For me the only way to do this is one song per album...
Transmaniacon MC7 Screaming Diz-BustersSubhumanETII Love The NightMirrorsDeadlineVeteran of the Psychic WarsShooting Shark[skips Imaginos and CLub Ninja]Harvest Moon[scowls at running out of room cuz there's still "Pocket" from the last album]
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 14 April 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
go ahead. you can do it.
ugh, i'm not so sure about that...
― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 14 April 2012 23:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Before The Kiss, A Redcap""The Red And The Black""Dominance And Submission""Career of Evil""E.T.I. (Extra Terrestial Intelligence)""Godzilla""Don't Fear The Reaper""Golden Age of Leather""Joan Crawford""Veteran of The Psychic Wars"
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
could do ten more in a flash
ok, i just starting writing down the first songs that entered my head as absolutely all-time faves, and stopped when I reached ten. didn't rank them, just listed whatever entered my mind in order-
E.T.I.OD'd on Life ItselfBurnin For YouBlack BladeDominance and SubmissionM.E. 262Career of EvilGolden Age of LeatherStairway to the StarsTransmaniacon MC
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
the older i get the more i really just think christgau sucks so much. i find his tone and whole persona just incredibly irritating beyond belief. i used to sort of "admire" him because it feels like you're supposed to, but his whole smug non-committal half-zing backhanded compliment thing is annoying as fuck.
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
^word is bond
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
In no order:
E.T.I.Veteran of the Psychic Wars ("Extraterrestrial Live" version)Dominance and SubmissionAstronomyStairway To The Stars7 Screaming DizbustersSubhumanMirrorsI Love The NightTransmaniacon MC
Damn, 10 is too few! Damn, can't believe I had no room for "Reaper!" And damn, I picked the wrong day to quit smoking!
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
(and fuck that cowbell sketch)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
metal mike, meltzer, AND christgau all seem to agree that BOC were great partly because they were better/smarter/more clever/more self-aware than your average metal band:
"Says R. Meltzer: "This is really hard rock comedy." Musically, Long Island's only underground band impales the entire heavy ethos on a finely-honed guitar neck, often at high speed, which is the punch line."
plus, xgau's whole: they're really funny and clever and if you don't get that cuz you're so zonked out well forget you.
which, i'll be honest, bugs me. obviously if BOC were JUST funny/clever/smarter they wouldn't be what they are. or they would be a different band altogether. they didn't sell so many records because of their witty lyics. and having buck in your band automatically makes you a better band no matter who you are. so, xgau did get that right.
read something online somewhere today where someone said that BOC are both underrated and overrated and i see a germ of truth there. the thinking man's/critic's metal tag gets too much play. even by me! (duh the guy quoting all the quotes) when list after list you just can't help notice how GREAT and utterly COOL the songs are. on a completely gut level. no critiking required. and they managed that neat trick of being progressive (without being boring or self-indulgent and, no, 4 hour BOC solos are NOT self-indulgent they are required listening) AND heavy AND completely catchy and later way poppy and they did it really well. yet, so did a lot of other people. think that's where i diverge with xgau line of thinking. thin lizzy were smart. stooges were smart. mc5 were smart. alice cooper band was smart. friggin' sabbath were SMART. no end to smart heavy stuff. so, i - though i'm younger than these crit dudes - never saw a need for an antidote to hard rock thuggishness. plus, i like tons of "dumb" stuff too.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
o yeah, Christgau sucks big time. there isn't any sense ever that he actually enjoys music. It's just his "job" to listen to every album that comes across his desk. what a horrible life.
this is the best
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha! Byron! i spent a nice evening with byron a couple weeks back down at the feeding tube. he's fun to talk to. byron is just as crazy as xgau if you ask me. though i would probably agree with byron way more about music. i've totally consciously or unconsciously ripped both of them off a ton so there is that. been reading both of them since i was a mere boy.
and he totally ENJOYS music, stormy. you can't say he doesn't. i just don't get a lot of his loves and he hates probably most of what i like. i don't hold that against him though.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fascinating quote from Hutter.
