Worst commissioner of the three major (American) sports

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well his bigger problem is that there isn't really a way to make the game safer

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also the 18 game thing has been tabled for the foreseeable future.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did the NFL player's union express an opinion about paying bounties for causing injuries? My guess is that there's no way in hell they could endorse that idea or even stay neutral on it.

Aimless, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

right, so what the NFL needs is more money put into pensions for retired players and research into player safety and less of this "the game is unsafe because James Harrison is a cheating monster" mentality xp

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not a huge Goodell fan by any means, but given that about every aspect of the NFL game today is different than it's ever been with regard to popularity, player behavior, owner behavior, coach behavior, the rushing river of $$$, media spotlight, soap operas, etc he's doing an okay job despite going in blind.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also the 18 game thing has been tabled for the foreseeable future.

still had to listen Goddell pretend he had no idea what the difference was between a preseason game and a regular season game

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

well his bigger problem is that there isn't really a way to make the game safer

― iatee, Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

knee-high grass on every field. boom. safer game.

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh shit, I'd watch that!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Goddell always struck me as a bully who blah blah blah blah blah blah

Quit misspelling his name please, you're making me irrationally angry.

Nobody watches baseball on tv until the post-season because hardly any game during the regular season ever matters.

This is hooey, JF -- I watch about 5-6 games a week and listen to another 3-5 on Gameday Audio or with the tv on in the background. (Working from home

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, i'll cop to that being hooey. I'm working with a very small sample size (me, my immediate family, and my own perceptions). lol

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm enjoying the Yankees getting mashed into tomato paste right now!

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

god i can't choose all of these guys are terrible

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

stern is prob my fave for sentimental reasons but he should have hung it up a while ago

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

goodell seems like the worst on a personal level, like one of the few human beings i would be unwilling to have a conversation with

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Worst of these 3, I'd say Stern>Goodell>Selig, which is not to praise Selig at all.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes you hear fans of mlb/nba/nhl muttering darkly about conspiracies that give big-market/popular television teams an edge through officiating or whatever.

the nba is the only one i actually believe this about.

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

isn't there some evidence for this happening w/ stars? vaguely remember reading about it

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think Stern is happy to let officiating suck until fans start turning away from the game because of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes its subconscious even

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

favorite part of basketball games is when a star has obviously committed a foul, but one of his lesser teammates immediately raises their hand to take credit

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't watch much nba, but i saw game six of the kings-lakers series live in 2002.

also didn't stern once decree -- in the middle of the season -- that the first round of that year's playoffs would suddenly be best-of-7 rather than best-of-5?

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

not much Selig can do about incompetant management

― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they could enforce a salary floor and a salary cap. But apparently the baseball public likes the competitive imbalance (I don't necessarily disagree with them.)

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's still amazingly balanced compared to euro sports

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

the NFL's competitive balance seems to have made the game bigger than ever though, so I dunno what would happen

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have a hard time considering the NFL to be facing serious problems. Like 40 of the 50 most valuable sports franchises on earth are NFL teams. Injuries are just something people idly worry about during the 8 hours a day they're thinking about the NFL.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

a lot could change very quickly w/ lawsuits and they're 40 of the 50 most valuable spots franchises on earth because it's america's biggest sport and america has a lot of money. but more people on the planet earth know who jeremy lin is than eli manning.

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

venus otoh

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

NFL needs a Chinese-American QB

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the NFL is dancing on the edge of a dropoff in popularity similar to boxing's decline, due to an inherent viciousness in the sport that can't be ignored or rationalized for too many more years. I'm totally guessing, though.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

MLB though, from 1994 to now, has been an abandoned sandcastle. The wild card. The strike. The expansion teams.

Just as a matter of survival, I'm not sure wild cards and (further) expansion could have been avoided. I'd also say that last year proves that the wild card doesn't preclude a wild and unforgettable finish to the season (admittedly, it was a perfect storm that won't be duplicated soon).

clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

they could enforce a salary floor and a salary cap. But apparently the baseball public likes the competitive imbalance (I don't necessarily disagree with them.)

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:36 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


this is a lot harder than it seems for a lot of reasons - salary floor in particular would force small market teams to use their resources on free agents they don't really need rather than player development to produce future stars. having a much longer player development cycle makes it difficult to draw easy parallels between baseball and the other major team sports

ciderpress, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like the big tipping point with boxing's popularity in America is that American kids stopped doing it (and started playing football.) But it seems like high school football is as big as ever. xp

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

err I guess that's not really a tipping point and more of a trend sry

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"they could enforce a salary floor and a salary cap."

How in god's name could they do this? Do you not understand that there is a Players Union?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

would you let your kids play football? xp

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't think football is going anywhere, particularly now that so many people (advertisers, corporations, etc) are dumping huge dollars into high school football.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

How in god's name could they do this? Do you not understand that there is a Players Union?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, the NFL, NHL and NBA have players unions too.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've talked about this with friends - I'd rather my kid boxed up through Golden Gloves than played high school football. Football and rugby would be last on the list of things I'd want progeny to play.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

now that ownership groups are paying 2b for franchises (in a bad economy!) I think you'll see MLB have a financial crisis and an ensuing salary cap pretty soon even with their PLAYERS UNION

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

hs and college football are even more problematic than the nfl. espn and nike making money from an unpaid 15 y/o getting concussions is not a long-term biz model really

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the NHL and NBA were in dire straits when the got capped, the NFL has all teams coming close to the cap so players agreed (I think it involved the move to free agency as well). MLB teams are rolling in the dough and has the strongest union. Hard to foresee them working out a cap.

Competitive balance has far less to do with the NFL's popularity than it being the perfect TV event sport. People like dynasties - the 49ers in the '80s, Cowboys of the early '90s, Patriots of the '00s

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

one ownership group paid $2b because they bought a team in the second-largest media market in the country and will make metric fuck-tons of money with a regional sports network

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Rangers hadn't won a playoff game until two years ago and signed a TV deal for $1.6bn. Imagine what successful teams are going to get over the next decade!

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am skeptical of baseball teams all of a sudden discovering billions of dollars each in a revenue stream based on cable TV.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh... why? Cable revenues are precisely why the Yankees and Red Sox have more money than anyone else. Texas and the Angels just signed billion-plus deals. The Dodgers will probably rival the Yankees/Sox in cable revenue with a new deal.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stern not even close.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My hatred of Bettman is mostly legacy @ this point. He seems to not be as in the public eye as he used to be and that's a good thing. I still would love to see him in front of a firing line but...

Selig is basically Don Knotts. Grossly incompetent but benign at his core and the worst things he's done (All-Star Game; God Bless America) are p easily undoable. Interleague was something that was going to happen as soon as they gathered AL and NL under one banner anyway.

Goddell's track record is too short compared to the other guys.

Which laves Stern, who is pretty clearly crooked, talks to much and integrity of the game blah blah blah

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are teams still doing God Bless America? The Rangers are back to singing Deep In the Heart of Texas.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

So for years and years cable companies were just letting baseball teams skate by with small broadcast fees? I don't get where the explosion in money is. It seems like a bubble to me.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

NYY and Miami to name two. I'm sure others do as well. IIRC in houston you get GBA, TMOTTBG AND DITHOT

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

selig has the power to do something about length of games and (maybe) umpiring which are the things that will sink baseball eventually imo

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink


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