THE VAULT OF ILX Top 100 HORROR Movies Poll Voting Thread (voting closes May 9)

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was decided early in the nom process that horror film does not necessarily equal scary film

What does "horror film" mean, then? Any movie with a supernatural element? Is that why movies likes like The Isle or Stalker, which have absolutely no scary scenes at all, are on the list?

Tuomas, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

...except that The Isle doesn't have supernatural elements either.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a movie where the primary conflict is resolved through gory setpieces

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

or devil babies

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

also creepy music

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Glad Paperhouse is on the list. Another sort of unconventional horror movie, but really unnerving. I first saw it with about a dozen friends in college at my girlfriend's apartment, and I remember a few scenes where everybody in the room jumped at once.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, is testament the 1983 film about nuclear war?!? i guess that it must be, since threads is also on the list.

onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Testament is possibly the scariest movie I've ever seen

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea why Stalker was nominated either, unless it was a different one than the Tarkovsky movie. Or maybe the final shot (SPOILER ALERT?) tipped someone off into Carrie territory?

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is gonna be tough. watched Fulci's "The Beyond" as, uh, "research" for this thread last night. pretty silly. plotless gore! loads of great setpieces tho. and the painting motif was a good touch.

― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 16, 2012 12:51 PM (46 minutes ago)

the beyond is kind of like suspiria's slow brother, it tries to leap over yr aesthetic concerns by going for a similar pervasive atmosphere of terror, which translates to an almost poetic surrealism in some scenes, and a final sequence that is truly haunting. but it is a deeply stupid movie.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love The Isle by Kim Ki-Duk, but who the hell thinks it's a horror movie?

i nominated the isle because it's suspenseful, grisly, disturbing and it maintains an atmosphere of dread. a lot of contemporary "horror" focuses more on ordeal than scariness. nominated ming-liang tsai's the wayward cloud at the same time for similar reasons, though that one's got more genuinely unnerving scenes (e.g., the porn basement). mostly just wanted to throw in some outliers.

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a movie where the primary conflict is resolved through gory setpieces

If that's enough to make a horror movie, then why didn't anyone nominate Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

Tuomas, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp Its going to place for me on the final scene alone. Also my inherent weakness for foamy, pink blood.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: The Beyond - it's funny how the plot is so non-existent, characters are established but then they do things and go places for no apparent reason, there's no discernible logic to the sequence of events etc

xp

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

edward III otm re: the beyond. i nominated it for its reputation, gore and atmosphere, and for its terrific conclusion, not cuz it's a conventionally good movie.

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was a joke Tuomas

xp

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny how the plot is so non-existent, characters are established but then they do things and go places for no apparent reason, there's no discernible logic to the sequence of events etc

this is actually a good description of a lot of horror movies from the 1980s onwards ...

onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Beyond might be the only Fulci film from that era I love, much less like.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

(xx-post)

To me the Isle just felt melancholy and beautiful, I can't remember any suspense in it. Sure, there's that one icky scene, but if something is horror because of an icky scene, regardless of the context, that sounds like a way too technical definition to me.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting that The Sixth Sense wasn't nominated. I guess it it technically more of a thriller or whatev, though there is enough spooky haunted house stuff, zombie-ghosts and what not, to qualify it imo. Personally, I do like it, but I prob wouldn't have voted for it in this. That's valuable real estate!

yeah, that does seem like a pretty surprising oversight. i'd meant to nominate it, but forgot. it's certainly not that i wouldn't be willing to rep for it. i love that movie.

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Beyond might be the only Fulci film from that era I love, much less like.

yeah, that was the other reason i nominated. i felt that fulci deserved representation on this list, and the beyond is the only film of his that i've ever really enjoyed.

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

The City of the Living Dead is awkward. Zombie is lugubriously paced and then there's a shark vs. zombie battle that's awesome in concept but *yawn* in execution. New York Ripper is grimy without being truly disturbing like Maniac.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh come on contenderizer, Zombie is plenty entertaining. a zombie punches a shark! underwater!