I've read that Bangs piece many times, and I can't help thinking he made up all the Kraftwerk quotes himself.
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i actually had drunken conversations with both byron AND christgau in the last month. both very pleasant evenings and conversations really. they both have really big brains.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh but that's what i wanted to add: creem's whole THE STOOGES ARE THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD thing and all that from back then. i didn't have to fight those wars. i didn't have to champion BOC as an antidote to anything. so its a totally different worldview/experience that those guys had. i have never felt threatened by uh i dunno Bread or James Taylor or whatever rock band those hepcat crits thought was phoney or whatever st the time.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah I was being over the top in criticizing Xgau; i mean, i own the 70s and 80s guides and i've read them both pretty much from start to finish. and i do think he is a great writer. but almost NEVER agree with him on anything. and he is such a killjoy. and i do wonder if his talent would be better applied doing .... something else. of course he must enjoy on some level all of the records that he ranks highly. but i really do think there is some quote out there somewhere where he talks about the reviewing as his job, and sort of states that he can't afford to get too invested in 'music' qua particular artists, albums, etc
― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Guides show how over time he's gotten into some acts he initially dismissed, like Sonic Youth, who have gotten at least one A+, and he sez "I love 'em to piecees." And he's long-time friends with some musicians, but the thing is, Stormy, it's not fair to the readers if you're too invested in particular artists. Like Chuck quoted Byron (in an interview, so no secret), as saying of Sonic Youth and the Swans, "Those people are my friends," and he'd never say anything to offend them. This as a reply to Chuck expressing some of what he thought were these bands weak points, and implying that however true such comments were, he, Coley, was in no position to agree. Got so bad, Mykel Board even put out those parody records, as Swanic Youth and Swan Jovi, although they were advertised in Forced Exposure, Coley saw the humor of the whole thing. But being friends or even just sort of pen pals, I've seen how musicians can look for, even assumme an advantage in that. Good that Bangs gave Lanier a hard time in Creem, recounting drunken arguments, when he thought they were turning into the kind of arena hacks they'd started out turning into glorious parodies. Speaking of arena rock, I wasn't a professional writer then, but my friends who were (also photographers) got so fucking sick of that shit in the early 70s--it wasn't like being in high school and having these occasional weekend adventures, if you were in NYC especially, like Xgau, who also went to clubs a lot (and had been writing about shows, band profiles, etc, in between reviews, for six or seven years before BOC made it downstate), you too might have an aversion to seeing the same moves, on stage and in the audience, every night. One reason punk had to happen, for crits and others. But BOC were great when they were any good at all (he's really wrong about On Your Feet) Music is about the power of association, and it can be really hard to get past the social associations--certain sounds can remind you of certain assholes, and you stop listening before you follow the sound to the artist's intended effect--or even if you do follow it--so xgau knew perfectly well what they were doing, but the assholes from last night's show, and tonight's, and tomorrow night, kept giving him static, Plus, he's never approved much metal, only Motorhead and Slayer come to mind. His loss, of course.
― dow, Sunday, 15 April 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sorry to get into that "you" shit, just bad rhetoric, I've had kneejerk responses too of course.
― dow, Sunday, 15 April 2012 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
no strong opinion on christgau. read his consumer guides for years as a matter of course and never got much out of them. they mostly seemed mechanical, and i never got a bead on where he was coming from.
coley was a god to me in my late teens & early 20s, his FE salad days, and the dog story is funny, but i just can't get on board with that attitude. i love the bands and records he bashes xgau for liking, but i've never thought anyone was a better or worse critic on the basis of their fucking taste. i don't give a shit about that. i just want to read good writing that expresses interesting thinking. that somebody prefers some nameless bette midler record i'll never hear to clear spot? i don't give a shit about that.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
i cut "don't fear the reaper" and "burning for you" from my POX. i cut them because they loom so large over the band's pop career that it seems redundant to actually mention them. they were the first BOC songs i ever loved, and i love them still, so trust me, they're in here:
1) The Red and the Black - Tyranny and Mutation2) Black Blade - Cultosaurus Erectus3) Before the Kiss, a Redcap - Blue Oyster Cult4) Career of Evil - Secret Treaties5) The Subhuman (live) - On Your Feet or On Your Knees6) Screams/She's as Beautiful as a Foot - Blue Oyster Cult*7) Dominance and Submission - Secret Treaties8) Astronomy (live) - Some Enchanted Evening9) Godzilla (live) - Some Enchanted Evening10) Unknown Tongue - Cultosaurus Erectus
* cheating, yeah, but i can't separate 'em
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 06:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love the bands and records he bashes xgau for liking, but...
uh, make that, "i love the bands and records he bashes xgau for disliking, but..."
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 07:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get annoyed by Xgau bashing. He's a great writer. The point of the best writing is not that you're expected to agree.
― broom air, Sunday, 15 April 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't find my s/t LP, but just unearthed the 2001 reissue, with four bonus Soft White Underbelly tracks. Don't know if s/t was re-mastered too much, or not enough, but listening on good headphones, immediately reminded of the reason I didn't use headphones much back in the day: instruments crowd the vocals. Also, the guitar solos aren't doing much, it's more about the groovy exotic textures, like in "Screams," and the fluidity of transitions, transformations, like passing through the snaaake--still, a bit subtle for '72 boys (time of Quaaludes, cheap booze, dirtweed; nobody I know could afford decent coke, except those shady trust fund kids)Were tney really going for a mass audience for this, or crit-bait? If so, guess it was publicity for the tours, which they quickly became known for. But I still like most of the songs, and some of the performances (yeah, "Before The Kiss, A Redcap," for inst) Really smitten anew by "Redeemed": sounds like a sinister Band song, as if Robertson had gotten lured deeper into "Jupiter's Hollow." After all this conjectural consideration by the masterminds, the Soft White Underbelly tracks jump right out. Much faster, more nimble, no prob w Dharma solos here, or Lanier's keys, Al's drumming, damn--reminds me, what are Brain Surgeons NYC up to these days? I like 'em. Also, anybody heard Dharma's solo album? Or more Soft White Underbell? Here's the ones here:"Donovan's Monkey," "What Is Quicksand?" "A Fact About Sneakers," and "Betty Lou's Got A New Pair of Shoes."
― dow, Sunday, 15 April 2012 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first BOC album was remastered in 2001, but still sounds muddy as hell. agree that the guitar solos aren't really jaw-dropping, but i think they generally serve the tunes and moods quite well, for ex the surging melodic ascent at the center of "transmaniacon MC". i'm also somewhat surprised by the critical acclaim heaped on the debut at the time, as it seems a bit uneven and formative in retrospect. the songs i love best are "transmaniacon", "before the kiss", "screams"/"she's a s beautiful", "cities on flame" and "workshop of the telescopes" (terribly underrated imo). the others are interesting, but not quite there. maybe i'm slighting "stairway to the stars", i dunno...
never got the hang of the SFG/SWU stuff. faster and more nimble, yeah, like tyranny and mutation minus the heavy metal, but too SF-style jammy and structurally loose for my taste. "arthur comics" is the one SFG track i keep coming back to.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
These four tracks are very concise, though chock full of goodness. Yeah, "She's As Beautiful As A Foot," music *and* words, Meltzer done good.
― dow, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Last I heard Joe Bouchard was in a band with Dennis Dunaway. (Playing guitar.) I hope there's a lost Allen Lanier album out there somewhere, perhaps a treasure trove of troubled torch songs, in the vein of "Dance The Night Away". (One of the bonus tracks on the remastered Agents of Fortune.
― henry s, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Gil Blanco County" is a beautiful one from the Stalk-Forrest Group album. Sounds a little like Notorious Byrd Brothers.
― timellison, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
You don't say! Intriguing, esp. considering the twisted rootsiness of "Redeemed," and the twangy, slippery garage(revving up for the arena) boogie feel at times in these BOC/SWU tracks. Also maybe a foretaste of the sinister Byrdsy serenity now of "Don't Fear The Reaper."
