"I go to BlackPOLL for my holidays,"-- ILM Artist Poll #17 -- The Kinks RESULTS THREAD

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lol at the eternal sunshine video for the way love used to be. man, that song is gorgeous, forgot about it for the poll. no one tell me it's about the welfare state!

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess I should listen to the entirety of Percy then eh

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

percy is great, i even dig the "filler" instrumentals.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also cf. "20th Century Man" - I think Ray is perhaps distrustful of modern technological society, though I wouldn't equate that with conservative politics.

The technology part, no. This part, yeah, pretty much:

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy, got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

their -- both ray and dave -- tonedeafness about women is also not particularly agl (love me til the sun shines, for another example in addition to juke box music)
but whatever -- i have managed to not care about that much because i like the songs a lot

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Little Miss Queen of Darkness is a notable exception though.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's funny, fucked as those lines are, they're the most beautiful part of that song for me. In the 80s, though, they had an annoying habit of not playing huge parts of their older songs: they'd play "20th Century Man" without that bridge, and "Sleepwalker" was three verses and out, no bridge, no breakdown.

xp

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

37. "Dedicated Follower of Fashion"
Non-LP Single/The Kinks' Greatest Hits, 1966
137 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/KXaO3zgaf5Q
Live on TV in '73: http://youtu.be/xXpkt6revK0

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ray's first wife Raisa was Jewish iirc. I referred to that line in "When I Turn Off the Living Room Light" on the nominations thread cuz I've had arguments with another Jew about whether or not it's antisemitic (I am firmly in the NOT camp)

Was she? Not sure about that. Lithuanian certainly. What about Ray's comedy Jewish accent (obv. a dig at Larry Page) on "Top of the Pops" - "And now you can make some rrrreal money"

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps

Not defending RD's entire worldview, but I'm not sure complaints about the dour, prying bureaucracy of the welfare state are entirely off the mark. (And were a staple of '60s New Leftism anyway.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I may be reading those lines through a present-day lens.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

never been that nuts about dedicated follower actually!
off topic a bit but has anyone ever read this book? it was my favorite as a kid, and reading it now to my daughter it strikes me as the children's book ray davies never wrote.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love "Dedicated..." (second of my votes to place so far, I believe)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

36. "Party Line"
Face To Face, 1966
143 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/2pSbUEdTyW8
Independence Hall cover (H-Town Represent Again!): http://youtu.be/nDsorr3IxBU

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I missed this entire poll!!!! Never liked "Party Line".

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of my faves that didn't quite fit in my 20. nice to see it here. i love the damn melody and energy on this one

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not defending RD's entire worldview, but I'm not sure complaints about the dour, prying bureaucracy of the welfare state are entirely off the mark. (And were a staple of '60s New Leftism anyway.)

OTM. I think it's possible to be distrustful of government without being a conservative - cf the many varieties of anarchism.

o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was going to mention that RDD was a sorta Tory Anarchist upthread

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

35. "Death of A Clown"
Dave Davies Solo Single/Something Else by The Kinks, 1967
154 Points (8 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/nvYiUydIDAs
To The Bone version: http://youtu.be/ZVN0vw6UsOU

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good song.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Party Line is a metaphor for the spread of communism

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Communist Party Line

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

34. "Fancy"
Face To Face, 1966
161 Points (9 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/k_meqar1M3c
Live '69: http://youtu.be/_EQ8x_-b8IE

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

They played this live?! (rushes to grab headphones)

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aaaaaaaaalwaaaaaaaays

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Blimey that looks a bit fascist rally! (xxp)

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much plaid for fascists imo
(now someone will post an image of fascists in uniform plaid won't they?)

rob, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

33. "People Take Pictures of Each Other"
The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society, 1968
168 Points (9 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/sqGOOmR0krY

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bit Fiddler on the Roof that track. This is a good thing imo.

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Live version of "Fancy" is pretty cool. Would've been interesting to hear the Kinks develop more along those lines, but their pit orchestra days put an end to that.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

tyler I read the Giant Jam Sandwich a ton as a kid, awesome book

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

32. "Too Much On My Mind"
Face To Face, 1966
172 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/aOSe53DzLP4

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was she? Not sure about that. Lithuanian certainly

over the course of arguing about that song previously I remember finding a newsclipping of Ray and Rasa's wedding that noted that she was Jewish. can't seem to find it now tho :(

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

31. "Better Things"
Give The People What They Want, 1981
182 Points (8 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/cXioctDPGn0
Bouncing Souls cover: http://youtu.be/MjIU0fw0i3s

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is why I was arguing for fewer voters, surely a hardcore fan voterbase would have that top 15

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

We had a party line when I was a kid so the song brings up good memories. It was always weird to pick up the phone and here your neighbors talking. Whenever my mom need to call anyone she would put me on the line so I could be all cute and say, "I wanna call my Nana." Nobody wants to disappoint a pre-schooler so they'd wrap up their conversation.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I consider myself a pretty hardcore Kinks fan and didn't vote for anything post-1972 except for Come Dancing.

so nyah

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

which song you talking about iatee?

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

it seems p obv to me that that is one of the best songs ray davies has ever written

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

better things!

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really? I always thought it was a bit shit. Good lyrics, crap melody and music.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp
if it makes you feel better iatee, I abstained in order not to simply reinforce the F2F-Muswell canon (the only era I know)

rob, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i had better things on my ballot originally, but it got the boot! it's a good late-period tune, but not top 20 for me.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

30. "This Is Where I Belong"
Non-LP Single, 1967/The Kink Kronikles, 1972
190 Points (8 Votes, 1 #1)

The Track: http://youtu.be/0woPvO8qAgs

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Same here. I like it, but I think it seems better than it is after trudging through the crapulence of Give The People What They Want.

xp

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, now it's my turn (re: where i belong): surely a hardcore fan voterbase would have that top 15

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

crap melody and music

Really? Better Things has always struck me as one of Ray's most melodic melodies.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

"This Is Where I Belong" is my #1

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

But wait, now that I think about it, Better Things sounds a lot like a Pretenders-style song. I could totally hear Chrissie Hynde singing it...which may be why EZ hates it.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

This Is Where I Belong came really close to making my ballot. Hurt deep to cut it.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink


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