"I go to BlackPOLL for my holidays,"-- ILM Artist Poll #17 -- The Kinks RESULTS THREAD

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40. "Stop Your Sobbing"
The Kinks, 1964
126 Points (7 Votes)

The Track: http://youtu.be/GZQUKN5G9xk
The Pretenders' cover: http://youtu.be/5zzlROBMTlo

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And that's it for now. MUST...EAT

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Let me guess...you'll have some clam chowder, followed by beef steak on rye, pumpkin pie, whipped cream and coffee?

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stop Your Sobbing and I Go to Sleep both done far better by Pretenders than by The Kinks.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno the latter but def agree about the former

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Pretenders have never made anything better.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I Go to Sleep (Kinks): http://youtu.be/n6gMS7aiMLk
I Go to Sleep (Pretenders): http://youtu.be/6yoR7fg2pE0

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Pretenders have never made anything better.

They made those Kinks tracks better. As for their cover of "Thin Line Between Love and Hate", er, I'd agree with you.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have a visceral loathing of Chrissie Hynde. Her voice is one of those nails on a chalkboard things for me.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

god's children is not a great sentiment but boy what a song.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've got to catch up some..."Where Have All the Good Times Gone" was my #1. I once tried to talk a grade 8 teacher into using it as the grad slide-show music for our school, but they stuck with the corny "Forever Young."

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

God's Children does kind of make me sick because I don't really believe in He/Him or God, but it was my #1 because the song itself, and the melody, are just TOO MUCH for my brain to handle. It makes me feel a love for all of humanity, even the part I can't seem to reach, and that makes me happy. Magic.

So hooray for that.

Also Chrissie Hynde is my hometown sister, back off homies!

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kinks didn't even do a version of "I Go to Sleep," right? Just a Ray demo? That's quite a song.

timellison, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's really just an early demo of Ray's. But it's been appended to some Kinks reissues.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

never heard that pretenders version, pretty nice. love the kinks/ray version though, i voted for it!

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow 6 out of 11 so far are on my ballot.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Thursday, 19 April 2012 03:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seek out the Peggy Lee cover of "I go to sleep", I reckon it 'informed' the Pretenders' version

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

You all know that the Davies' sister died at a local dance when Ray was 13, right?

I had no idea! this does sorta change the tone of the song

― iatee, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:41 (Yesterday) Permalink

I knew about this, and it does add a certain weight to the song, but even with that in mind it still remains one of my least favourites.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 19 April 2012 07:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

EZ otm about Apeman/calypso voice. The Lola LP is such a mixed bag.

― rob, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ray's 'calypso voice' is definitely one of my least favourites of his vocal styles, but I couldn't agree about 'Lola Vs Powerman...' being a mixed bag at all. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that if there's one Kinks albums I'd take to the 'desert island' with me, that one would be it!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 19 April 2012 07:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

*album, even.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 19 April 2012 07:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

So far, only one of my tracks has polled; 'Rosie Won't You Please Come Home', which was my #11. Like 'Come Dancing', this is yet another song inspired by Ray's family, specifically his sister who moved out to Australia. Definitely one of my favourites from the Face To Face album; it's a beautiful song, so full of feeling. I can also relate to it, because I also have a sister who moved out of England to live in Australia!

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 19 April 2012 07:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The best version of "I Go to Sleep" -- and (I think) the first one released: youtu.be/bHIwBObW21M

Three Word Username, Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

never really listened to God's Children until yesterday and was really struck by how the appeal of the "don't tell me what to do!" sentiment is immediately undercut by a very unappealing conservatism

― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hence Ray Davies's career in miniature.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, God's Children is disgusting. I knew Davies is insane but he's usually more subtle.

gospodin simmel, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

like on Two Sisters, which is disturbing but beautiful

gospodin simmel, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen Percy in years but isn't the song meant to be in character? Pretty sure it stems from the movie rather than RD's own beliefs.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Then again, I can quite believe that Ray Davies was only looking for a "Quiet Life"..

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp but he is a conservative, no?

gospodin simmel, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, God's Children is a character song and not -- it's a moving target, which is part of why i love it. If I'd gotten my ballot in, there'd be two number one votes for it.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

He's socially conservative (in the UK rather than US sense) but I've never considered him especially religious. This is very different from his 70s lyrics, which tend to resemble letters to the Daily Telegraph set to music. The boxset that came out a few years ago was increasingly dispiriting listening.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, it's certainly a character song but I find Davies's irony and misanthropy a lot harder to take than Newman's or Fagen's. I always feel like he REALLY is a prick (not to say that Newman and Fagen are not but it's a different kind)

maybe I'm just talking shit

gospodin simmel, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

A special moment of praise is in order for Bruce Springsteen stemming the tide of zillionaire groupie-groped rock stars complaining about their taxes.

bendy, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of the Boss, check out this awkward interview with Bruce and Ray for the Kinks tribute album a couple years back. I don't think the Boss realizes that it was Ray's estranged brother who came up with the riff.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp but he is a conservative, no?

