Worst commissioner of the three major (American) sports

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err I guess that's not really a tipping point and more of a trend sry

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"they could enforce a salary floor and a salary cap."

How in god's name could they do this? Do you not understand that there is a Players Union?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

would you let your kids play football? xp

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't think football is going anywhere, particularly now that so many people (advertisers, corporations, etc) are dumping huge dollars into high school football.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

How in god's name could they do this? Do you not understand that there is a Players Union?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, the NFL, NHL and NBA have players unions too.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've talked about this with friends - I'd rather my kid boxed up through Golden Gloves than played high school football. Football and rugby would be last on the list of things I'd want progeny to play.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

now that ownership groups are paying 2b for franchises (in a bad economy!) I think you'll see MLB have a financial crisis and an ensuing salary cap pretty soon even with their PLAYERS UNION

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

hs and college football are even more problematic than the nfl. espn and nike making money from an unpaid 15 y/o getting concussions is not a long-term biz model really

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the NHL and NBA were in dire straits when the got capped, the NFL has all teams coming close to the cap so players agreed (I think it involved the move to free agency as well). MLB teams are rolling in the dough and has the strongest union. Hard to foresee them working out a cap.

Competitive balance has far less to do with the NFL's popularity than it being the perfect TV event sport. People like dynasties - the 49ers in the '80s, Cowboys of the early '90s, Patriots of the '00s

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

one ownership group paid $2b because they bought a team in the second-largest media market in the country and will make metric fuck-tons of money with a regional sports network

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Rangers hadn't won a playoff game until two years ago and signed a TV deal for $1.6bn. Imagine what successful teams are going to get over the next decade!

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am skeptical of baseball teams all of a sudden discovering billions of dollars each in a revenue stream based on cable TV.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh... why? Cable revenues are precisely why the Yankees and Red Sox have more money than anyone else. Texas and the Angels just signed billion-plus deals. The Dodgers will probably rival the Yankees/Sox in cable revenue with a new deal.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stern not even close.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My hatred of Bettman is mostly legacy @ this point. He seems to not be as in the public eye as he used to be and that's a good thing. I still would love to see him in front of a firing line but...

Selig is basically Don Knotts. Grossly incompetent but benign at his core and the worst things he's done (All-Star Game; God Bless America) are p easily undoable. Interleague was something that was going to happen as soon as they gathered AL and NL under one banner anyway.

Goddell's track record is too short compared to the other guys.

Which laves Stern, who is pretty clearly crooked, talks to much and integrity of the game blah blah blah

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are teams still doing God Bless America? The Rangers are back to singing Deep In the Heart of Texas.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

So for years and years cable companies were just letting baseball teams skate by with small broadcast fees? I don't get where the explosion in money is. It seems like a bubble to me.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

NYY and Miami to name two. I'm sure others do as well. IIRC in houston you get GBA, TMOTTBG AND DITHOT

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

selig has the power to do something about length of games and (maybe) umpiring which are the things that will sink baseball eventually imo

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

but he couldn't be bothered i guess

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

My favourite incompetent commissioner was of course Bowie Kuhn. Bumbled through the '70s--an amazing decade on the field, and I'm pretty sure financially, too--making one bad decision after another. On the other hand, he laid the groundwork for all the labour acrimony of the '80s and into 1994.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

It seems like a bubble to me.

I disagree, I think people will pay top dollar for their own anesthesia.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

"lol, the NFL, NHL and NBA have players unions too."

Largely broken, power-less players unions.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

the nhl players have hired donald fehr, but the league just doesn't make the kind of money that nfl/mlb do.

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Largely broken, power-less players unions.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not buying the myth of the unstoppable, unbreakable MLB players union. They haven't hit on some secret solidarity that NBA and NFL players can't find.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying they are unstoppable or unbreakable. I'm just saying this idea that Selig could unilaterally establish a floor/cap is nonsense. Also baseball would probably lose an entire season if they even tried it right now.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I said "they" could enforce a salary cap. And they could, based on what other sports have done. But they don't seem to care about competitive balance.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

what need is there for a salary cap when they're raking in money and no one seems to care about wastelands like the Royals? It's all just a farm system for the 8 or 9 teams that are trying to compete.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"And they could, based on what other sports have done."

They could IF they were willing to lose a season at the very least and quite probably destroy the sport for a decade. But I guess that's less important to you than "competitive balance".

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

ewwww, Bowie Kuhn.

onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

They could IF they were willing to lose a season at the very least and quite probably destroy the sport for a decade. But I guess that's less important to you than "competitive balance".

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:43 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why the quotes

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

and yes I would be willing to lose a season of MLB for a league that has competitive balance.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well thankfully so far the owners haven't been as short-sighted as you are.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's lots of things I hate about baseball (high ticket prices, gouging taxpayers for stadiums, a generally terrible TV product) but I'm perfectly happy with how the league is structured right now. Most of the teams that are not competitive are not competitive because they are run badly (Blue Jays might be the one exception). I don't see how a salary cap changes that. It just reduces the salaries of the best players and forces the Yankees and the Red Sox to spend less (or pay a hefty luxury tax to shits like Jeffrey Loria.)

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are 6 teams that have less than a third of the yankees' payroll. This isn't because they are "run badly," it's because their owners are cheap/lack the cashflow.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean if you want to fold all those teams that's ok too

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of those teams is the rays

they are an anomaly, tho

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

The people who think there isn't any competitive balance in baseball obviously haven't noticed that about 25 of the 30 teams have made the playoffs in the past decade. Also the past eleven World Series have been won by nine different teams.

And before you complain that Selig has ruined the game and baseball doesn't matter any more, consider that the LA Dodgers, who were a horribly-run team with disastrous finances and the shittiest baseball owner we've seen in our lifetimes, were just sold for two fucking billion dollars. I never liked Selig but you can't dispute that baseball have never been healthier financially. Attendance has been through the roof on his watch too.

Another write-in vote for Bettman.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Look at what the Yankees have spent that payroll on though! It's not like overspending is some guarantee to success. You still have to scout, build a farm system, actually have a real organization. Also since you'll never see those teams balance sheets... well let's say I'm kinda dubious about the poverty of baseball team owners. And I think baseball is good for having a team as easily despicable as the Yankees (just like it benefits the NBA and the Premier League). Star teams are a big draw. That's comparatively lacking in the parity of the NFL for the most part.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

The people who think there isn't any competitive balance in baseball obviously haven't noticed that about 25 of the 30 teams have made the playoffs in the past decade. Also the past eleven World Series have been won by nine different teams.

well the playoffs are partly crapshooty and the correlation is a lot more clearcut if you only look at regular season results

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean you can really put a lot of the 'competitive balance' on the playoff system of these sports that allows worse teams the chance to 'win the season'

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

At one point the KC Royals had an outfield of Beltran, Sweeney, Dye and Damon. Farm system.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw, being willing to give up an entire season to restore competitive balance is the opposite of short-sighted.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's mostly just moronic.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

You do realize that teams generally have to field players other than outfielders, right?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude they ended up keeping only one of them because they didn't spend the money

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

what do you think the yankees would have done?

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Probably overpaid for them.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Signing Jermaine Dye didn't do the A's much good.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the playoffs are partly crapshooty and the correlation is a lot more clearcut if you only look at regular season results

Outside of the Yankees and Red Sox (each of whom have missed the playoffs recently), the playoffs have largely been a revolving door of teams over the past few years.

And yeah, using the Royals as a counterexample to "prove" something about competitive balance in MLB is silly, it's like pointing at the LA Clippers and saying that some NBA teams aren't getting a fair shake.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

the yankees have missed the playoffs once in the last, what, 16 years? it certainly helps that they're well-run and god knows the mets/cubs/etc. have not done well despite financial advantages (though there's still a significant gap between the yankees and second). but it means that the yanks can absorb a fuckup like carl pavano or aj burnett that would bury other teams.

fwiw aj burnett is, i believe, the highest-paid player in pittsburgh sports history, although much of it is coming from the yankees.

i'm not saying that there should be a hard cap, but let's not brush over the fact that spending $200m will almost certainly get you into the playoffs.

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink


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