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol xp to Eric

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

only saw the sixth sense once in the theaters and I have to give it props as a well-done horror film, I think most of the resistance to it is actually horror at what shamalama did afterwards

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's a few grindhouse nasties I forgot to nominate but probably that's for the best. Goodbye Uncle Tom is definitely some *kind* of horror movie, but maybe not this kind.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny how the plot is so non-existent, characters are established but then they do things and go places for no apparent reason, there's no discernible logic to the sequence of events etc

every italian horror film

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Grim Reaper with Tisa Farrow probably should've been at least given a mention tho.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am simultaneously cursing and thanking you for cutting off the nom process eric

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Paperhouse! I totally need to rewatch that. I remember renting it from my local video shop as a kid and thinking I was all smart and fancy b/c a blurb on the box advertised it as 'the thinking person's Nightmare on Elm Street.' I don't remember much about it at all, save for that it creeped me out sufficiently, despite there not actually being some intellectually sophisticated version of Freddy (lol which I guess is what said blurb made me envision back then).

picture jean rollin (Pillbox), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I consider something horror if some supernatural element or unexplained phenomenon is intrinsic to the plot, or the movie was designed to invoke a sense of horror (even if it doesn't). The only controversial nomination I made was Fire Walk With Me, but I stan for that as a horror movie because it is full of supernatural/unexplained things, it succeeds in evoking horror, and also it scares the bejeepers out of me.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny how the plot is so non-existent, characters are established but then they do things and go places for no apparent reason, there's no discernible logic to the sequence of events etc

every italian horror film

― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, April 16, 2012 5:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes! I kept trying to reply with "That's so Fulci!" but I was getting xposted into oblivion.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know I know, it just seemed especially pronounced in this case. I kept laughing every time someone went down under the house by themselves just to, y'know, wander around.

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea why Stalker was nominated either, unless it was a different one than the Tarkovsky movie. Or maybe the final shot (SPOILER ALERT?) tipped someone off into Carrie territory?

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, April 16, 2012 1:46 PM (9 minutes ago)

this was a carry over from darin's yearly horror polls, which were awesome and comprehensive but sometimes too broad in their inclusions. pretty sure I bitched about the stalker nom at the time.

see also: equus. one of my fave films but in no way a horror movie. unless you're a horse.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, is testament the 1983 film about nuclear war?!?

Yup.

Testament is possibly the scariest movie I've ever seen

And yup. It's going to be very high on my ballot. I'm gonna limit my hardcore nominee stumping to Testament and Possession. If at least some of y'all made a point of seeing those two before voting, I'd be over the moon.

Harried Ice Craw (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't decide if the fact that I can't bring myself to watch it as an adult means I should include it or not.

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I meant to make this point on the horror thread, but I think if a future sci-fi poll is a "sci-fi and fantasy" poll, that will allow for some glaring misses to be rectified (e.g. king kong, godzilla).

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

*horror nom thread*

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, as weird as The Beyond is, the House by the Cemetery is completely incomprehensible. But should have placed in the comedy poll for the Little Bob's voice dub acting.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, still finding movies missing from the nom list that have a shot on the lower echelons of my ballot *sniff*

burnt offerings (1976)

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Zombie is lugubriously paced and then there's a shark vs. zombie battle that's awesome in concept but *yawn* in execution.

Is Zombie the one where the girl has her eyeball impaled on a jutting wooden splinter in super slow-motion, or was that COTLD? Either way, that is one most harrowing death scenes ever iirc.

picture jean rollin (Pillbox), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't decide if the fact that I can't bring myself to watch it as an adult means I should include it or not.

I will tell you this: I found it just as horrifying and devastating as an adult as I did when I saw it as a kid. Feel free to take that as a recommendation or a dissuasive argument.

Harried Ice Craw (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I were going to vote in this*, I'd put Testament at #1 and fill the rest of the ballot out with 19 films I didn't think would get any votes.

(*which I'm not; I don't like horror films and haven't seen many)

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

What does "horror film" mean, then? Any movie with a supernatural element? Is that why movies likes like The Isle or Stalker, which have absolutely no scary scenes at all, are on the list?

― Tuomas, Monday, April 16, 2012 1:40 PM (25 minutes ago)

any movie nominated which eric h allowed as "horror" is a horror film for purposes of this poll. thank you and have a nice day!

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend you to vote, then, WmC! Do it for Testament's sake!

Harried Ice Craw (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought Testament was a very powerful movie and all, but am a little weirded out at how many people are calling it one of their likely top vote-getters.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is Zombie the one where the girl has her eyeball impaled on a jutting wooden splinter in super slow-motion,

Yeah! It's great!

