"I go to BlackPOLL for my holidays,"-- ILM Artist Poll #17 -- The Kinks RESULTS THREAD

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wait why is god's children anti-welfare state

― iatee, Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:01 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the whole "they have no right to turn us into machines" echoes a common right-wing criticism of "left-wing social engineering"--also consistent with POV in a lot of other davies songs, no?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

that line can be taken different ways tho - turning people into machines is also common language of socialist critiques of capitalism

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

the whole "they have no right to turn us into machines" echoes a common right-wing criticism of "left-wing social engineering"--also consistent with POV in a lot of other davies songs, no?

it was a soundtrack for this:

Percy (1971) is a British comedy film directed by Ralph Thomas starring Hywel Bennett, Denholm Elliott, Elke Sommer and Britt Ekland.

Edwin (Bennett), an innocent and shy young man, is hit by a nude man falling from a high-rise building while carrying a chandelier. Edwin's penis is mutilated in the accident and has to be amputated; the falling man is killed.

Edwin becomes the recipient of the world's first penis transplant: he receives the very large, uncircumcised penis of the womanizer killed in the same accident. With his new bit of anatomy (which he names "Percy"), Edwin follows the womanizer's footsteps, meeting all his women friends, before settling happily with the donor's mistreated widow.

The film is based on a novel of the same name by Raymond Hitchcock (father of musician Robyn Hitchcock), and is today remembered for its soundtrack by The Kinks. It was followed by a 1974 sequel, Percy's Progress.

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

wtf at Hitchcock connection

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's your point?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

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flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

'turn us into machines' = 'penis transplant'

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink


looks hilarious?

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's what I thought the song was about at first, honestly. I knew it was from that movie, and I knew the plot of the movie.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe. i guess i'd have to see the movie? which i kind of... don't want to do.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also cf. "20th Century Man" - I think Ray is perhaps distrustful of modern technological society, though I wouldn't equate that with conservative politics.

o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

At the time I first heard it, I had a friend who also was making this movie, so there must have been something in the air

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

You are not required to actually watch that trailer btw, I think the title says it all. But it was pretty funny iirc.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I keep thinking about "Uncle Son" (re: Ray's politics):

Liberals dream of equal rights,
Conservatives live in a world gone by,
Socialists preach of a promised land,
But old uncle son, was an ordinary man.

Bless you uncle son,
They won't forget you, when the revolution comes.

Unionists tell you when to strike,
Generals tell you when to fight,
Preachers tell you wrong from right,
They'll feed you when you're born,
And use you all your life.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

deeply cynical all the way around

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp I think "o_O" is the most accurate description of RD's politics.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

the idea of there being an "ordinary man" who is somehow completely outside politics is kind of o_O itself. it's a really condescending conceit, like he imagines his "ordinary man" to be some kind of naïf.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha but the thing is ray davies is kinda a good example of an 'ordinary man who is somehow completely outside politics' who basically is some kind of naif w/ this stuff

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

heckuva songwriter, though, right?

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's weird that the first two kinks albums (and contemporaneous singles etc) are full of these optimistic songs (something better beginning, wait til the summer comes along, etc.) and then with "where have all the good times gone" there's this shift to rueful nostalgia that never goes away and just becomes deeper and more cynical.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha but the thing is ray davies is kinda a good example of an 'ordinary man who is somehow completely outside politics' who basically is some kind of naif w/ this stuff

― iatee, Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's not true, really. he's just embodied a lot of contradictions and swung back and forth. he

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

heckuva songwriter, though, right?

― tylerw, Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's not true, really. he's just embodied a lot of contradictions and swung back and forth

that's like the epitome of your average 'not that political' person when politics comes up!

iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like that on village green much of the nostalgia is more of an existential variety: we get old, we are forgotten and forget, it's sad. i wonder if that's why this is their most appealing album to a lot of folks? the sentiments seem relatively benign and universal? well, that, and the awesome songs.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds about right. the "village" can stand in for a child's view of the world just as easily as a real place.

rob, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of Nostalgia and Penis Transplants...