from a 2008 Rolling Stone article:

Another reason I wanted to move to New Orleans was to escape Tony Blair. I'm a socialist, and Labor is not socialist anymore. The working man is still downtrodden and unheard. And now they're vanishing. Blair came in and it became uncool to be working class. ...when you forget your origins -- that's bad. That's why I don't fit into this culture anymore. I take the side of the underdog.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's interesting. No way was he a socialist in the 60s and 70s, grumbling about taxes and trade unions and low-cost housing schemes. I alwyas thought that part of Davies's "I'm not like anybody else" deal was the refusal to sign up to any political platform. I interviewed him once and asked about his politics and he said they were ever-changing and impossible to define so to see him baldly define himself as a socialist is unexpected.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Judging by "Preservation" especially, RD Davies' political thinking was a bit confused in the 70s... or, better still, RD Davies' political thinking was a bit confused in the 70s

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

But, yeah, obviously a small 'c' conservative - not that unusual for someone from his background

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lots of people were confused in the 70s! That's part of what made it such a marvelous time.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

The character Ray obv. most identifies with in "Preservation" is the Tramp, which is a bit of a cop out really

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Crossposted from one of the Sandinista! threads --

Last week while I was thinking about my Kinks ballot, I started hearing "Washington Bullets" in my head set to the music of "Come Dancing." Can't get it out...need a new earworm.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ray Davies has a classic case of the Morrisseys: is it possible to mourn the passing of a certain England without sounding a bit racist? Answer: no.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

being American, all Kinks songs sound like they're sung in a funny accent to me lol

I pretty much agree with this. I guess I can hear a bit of calypso in the "Apeman" voice if I listen hard, but it doesn't bother me and anyway Ray's voice is always pretty unmistakably his own - he's not exactly Meryl Streep with the accents. If I didn't like British people putting on silly accents that would eliminate a lot of good music, from Exile on Main Street to Lily Allen.

o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

holy shit @ that socialism quote. who'd have thought?

Kinks were ruined for me in 93 at Glastonbury; still by some distance the worst concert by a major act i've ever seen in my life. makes me queasy just to think of it.
hopefully this thread can bring me back round cause i really did love the hits as a kid.

props for that Quiet Life clip Mark G; best bit of the film.

piscesx, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ray Davies has a classic case of the Morrisseys

I have to admit that I am not attuned to that pov at all. I get it, but from a very remote and unemotional place. A lot of my exposure to this band has been radio - library - store where i worked - walking to work my first year in Chicago and the songs just have personal reminders to me in them, but not like LOADED WITH XXXTRA RACISM or aaaaanything like that.

Honestly, I have always just heard The Kinks music and that's it. I have liked them since I was a kid even when I couldn't figure out how all of these weird songs were all by the same band.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think too hard about it either until ploughing through the 70s material on the boxset and discovering the (understandably excluded) Black Messiah. It's not a massive issue, but it does slightly change the tone of Village Green and Arthur when you know where this nostalgia was leading. Doesn't he also do a Shylock voice on the Lola album? There's definitely a weird line about Jews on When I Turn Off the Living Room Light as well, which he defends on his 2005 Livejournal (http://ray-davies.livejournal.com/):

Okay, a few of my managers and business associates in the 60s were overbearing cockney Jews. Believe me, growing up in Muswell Hill - I knew the type. I come from the Bagel Belt after all. Because a few people who screwed me over in life were Jewish and I like to make fun of them, does not make me a Nazi.

None of which means I don't love the Kinks, just that I'm fascinated by the weirdness of his politics and his tin ear for causing offence (cf the Apeman voice).

xp It blows my mind that the Kinks didn't split until 1996. The artist Jeremy Deller says that one of their 90s gigs is the only show he wishes he could wipe from his memory because it was so upsettingly bad.

And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

By 1996, it was just Dave and Ray anyway, wasn't it? I mean they had some hired hands who may have been around for a little or a long time, but The Kinks ceased to be "The Kinks" a long long long time before 1996.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ray's first wife Raisa was Jewish iirc. I referred to that line in "When I Turn Off the Living Room Light" on the nominations thread cuz I've had arguments with another Jew about whether or not it's antisemitic (I am firmly in the NOT camp)

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

his tin ear for causing offence (cf the Apeman voice)

I don't see why the Apeman voice is offensive - the song is pretty clearly not mocking islanders or whatever - it's clearly sung from the perspective of a liberal, middle-class educated person.

o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The one Kinks show I saw, in 1993, was great. I felt bad for Dave, though; during his solo spot in the middle of the show (whatever his song on Phobia was), the aisles were filled with people rushing off to the bathrooms. The only seriously questionable moment was the extended set-piece of "Aggravation," with a couple of dancers and some pre-taped Ray commentary ("it was 50 years ago this year...that the aggravation started" or something).

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink


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