Zombi's the only Fulci film i rate that highly, although Lizard In A Woman's Skin is better from a technical perspective.

Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost In a horror movie poll.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

also as eric pointed out on the nom thread, "scary" is a terrible barometer for what is a horror film, since he's only ever been frightened by a handful of films

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe wikipedia can help

Horror films are a movie genre seeking to elicit a negative emotional reaction from viewers by playing on the audience's most primal fears. They often feature scenes that startle the viewer through the means of macabre and the supernatural, thus they may overlap with the fantasy and supernatural genre. Horrors frequently overlap with the thriller genre.[1]

Horror films deal with the viewer's nightmares, hidden worst fears, revulsions and terror of the unknown. Although a good deal of it is about the supernatural, if some films contain a plot about morbidity, serial killers, a disease/virus outbreak and surrealism, they may be termed "horror".[1]

Plots written within the horror genre often involve the intrusion of an evil force, event, or personage, commonly of supernatural origin, into the everyday world. Themes or elements often prevalent in typical horror films include ghosts, torture, gore, werewolves, ancient curses, satanism, demons, vicious animals, vampires, cannibals, haunted houses, zombies, sadism and serial killers. Conversely, stories of the supernatural are not necessarily always a horror movie as well.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Right now, I only have the first batch of 15 and I think pillbox was finalizing the next 15 last night.)

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Which, by the way, I think the images Pillbox has worked up are gorgeous. He's going to deserve the lions share of credit for the success of this poll.)

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

if pillbox doesn't wanna or can't redo the tiles, and that should really be the deciding factor here, then maybe just include a note where HJ's ballot would change the rankings?

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yup, I've emailed him and await his verdict.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

well this is a fine turn up for the books :) plus i'm off work thursday so that's a great day for the countdown to begin.

second only to popcorn (or something), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

who is this HalJam-come-lately?

If Eric is a list queen, you are all ladies-in-waiting.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I for one would like all spring/summer list projects to be announced by March next year, so I can decide whether to order MLB.com for the season.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

HalJam is Claudio Fragasso

He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

hal is a ravenous horror junkie and drive-by poster who dropped science in the post-2005 horror thread

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

and on the year-by year polls

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am a mere Eve Harrington to Mr. Hal Jam's Margo Channing.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, you can put that honor where your telltale heart should be.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

oooh, so close. i am Bruno Mattei. who is Morbo Channing? oh and ballot submitted. apologies to two directors who just didn't make the cut. you know who you are.

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, that was fast. took me like three weeks!

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I want to be sure to be around to complain abt pontypool when it places

I got yr back on this, don't worry

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

and i'll sink your battleship

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey guys - just fyi for those wondering abt my continuing progress on the screencap tiles & how it might be effected by the unexpected late-game Hal Jam factor, I'm happy to report that only some slight numerical rejiggering will be required & there will be no substantial revision otherwise - a small price to pay inho for the sagelike contributions and general presence of ilx's most elusive titan of horror standom!

In other words, it is still game-on in my corner. Let's do this thing!

Troll 3 (Pillbox), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am feeling antsy and impatient, but it isn't gonna kill me. Or at least, it might not. I dunno. I might have caught some sort of rage disease which will explode inside my head, splattering my brain across the entire poll.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

yay

xps

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

So are results rolling out tomorrow then?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also I will have to be out of the loop on Friday, but that is because I will be hanging out at the site of one if minnesotas most infamous murders so I will be here in spirit

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think all systems are likely go for a Wednesday launch imo.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Set your alarm for 5:00 a.m.: you must start it up sometime during the hour of the wolf.

clemenza, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Which, by the way, I think the images Pillbox has worked up are gorgeous. He's going to deserve the lions share of credit for the success of this poll.)

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

the procurement of thematically resonant and illustrative visual materials is something this poll, of all polls, deserves especially - i have simply tried to rise to the occasion, the process of which has been frankly a blast, if also rather exhausting. But make no mistake, Eric. I am but a bit player to your cackling ringleader in this Grand Guignol of delirium and atrocity!

Troll 3 (Pillbox), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 07:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think all systems are likely go for a Wednesday launch imo.

yay! hopefully during Vargtimmen too!!

Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 07:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just need to get on my feet at work and then I can begin.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

YESSSSS

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink


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