39. "The Way Love Used To Be"
Percy OST, 1971
129 Points (6 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/xuGsXGPtBVQ
Pain Teens cover (Houston Represent!): http://youtu.be/ELlKJDOX0b0

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorry for the extra youtube but a really condescending conceit, like he imagines his "ordinary man" to be some kind of naïf.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

38. "20th Century Man"
Muswell Hillbillies, 1971
131 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/mrmQB38aT5U
"One From The Road" version: http://youtu.be/Z-usL5eBrdg
Ray solo on "Austin City Limits": http://youtu.be/XD14kdgQEe8

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm. again, these are largely awesome songs (to one degree or another) but there's definitely a way that davies's admirable empathy for the "common man" can bleed over into condescension.

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haha eerily appropriate!

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol at the eternal sunshine video for the way love used to be. man, that song is gorgeous, forgot about it for the poll. no one tell me it's about the welfare state!

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess I should listen to the entirety of Percy then eh

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

percy is great, i even dig the "filler" instrumentals.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also cf. "20th Century Man" - I think Ray is perhaps distrustful of modern technological society, though I wouldn't equate that with conservative politics.

The technology part, no. This part, yeah, pretty much:

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy, got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

their -- both ray and dave -- tonedeafness about women is also not particularly agl (love me til the sun shines, for another example in addition to juke box music)
but whatever -- i have managed to not care about that much because i like the songs a lot

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Little Miss Queen of Darkness is a notable exception though.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's funny, fucked as those lines are, they're the most beautiful part of that song for me. In the 80s, though, they had an annoying habit of not playing huge parts of their older songs: they'd play "20th Century Man" without that bridge, and "Sleepwalker" was three verses and out, no bridge, no breakdown.

xp

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

37. "Dedicated Follower of Fashion"
Non-LP Single/The Kinks' Greatest Hits, 1966
137 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/KXaO3zgaf5Q
Live on TV in '73: http://youtu.be/xXpkt6revK0

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ray's first wife Raisa was Jewish iirc. I referred to that line in "When I Turn Off the Living Room Light" on the nominations thread cuz I've had arguments with another Jew about whether or not it's antisemitic (I am firmly in the NOT camp)

Was she? Not sure about that. Lithuanian certainly. What about Ray's comedy Jewish accent (obv. a dig at Larry Page) on "Top of the Pops" - "And now you can make some rrrreal money"

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps

Not defending RD's entire worldview, but I'm not sure complaints about the dour, prying bureaucracy of the welfare state are entirely off the mark. (And were a staple of '60s New Leftism anyway.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I may be reading those lines through a present-day lens.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

never been that nuts about dedicated follower actually!
off topic a bit but has anyone ever read this book? it was my favorite as a kid, and reading it now to my daughter it strikes me as the children's book ray davies never wrote.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love "Dedicated..." (second of my votes to place so far, I believe)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

36. "Party Line"
Face To Face, 1966
143 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/2pSbUEdTyW8
Independence Hall cover (H-Town Represent Again!): http://youtu.be/nDsorr3IxBU

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I missed this entire poll!!!! Never liked "Party Line".

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of my faves that didn't quite fit in my 20. nice to see it here. i love the damn melody and energy on this one

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not defending RD's entire worldview, but I'm not sure complaints about the dour, prying bureaucracy of the welfare state are entirely off the mark. (And were a staple of '60s New Leftism anyway.)

OTM. I think it's possible to be distrustful of government without being a conservative - cf the many varieties of anarchism.

o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was going to mention that RDD was a sorta Tory Anarchist upthread

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

35. "Death of A Clown"
Dave Davies Solo Single/Something Else by The Kinks, 1967
154 Points (8 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/nvYiUydIDAs
To The Bone version: http://youtu.be/ZVN0vw6UsOU

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good song.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink


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