― dow, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
i cut "don't fear the reaper" and "burning for you" from my POX. i cut them because they loom so large over the band's pop career that it seems redundant to actually mention them.
yeah me too. but i feel bad not voting for any songs w/meltzer lyrics - "stairway to the stars" instead of "godzilla" would be my do-over
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't understand why xgau would even come up on this thread, it's not like he wrote any lyrics for BOC. "in thee" not exactly running up the votes here
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
then again, this is DEEP: "history shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men Godzilla!"
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:45 PM (20 minutes ago)
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is impossible, this is not a real top ten, these are ten.
MommyBlack BladeFlaming Telepaths7 Screaming Diz-BustersDeadlineShe's As Beautiful As A FootVeinsWings Wetted DownDominance and SubmissionA Fact ABout Sneakers
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mommy probably does not belong in there but I have put it on every mix tape ever.
I hate dem dames!
Flaming Telepaths7 Screaming Diz-BustersDeadlineWings Wetted Down
yeah, flirted with all these BOC. my PanotherX (w "reaper", "burning" & the studio versions of the live songs i mentioned earlier still sidelined but implied):
Transmaniacon MCWorkshop of the TelescopesWings Wetted Down7 Screaming Diz BustersHarvester of EyesFlaming TelepathsThis Ain't the Summer of LoveDeadlineFire of Unknown OriginKick Out the Jams (live) - championed upthread by m@tt, i've listened to it probably 30 times since, so great and, yeah, better than the MC5's originalArthur Comics
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
err, 11, and i'm still cutting so much stuff i'd want on my own personal "best of" mix
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
err, championed in the BOC albums thread
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
buck's guitar on "arthur comics" is as beautiful as a foot
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 16 April 2012 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
many xposts, dow, as far as I know Brain Surgeons NYC split up when Albert and his wife/bandmate split up inamicably a few years ago. Denial Of Death is a great album if you don't have it.
I think the Bouchard Bros. are doing a new band now... Blue Coupe?
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Damn, too bad about Brain Surgeons NYC. Wonder if Deborah Frost is still preforming, writing about music? They weren't perfect, but certainly could go on a roll. Songs like "1864" and "Lonestar" even got 'em on my Nashville Scene ballot (re xpost "twisted rootsiness" of some BOC upthread)
― dow, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
And didn't Al Bouchard review for Downbeat?
― dow, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cites on FlameThen Came the Last Days of MayThe Red and the BlackHot Rails to HellSeven Screaming DizbustersDominance and SubmissonThis Aint the Summer of LoveETI (live off of Some Enchanted Evening)AstronomyGodzilla
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
"even got 'em on my Nashville Scene ballot (re xpost "twisted rootsiness" of some BOC upthread)"
i always thought of "Godzilla" as chopped & screwed Lynyrd Skynyrd.
― scott seward, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Finally signed up for Spotify, now attempting to queue up M@tt's BOC playlist...
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
OK what's up with the belching sound effects and how do i make it stop. Is this punishment for users of the free option?
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I prefer rdio.com's freebie--no ads, no burps.
― dow, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
LOLOLOL it was the website I had open in another tab of a meat pie restaurant!
(it was consistently coming in on beat during Hot Rails To Hell!)
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Got my tickets for the Oct 28th times square show. Hope it doesn't get 'special guest'ed to death-- I really just wanna see a fired up regular BOC show.
Box set is out of my price range but I'll buy it anyway. Remastered Knees, Cultosaurus, Fire all at once? I mean, christ.
I think it's gonna run in the 130 buck range.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
^^^the box set that is, not the concert...
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
lolol WRONG LINK
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
ok this is fucking weird.
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
this is a marching band playing burning for you, not hear n aid
and this is the high school choir that i'm WATCHING RIGHT NOW
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
Wow, winterguard and a pagan ribbon batallion. Go 9th ward marching band!
― drawings by teen cultists (Crabbits), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
lol, i have an album of that (9th ward marching band). quintron put it together. has covers of "burnin for you", "crazy train", "slow ride", bunch of other jams. pretty fun.
― contenderizer, Friday, 24 August 2012 03:45 (8 months ago) Permalink