call it pretentious but i'm being totally sincere. it's why i like the lyrics of, say, "Home of the Brave" so much even though they're not particularly "good" lyrics. but i think i invest less importance in lyrics than a lot of people on here, so.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Friday, 13 April 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe that is an eyerolly thing to say, but that's been jason's strategy since day one (also true of the jesus & mary chain). idealization of cliche is the method.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Friday, 13 April 2012 14:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, song #9 is named after a mississipi records gospel comp.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Friday, 13 April 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I haven't really listened to Spiritualized much since "Let it Come Down", which I loved with all my heart. I'm kinda interested in this stuff but this first song is pretty meh.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 April 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
@scott, think about it. singers/lyricists in the popular music tradition have been rhyming words with themselves, rhyming "face" with "place", forcing "again" to rhyme with things that it doesn't, etc., since this shit all got started. just as Spiritualized's music pulls simple tropes from all over rock's history, J's lyrics take its most basic tropes (drugs, love/heartbreak, God) and play them out in a simple way. i'm not saying he could write better lyrics if he wanted to, just explaining why the band's lyrics work for me in an unusual way.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Friday, 13 April 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
idealization of cliche is the method.
contenderizer otm
― caulk the wagon and float it, Friday, 13 April 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I see what you're all saying about the mixing ... "You Get What You Deserve" is bizarre, *really* vocal and guitar heavy, then the coda happens and it's swimming in bass and the drums nearly disappear, like it's a rough unmixed demo. It has to be some kind of weird compression from the stream, I'm not sure what to make of it if it was mixed intentionally that way.
Great song though.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
i prefer to call it stoner laziness, but you can call it whatever you want to call it.
x-post
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i always feel bad for his back up singers too. :(
i mean you could even pay someone to look up words that rhyme with "day" if you don't feel like doing it yourself.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
"You Get What You Deserve" is bizarre, *really* vocal and guitar heavy, then the coda happens and it's swimming in bass and the drums nearly disappear, like it's a rough unmixed demo
think this sounds great and am sure it's purely intentional. Jason's at his best using weird mixing methods (see also: Pure Phase)
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 April 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm not really defending pierce, morbs, cuz i haven't loved a spiritualized album since ladies and gentleman..., but i do think that the referentiality and simplicity are intentional. for whatever that's worth.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Friday, 13 April 2012 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I Am What I Am lyrics are totally funny imho
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 April 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
wait, did you just call me morbs? take that back.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was listening to that Hatchback album Zeus + Apollo the other day and was thinking they should do a collaberation with Pierce.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
That is the second worst thing a person can be called imo.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 13 April 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
...is this about where I confess that I still haven't heard the previous album and can't see myself getting all excited for this one either? I dunno, I think he just lost me somewhere.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
he should just hire songwriters. or cover good songs that already exist. same with nick cave. and any other spoonjunemoon lazybones out there. no shame in covering good songs. or hiring songwriters. people do it every day. the sound will still be sorta cool. million old country songs that are good and better than jayspace's stuff.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
or at least bury the vocals so that i can't hear every word.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
same with nick cave.
betcha can't say YOU'VE rhymed "Orpheus" with "orifice" anytime lately ya jackmunch
― caulk the wagon and float it, Friday, 13 April 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was gonna but then i realized that they didn't rhyme.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
"That is the second worst thing a person can be called imo."
jackmunch is number one, right?
i was gonna leave, but now i'm curious what other names i can get called on here.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol, you're not a morbius, scott
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Friday, 13 April 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
not yet
I'm really liking this album, more so than I have recent Spiritualized ones.
The closing song is almost a Spiritualized pastiche yet still sounds great.
― groovypanda, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
After my initial excitement after hearing the live run-through last year, I'm completely detatched and uncompelled. At least A&E felt like Jason was pushing himself forward as a songwriter (and there are some genuine creepy moments on it), but this just feels like a scavenge through whatever was on Jason's hard drive.
Perhaps it's time to fire the band again?
― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
He needs to start wearing that DRUGS NOT JOBS tshirt again, that will really go down well right now. It is a boring, expendable album for me and I dont take any pleasure in saying that. He does need to sack the band and then hire Hatchback as his new band and stop writing terrible lyrics. And get out of this 'pity me junkie' bullshit, that is the scant emotional landscape of all his albums really. Dont get me wrong I love a lot of Spiritualized, but this is mediocrity.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
How long again did "Hey Jane" leak? I feel like I've totally heard this song before...
― billstevejim, Monday, 16 April 2012 05:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh wait.. I heard it on the radio last night. That was it.
― billstevejim, Monday, 16 April 2012 06:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I listened to this on Saturday and was pretty unimpressed, it picks up at the end a bit but otherwise it just feels like a trudge.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 08:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://thequietus.com/articles/08533-spiritualized-sweet-heart-sweet-light-review
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 16 April 2012 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thoughtful of the Quietus to put that Huh?.jpg next to that nonsensical first line.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's a terribly-written review actually.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah that review is appalling. by "subterfuge" I think he means "antidote", although I'm not really sure
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I also don't think it's true that Spiritualized's reputation rests entirely on "Ladies and Gentlemen...".
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
The morose lyrical ambiance is off set by a winsome string / jangling guitar combination that sounds like Cast. There is a strong late 90s pop sensibility at play elsewhere, too. 'Get What You Deserve' smacks of something that Ian Brody of the Lightening Seeds would come out with, were he asked to write a song in the style of George Harrison
There's also a drum beat reminiscent of Shedd Sevan.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
To say nothing of Guy Dodd
― Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm yet to meet anyone who considers them merely 'alright'.
sup
― W. E. B. Du Bois Goals Panel (DJ Mencap), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's too bad that this album is getting such a bad rap! it's true that it's kind of a boring album, but "hey jane," "headin for the top" and "so long you pretty thing" are all mega-classics imo, and scattered strategically so that their good vibe carries over to the next song, and the whole thing is a delicious treat. that's what i think anyway.
also reading this thread, i remembered that shakey mo collier is a michael moorcock character and that's why i'm really posting, sup dude??
― marc iv, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't *really* care about lyrics, but dag
― mookieproof, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
mark iv otm, imo
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
yep
also sup
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
bad rap? http://www.metacritic.com/music/sweet-heart-sweet-light
― caulk the wagon and float it, Monday, 23 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think So Long... will definitely become one of my favourite Spiritualized songs. There's just something infectious about it.
Nice live version here:
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm seeing them in a week and a half and am gonna spend the time re-listening to everything. I just got my hands on the 3CD "Ladies and Gentlemen..." set and all of the "I Think I'm In Love" demos are so fucking gorgeous.
― Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
word. i really love the straight acapella demo of the "suuuuuunnnnnn, so bright that i'm nearly blind" vocals from the first half.
i'm seeing them (for the first time!) on monday and i am so fuckin excited.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
that 'Pretty Things' video weirdly makes me a bit nervous about the show though. i love the new album and i love that song, but it seems a little flat or phoned-in there.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
seen them over half a dozen times and it's usually a great show. there was only one set I was disappointed by, and that was on the Let It Come Down tour and things just seemed sloppy (drummer missed cues, Jason forgot lyrics, etc.)
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
did you ever see them with the full array of guitars/synths/strings/choirs etc?
― caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
yep - both the LAGWAFIS and the LITC tours were like that. LGM tour was a five-piece augmented by a sax/flute player iirc. And then the Pure Phase tour was just a quartet, and that was honestly the best version I think. Also saw the recent small tour he did with just Dogen on piano plus trio of backup singers and a string quartet. It's always a little different. The light show does a lot of work lol.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink