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yeah, i've been obsessed with that boot, the version of "Autobahn" is really cool

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I agree, this is fantastic

Brakhage, Friday, 13 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whew. Lot's to wade through here but the idea of these shows as more of a museum piece is dead on correct. Seeing last night's show 8 can attest to it. It's the whole package, the setting, the presentation, the concept. Unless you were there it's pretty tough to get the entire feeling of the proceedings. And as much as I would have loved seeing them jamming "Ruckzuck" in 1971, the Radio-Activity show was special in it's own way. Just wish it had been a tad bit louder.

kwhitehead, Friday, 13 April 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah those wonderful Tokyo recordings really show how different they sound nowadays, if you listen back to back with say, the "minimum-maximum" versions.

Re. bootlegs, one show I was at was the Glasgow show in Nov 1991 and there is an audio boot of it out there. However, there was a big deal at the time of how the show was being transmitted via the internet to, IIRC, two or three European cities - maybe Paris and somewhere in Germany. This was pretty groundbreaking at the time. I can't really remember the details very clearly though. There were crowds at these cities who had paid to watch the show in real time and I think we were shown live pictures of the other audiences during the show (I might be imagining that). Anyway, this makes me think that there must be video of that show somewhere. Anyone know anything about that?

everything, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

can anyone hook a dude up with the WDR TV bootleg? i know i've seen a lot of this on youtube, but would like to get the audio...

tylerw, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

ol' Franny's a Kraftwerk fan? *makes high pitched nasal sound*

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

first 'Europe Endless' since 1976 (or perhaps 1981)

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

and they pretty much cloned it. except for Ralf's characteristic occasional stray note.

the other unique songs from TEE posted by user citybug: http://www.youtube.com/user/citybug

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

KRAFTWERK SETLIST 4/11/12
The Robots
Radioactivity
Radioland
Airwaves
Intersmission
News
The Voice Of Energy
Antenna
Radio Stars
Uranium
Transistor
Ohm Sweet Ohm
Autobahn
Trans Europe Express
The Model
The Man-Machine
Numbers
Computer World
Home Computer
Tour de France
Planet Of Visions
Medley: Boing Boom Tschak, Technopop, Musique Non Stop

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/04/kraftwerk_playe_1.html

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was the show I wished I could attend the most. would absolutely love to hear "Radioland", "Airwaves", and "Antenna" live. Mostly because they'd never play 'em otherwise!

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

this really sucks - FS is one of the most beautiful things in their whole catalogue

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Friday, 13 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, that would have been an interesting piece to update. maybe ralf wasn't feeling up to taking that long of a keyboard solo. they also left out the 'Metal On Metal' breakdown in TEE, though they played it the previous night.

'Hall of Mirrors' leads with samples from the studio version. 'Showroom Dummies', also largely cloned. except they end it with a bit of the riff from 'Mitternacht', which is fun as live versions of 'Mitternacht' from 74 & 75 would usually start out with a jam using the riff that turned into 'Showroom Dummies'.

hope someone managed to capture all the other tracks from 'Radioactivity', that was the night with the most songs they've never played live before.

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 April 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

>Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely?

No, I think there's a real argument to be made for the fact that they toured these albums as a very live band. I think people who came to those shows with any pre-conceptions of electronic music being a studio-only thing had those pre-conceptions erased.

Fair enough, I guess? Our disagreement here may have to do mostly with location -- Oslo/Norway is an obvious stop for bands of a certain size (and a couple of sizes below) these days with the festivals and all, but even in my living memory it wasn't like that. I've heard legends the Sex Pistols actually played here once in a small room. People are still talking about when Miles Davis played at Sardine's in 1985 or something. The same year, the Waterboys' gig was a highpoint for rock ppl in this country. The Rolling Stones FAMOUSLY played here -- once! -- in 1965, and I'm not sure they ever came back until 1989. The Beatles never played here, certainly not after the Stones did. (OK lame joke.)

And most of the world is backwaters like that, I'd think. Maybe I'll have a look for kw tour schedules of the 70s, but gut feeling is that classic records become classic records because the records are classic, nothing more.

