Celebrating Five Glorious Years of Heikki Kovalainen: Formula 1 in 2012

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he seemed genuinely chuffed for Rosberg all weekend.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 15 April 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm reading someone's ~think piece~ which argues that this isn't Mercedes' first win since 1955, but rather Tyrrell's 43rd win. Which technically is sorta true and ~makes u think~.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

ALSO CONTINUING ON FROM CRAIG POLLOCK'S "TRADITION OF EXCELLENCE"

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wild race!

Nice article on the technical reasons for the sudden reversal of fortune of Vettel and Webber.

I don't think a similar article can be written yet about Ferrari - Brundle mentioned at one point during Malaysia, the problem seems to be mystery performance issues that crop up between the wind tunnel/computer model/manufacturing/testing phases of building the car. So there's not much they can actually talk about in public and not much for people to find out, since they don't know themselves. That's my impression anyway ...

Big shock this race, happy for Rosberg. It was unreal seeing him in Vettel's place from last year. I agree about Schumacher's attitude (my guess is he talked to the gun guy who was suitably distraught) which was awesome. He can smell podium, and would not want to slag anyone on the team when he's that close. Also he is a total pro who actually does seem to care about people around him ... unless they get in his way. Well done Mercedes and Ross.

Disappointed for Kimi, once the tires died that was it. It was as if somebody had whacked the back of his head with a two-by-four as people passed him at will.

Love these crazy deviation-from-average-lap-time graphs.

Brakhage, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

so this is gonna be great: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I heard today on a podcast that Kimi's tires didn't fall off the cliff. He got off the racing line and picked up so many marbles he couldn't hold speed through the corners until he wore them off.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's what the Speed Channel commentators were saying.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

BBC guys were saying his tires were shot.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

suck on that, BEEB! USA! USA! USA!

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'd heard the marbles thing too. I should have taken a bit more time with that post - either way the tires prevented Kimi from doing well towards the end, I felt bad for him since I wanted him to do well ...

Independent is saying two Force India mechanics have left the country, evidently in reaction to what Gukbe linked to upthread. This whole thing is so awful.

Brakhage, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ecclestone comments are...predictable.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oooh Anonymous will bring down ... the F1 web site

Brakhage, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I get up early enough and actually use the F1 app for the iPad, it'll probably show purple when in fact they are the SLOWEST laps of the race.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh no where will I get FOM's press releases/fluffy copy now

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Friday, 20 April 2012 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

So I watched this despite my bleeding liberal heart. I have read that there might be a dead protester, which casts a pall. Force India's defense of missing P2 as a "strategy" seemed absurd and awful. I felt really bad when the footage showed some rich prince on top of a stand/building with a couch and an attractive woman at his side, then a bunch of white people in sunglasses sitting in the stands.

All that said, qualifying was pretty good! I can't remember seeing virtually every team using two sets of softs in qualifying. Apparently the sand on the track is ripping up the tyres and the optimum laps for softs is 3 and primes is 11 (though I seem to remember hyperbole like that on some tracks last year and they could stretch them longer in the actual race without a significant drop off).

I hope the race is good. Everyone seems to be locking up on turn 13 (I think that's the one) so that might help even it out. Even if Vettel gets away and makes it clear around the first corner, I imagine the tyre situation could keep it interesting and competitive. There was very little between Red Bull and McLaren.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

The haze and the lack of vegetation on the track is kind of unreal, the whole thing looks like CGI to me

Brakhage, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it's kind of pretty as a track. very unreal, though, yes.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm finally playing through F1 2011 for the Xbox btw and I can't believe how many tracks I hate. Shockingly I love the Hungarian one.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

So this is going ahead then.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I HATED HATED HATED the Hungaroring when playing Grand Prix 2 back in the day, sadly it's "not too bad" today compared to some other circuits (lol Valencia).

btw can we start a fund to bring back Istanbul Park and its 'Faux Rouge'.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Heppenheim Kid & The Ice Man are back.

I am getting a bit confused by these races tbqh.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Confused how? About what factors lead to success or failure in these races? Or just how close everybody is?

Beginning of 2011, Lotus looked fantastic - I remember at the start of China, they just blasted by everyone. By the end of 2011 you'd forgotten they were even on the track. I would love to read something on what the hell happened during 2011 for them, technically. They've sorted it out now, whatever that was.

Really rooting for Kimi with this one - like he said in interviews he really only had one chance to overtake and didn't make it.

Since you all have been mentioning the video game I looked it up - wow, that thing is amazing, it looks like a total blast. If it existed for Mac I'd be all over it (I think the online version of it is more like a manager thing rather than a racing thing?)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never played the online version, but i do love the Xbox version I've got, even if it frustrates the hell out of me sometimes.

I had just assumed re: Lotus 2011 that they weren't producing high-enough quality upgrades through the season and they just dropped off. Maybe it's also a symptom of the high speed emphasis that featured in this race? Even without the blown diffusers, Vettel's speed in the corner was way better and, for whatever reason, he could fly out of that first corner and rebuild his slight lead so Kimi was always left where he was going down that long straight again.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Checked and it looks like the racing in the online version is strictly viewed from overhead, no steering involved - so it looks like a 'football manager' kind of thing. I'd rather drive ...

