Best Current DJ

Sonny D. Moore

there is a certain context in which the genre names vying against each other is just like the disintegration of discussion.

which i'm prob way too circumspect about, but still

is it brostep?

i've got not problem with post-isms but what's an example of post-minimal out of curiosity

soundstream, efdemin, etc

pantha du prince, steffi, art dept, etc

Basically any deep house-ish stuff made by people who would have been making minimal back in 2005/2006.

In typical fashion it now seems that post-minimal's moment has stretched a fair amount longer than that of minimal itself.

tim seems to grok

what people call post-minimal prob existed before or certainly during minimal. here we go...

Sure, but what people call post-dubstep also existed before or certainly during dubstep - if you take any "post-" genre this is basically the case.

One can nitpick these things and act SHOCKED that not all music lines up into a neat chronological series of genre developments, but... do we really have to go through that moment of revelation in 2012?

Surgeon, Donato Dozzy, 2562/A Made Up Sound, Intergalactic Gary... So many other great DJs not on this poll.

Dan Bell would be my choice out of those listed.

i'm not really nitpicking, more that i just have a problem with this idea of minimal as some distinct thing, it never was until it became a derogatory term and everyone at that point just meant m_nus. all this has been hashed out before though.

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This is when I first started to think of "minimal" as a thing:

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-150-522798-1128092859.jpeg

Loco Dice was probably also the first "star of minimal" in the sense of having zero rep beforehand and basically having his colours tied to the mast, as it were.

Also that's a pretty great mix though not as good as Andre Galuzzi's similar Berghain 01.

ben UFO though is doing something that a lot of people have assumed for a long time to be impossible ("serious" techno/house w/ heavily swung urban stuff like ukg, post-dubstep, dubstep, grime, etc) AND doing it 100% w/ vinyl AND doing it w/ tons of energy and excitement and dj tricks and whatnot

ty for posting this the day before Ben UFO plays here

Aren't all Loco Dice tracks ghost written by Martiin? Either way I can't stand that sound.

Er, Martin Buttrich.

I was referring to the DJ mix not his tracks (though there were a couple of great Loco Dice tracks).

OK, but I can't stand the whole "sunglasses" sound to be honest. Around 2005/2006 was the first time I realised some minimal house was getting very different from the stuff I was digging.

yeah it became about how you looked rather than what the music was. eg if you wore sunglasses you were obviously a moron incapable of liking good music.

Loco Dice put out 2 12"s around 2005/2006 on Ovum which were pretty classic. Would be prob filed under deep house currently. Both Buttrich productions. Having seen him play a few times I'd say he pretty competent but no surprises. Tim F is right he really was a star of 'minimal' which he achieved by doing both the Ibiza DC10 thing, the Germany/Berlin thing and linking up with big labels of the time; Cadenza and M_nus. He wore sunglasses a lot at had the right 'look', i.e. not a pasty looking european.

i've heard of about 3 of these...

some really unfamiliar names there. vera heindel (is this the dj known as vera?), binh, praslea, alexandra, tulbure, kozo, sonja moonear, laetitia katapult, priku, juniper.

I voted for prosumer. He's not the best technically but damn he's a great digger. Also feel that they should've been nominated: nina kraviz, todd terje, john osborn, prins thomas, serge, steffi, tama sumo.

vera heindel is that vera...binh is resident at club der visionaere

prob put a few too many of the romanians in
i forgot prins thomas (and move d), both should have been in
steffi was nominated (tho her recent sets not been that great)

I admit I've only seen Steffi in Youtube clips though, haha. She looks so cool and charismatic. Selections are ace, too.

didn't really want to do this thread based too much on having actually seen play out as its not up to me how a person makes a choice if people want to base it on mix podcasts or whatever thats totally fine....but on the other hand...

i dont vote in polls because they're kind of dumb but if i did, based on recent sets would prob go for either zip or any of the rpr soundsystem

why is zip underrated? clips of him blew me away.

Zip is like a DJs DJ. He's very very good but not in the premier league of crowd pulling DJs. He hasn't got the profile of Jamie Jones, Seth Troxler, Ricardo etc.. He doesn't exactly have a busy release schedule of his own music either which DJs do to get up the ladder.

recommend me a good zip mix

lol i dunno any good zip mixes online like with most of these its more from hearing them out

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out of these going to go with ricardo, had too many best nights ever seeing him. one time around 2003/4 he played mint club in leeds and the night went from people not really getting (into) it to applauding every new track. when the lights came on everyone was gushing over what they'd just heard and it was 7 in the morning and even though the drugs were wearing off the buzz from everyone around was enough to ward off a comedown. t'was a good night out dancing and i'm guessing ricardo made his name by doing nights like that and converting a room full of people to his sound

surgeon has been on fire recently, but that style of techno doesn't seem to get covered much on ILM. also ha, glad other people on ILM like intergalactic gary :D

i'd have a real tough time telling mixes by a lot of these people apart but out of that list i wouldn't mind popping out to see any of the following play

Daniel Bell
Zip
Ben ufo
Theo Parrish
Ben Klock
Prosumer
Ricardo Villalobos
Marcel Dettmann
Lawrence
Ron Trent
Anton Zap
Jus-ed
Kerri Chandler

predictably ILMish cuz i guess that's where i heard about most of them in the first place

the night went from people not really getting (into) it to applauding every new track
drugs

any correlation?

haha weird list. voted dettmann

Exclusion of both Dozzy and Move D a bit of a clanger so I'll go with the lovely Steffi.

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ben ufo was robbed

maybe i don't listen to enough uk bass/whatever music to hear it, but what's so good about this ben ufo fella? saw him at corsica a few months ago, and eh, it was alright, nothing magical, just sounded like rinse usually sounds. i guess i'm not really a fan of that quick cut pre-programmed dj-ing style, it's a bit too invasive add for my tastes

theo is a treat, long long sets, super loud, loads of unreleased edits, shoddy mixing, heavy heavy heavy, full of surprises, he played some chris and cosey one time when i saw him!

the one time i saw theo parrish he was EQ'ing everything in this really exaggerated way that was totally stupid, it seemed like he was making fun of the people he was playing for. people wanted to get into it but it sounded like total shit. it was at some event with a bunch of different DJs and it kind of sucked, so he might've just been annoyed with the whole thing.

kinda surprised at theo winning - had partially wanted people to say when voting how many of these they'd seen play out in the last idk 2 years?

Seen 10 play out in the last 2 or 3 years. Only 3 of them more than once. Voted Cassy over Zip in the end.

i think seen 22 in that time frame - didn't vote though

Was there a reason for your abstention? Do you have any preferences over the 22?

never really got into listening to any of ufo, but now that i've looked around via this thread he's pretty great

maybe i don't listen to enough uk bass/whatever music to hear it, but what's so good about this ben ufo fella? saw him at corsica a few months ago, and eh, it was alright, nothing magical, just sounded like rinse usually sounds. i guess i'm not really a fan of that quick cut pre-programmed dj-ing style, it's a bit too invasive add for my tastes

i dunno, none of these insults about him + rinse really seem to apply here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qkXGWyteWA

also: villalobos, lol

Was there a reason for your abstention? Do you have any preferences over the 22?

― mmmm, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:23

i never vote in polls

you just make them and force these poor people to pick from your arbitrary list you twisted fuck

you know, i think the "you can only judge them if you've seen them live" thing is a canard

ime as much as there's sometimes something "special" about seeing a DJ live that you don't get from a recording, there's also a lot of subjective factors that can distract or interfere with your enjoyment - how the crowd is acting, whether you have a headache, how many drugs you took, etc.

is jeff mills a good DJ? yeah. i've heard a lot of jeff mills live sets that confirm that as well as videos and video streams from clubs and other settings. the one time i saw jeff mills i had an awful time. they gave him a 3 am slot, after a few hours of deeply underwhelming prog/electrohouse. the crowd was an odd mix of hollywood / santa monica douchebags & douchebitches as well as a big contingent of extremely cracked-out looking vietnamese and korean people in their late 30s and 40s. the sound was off, the space was uncomfortable and had a boomy room echo, many people were jostling to take cellphone photos, mills was pissed because the decks were a millimetre off from where he wanted them (and he had them replace all three needles as well as his headphones) and trying to dance while sober to his music after three hours of dancing to west coast tribal deep house in a different room was punishing, to say the least