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

they weren't the only touring electronic band, but unlike Tangerine Dream & Klaus Schulze hunched down behind consoles & barely visible behind fog-machines, my friends who saw them in 75 & 81 both mentioned that with Kraftwerk, every sound you heard had a gesture attached to it; you could see what they were playing. in the 70's, even the people who knew what electronic music was thought of it as inherently studio-only; they expected those concerts to be tape playback. But no; two percussionists driving everything, so you can't underestimate the influence of those concerts.

the show still has aspects of live performance, but it's like the difference between a cyclist and a jet pilot

sideways but full-length 'autobahn'

Milton Parker, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aye mp; I'm not saying your take is wrong, just... alien to me somehow. Invoking the live shows of Tangerine Dream and/or K Schulze... maybe *they* played Oslo some time back in the 70s, but I wouldn't bank on it. (I would of course be srsly underage at that time anyway, so ah I dunno...)

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

(liking that last video obv though -- cgi of vw beetle fahrend along like whoosh hurrah! :-D My grandmother finally got a driver's licence at about the age of 60; bought a bright orange beetle. I can still remember the registration number, and the plastic hole pattern in the ceiling inside made me see 3d; the grandmother mentioned rounded 96 just now btw. OK, *now* I'm babbling.)

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

So,

The 12345678 boxset is getting 're-issued' in black box with LP style little sleeves, for twice the price of the existing box.

Just so's you know..

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 08:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's numbered - just 2000 copies!

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Monday, 16 April 2012 09:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

mmm...

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 09:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Indeed.

only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Monday, 16 April 2012 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

See, you can still get the 'original' box with a full set of mouse-mats and a t-shirt for the same price (if not cheaper) as this new box, off the 'klingklang' site (which doesn't have the new box).

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 11:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

the old boxset already had LP style little sleeves

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

So, the only difference is the number and the colour of the box?

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ralf speaks to the NYT. Usual talk of 'we're working all the time ... new album soon'. Still a fun read

Brakhage, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brakhage, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

that video up there captures the high point of the show for me. Person filming it was, apparently, very near me. Background projections were really something on this one with the 3D specs.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

looks like Uranium & Transistor were just straight-up playback of the album, but that's the slowest, most stately 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' ever

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

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hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow!

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

*calls her*

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Insult to injury

hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

― Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 11:06 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Amm See-ing it right nowwwww!!!!!!!

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

ARGH"!

Mark G, Thursday, 19 April 2012 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

First twenty minutes of the Computer World show: http://soundcloud.com/ryanjonik/kraftwerk-new-york-moma-computer-world

"Computer Love" from this is, as they say, my jam.

Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sorry, but i'm afraid that "computer love" is my jam. even started a thread about it once. you're gonna have to get another one.

i don't make the rules, i just follow them...

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh wait, i started a thread about the transition from "numbers" to "computer world 2", and how it is the greatest moment of all time. ok, "computer love" can be your jam, then. :)

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Holy shit @ that new Computer Love arrangement - Hütter's been struck by Lindstrøm's "I Feel Space" (who hasn't)..

willem, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

(song starts at 15:08 in that soundcloud link)

willem, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
1 month passes...

added 'fukushima' to the list of failures for the Japan show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsQgmq-fNs&feature=player_embedded

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

and YMO did a cover version the same night!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w90c3yn4X58&feature=related

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Another round of full-album 3D shows announced in Düsseldorf in January.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 8 November 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

hell yes!!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

@ Jimmy Smith in 2002 - Radioactivity IS an undeniable classic

paolo, Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

holy shit
http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/music-and-live-performance/kraftwerk-catalogue-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

German electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk play eight live performances in Tate Modern’s Turbine Hall in their first London dates since 2004.

KRAFTWERK - THE CATALOGUE 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 is a chronological exploration of the group’s sonic and visual experiments and presents eight classic master works from across their celebrated repertoire with spectacular 3D visualisations and effects.

Combining sound and images, the performances showcase nearly 40 years of musical and technical innovation, including new improvisations, 3D projections and animation. Commencing with Autobahn, each night covers one of Kraftwerk’s groundbreaking studio albums in full and appear in order of their release — Autobahn (1974), Radio-Activity (1975), Trans Europe Express (1977), The Man-Machine (1978), Computer World (1981), Techno Pop (1986), The Mix (1991) and Tour de France (2003) — alongside additional compositions from their back-catalogue.

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The Mix" night would be a good, um, mix..

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

aw man, i'd go to all of these Radioactivities

make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Shitting hell that's going to be amazing. And impossible to get tickets for.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

being awake at 7:30 a problem?

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tate website crashing more likely to be the issue I would think.

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:34 (1 year ago) Permalink


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