What did you think of Rosberg shoving people off the track twice? That was crazy but Alonso slipstreaming to the pit entrance and breaking away was crazier (and I think he did that twice as well, the camera people didn't focus on the second time though)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen any news of a penalty on Rosberg, but if there isn't one I'd be surprised. Alonso seemed more upset that he Rosberg didn't leave him space to get around. But yah, his slipstream thing was nuts. I didn't see it the second time.

loled at Alonso v Hamilton reactions though. Alonso gripes and complains, Hamilton just passes him off track anyway (apparently this had happened in the GP2 as well?).

One thing I noticed playing through the game is that some of the newer tracks (India, especially) feature more solid run-off areas on the sides of the track compared with Spa or Monza, which seems to rely on gravel. In the game (and I am playing it on the Medium setting as I work it out) you can run off the track a bit in India and lose only a little bit of speed and time, but when you hit the gravel at Spa or Monza (especially with my set up on those tracks) you're basically fucked. So it was interesting to see the Bahrain off-track bit be solid enough to maintain speed and even overtake. I'd like to see how the stewards rule on it.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rosberg was cleared. Alonso's response:

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I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))

Three Word Username, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ahhhh hah ha that's excellent - I do feel for the guy though, that looked scary

The team radio stuff that ends up on air is determined by the teams though right? So Hamilton might have been bitching a blue streak and we'd never know.

Not really into installing bootcamp or whatever, though I'm sorely tempted. That game looks sooooo good.

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"“I can only say that if, instead of such a wide run-off area there had been a wall, I’m not sure I’d be here now to talk about it.” - Alonso

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really don't know what to think about it other than a. looked scary b. I don't understand the overtaking rules cos I'm a noob c. the stewards evidently don't think it's a big deal

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did they determine what was up with Hamilton's left rear tyre during the pit stops?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, Whitmarsh talked about it

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the defensive rules is you have one move, but after that move you have to give space. Alonso seems to be interpreting that to meant that after Rosberg more or less pushed him off the track and Alonso pulled back, Rosberg should have basically let him by, maybe. Rosberg's issue with Hamilton is that he didn't pull back - he just kept going off track and passed him. It felt dangerous to me, and I was reminded of that incident last year where, I think it was Schumacher, running Rubens almost into a wall by not allowing him to get by.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost re McLaren:
Evidently it's a recurring mechanical issue rather than gross pitstop stupidity, though I really don't get how after the first set of problems they couldn't replace everything on that side? Maybe a defect in all parts that were made

reviewing the Rosbergs, it doesn't look as if it's really his fault, Ham and Alonso just get stuck in and refuse to back off

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess not. It does seem like a very aggressive defensive move, but then he was coming up against aggressive driving. I guess Alonso interpreted Rosberg's move back to the racing line to be a second defensive move, but it really wasn't.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah you can see Ros is just doing his thing (he wasn't pulling a Schumi from last year and weaving all over the place) - one thing I read though is people thought that Hamilton shouldn't have gained a place by overtaking off the track.

I don't know if you're familiar with these video game race/GP reviews, they're pretty fun

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha. quite enjoyed that actually.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: the video game - i tend to play 20% of the full race, which means i get to pit stop and have to change tyres, but it also means I don't have to deal with looking after my tyres that much (unless its raining, which can be a nightmare). Still, I was really tempted to play the full race for Abu Dhabi this weekend just to see it get dark.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't mean to turn this into a drooling-over-video-game thread but the texture and the detail in this is really astonishing

- guy who plays one video game every two years so is easily astonished

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

My races aren't long enough to worry about tyre drop-off, but I did an hour of driving in the rain in practice and you definitely feel the Intermediates drop off when the dry line starts forming, so you have to ride off the line to pick up some water to cool them down. Trickiest part is figuring out when to switch from inters to a dry tyre, as I'm not as good as sticking to the racing line as the computer is.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

About what factors lead to success or failure in these races? Or just how close everybody is?

BOTH

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, Formula 1 is supposed to be about boring consistency, right?

Er...well, by that I'm surprised that Mercedes can be winners one week and midfielders the next, with Red Bull at the opposite poll. China and Bahrain aren't radically different circuits, you know (lol Tilke lol) except in climate.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I don't "get" everyone getting butthurt about The Ros...oh no wait I get Alonso being butthurt because he's the Spanish Mansell.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Couple things I would say about that (confusion re success/failure):
Everyone is really close this year. It doesn't take very much at all to fall five places back in quali, and conversely it doesn't take much to get on the front row - tenths or hundredths of a second are the difference.
There have been unpredictable events that set people way back - Schumi in Bahrain, the McLaren pit stops.
Biggest factor, again - tires. Lotus and Sauber seem to have perfect car balance that evens wear, whereas McLaren seem to be really heavy on the rear tires, especially if the track is cooler.

At this point Red Bull are sorting themselves out by giving Vettel a config that he can drive well. I wouldn't expect him to completely own the rest of the season, but I would bet he'll pick up a number of wins.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aye, otm about tyres...it's obvious on one level but not apparent on the surface. The FIA's backstage shenanigans with Pirelli is highly underrated when you think about, the crazy variability at different temperatures amongst the teams is a somewhat genius...but it's not as visible as DRS ZONES!!!!

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the tires really create a tenterhook of randomness ... but isn't that kind of the point to em?

I wonder if anybody does a game featuring tracks that don't exist/aren't used like Detroit, that would be a blast

Brakhage, Thursday, 26 April 2012 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

waht is a "Williams", guys

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is fantastic. bring it home pastor!

Health Services Union (euphemism) (haitch), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

COME ON PASTOR, BEAT EL MANSELLO!!

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

VENEZUELA REPRESENT

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 13 May 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink


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