PARIS HILTON - PARIS

Thatcherism was bad enough first time around. We don't want it back, thank you very much.

i don't care if she wrote all the songs or none.

i don't even care if it isn't her voice at all.

it'd still be underwhelming.

Definitely can see your point there ben.

i work for the feeling's record company?

Just as I know the sun will come up tomorrow, I know that Hilton would not have released an album at this juncture in her life if her pockets didn't reach down to hell.

so? I mean, seriously, so what? what earthly bearing could this have on whether the music is good?

i like the fergie album, it's...odd in that it's properly good rather than obnoxiously good!

this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it, and b) that fame and celebrity status are intrinsically rational in the first place! both these assumptions are nonsense & a far more pernicious manifestation of ‘celebrity culture’ than any amount of daddy’s girls who just wanna have fun.

this is an argument which recurs all the time, and not just about paris, but about virtually every sleb ever - that you must 'earn' or 'deserve' your fame. wtf? this is mentalism. it assumes a) that fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that onlhat fame is something so beyond-mere-mortals wonderful and brilliant that only special people are permitted to have it.

With all due respect Lex, I think your logic is quite flawed here. Hilton is the one who feels she is beyond mere mortals ("I'm way more famous than any of these people. If anyone deserves a star it's me!") and doesn't have to tow the same line as most other people who have actually proven their talent, live or recorded.

Fair enough?

Paris said:
If anyone deserves a star on the Walk of Fame I do

'nuff said for me. Unfortunately there is much more if you insist that I search for it.

"I'm always playing a character," she says. "I don't talk like this really -- like a baby. I don't act like myself in public, because I don't really want to show everyone the real me. Because I have no privacy whatsoever, the only thing I have is who I really am."

of course i had a positive prejudice towards the paris album! and i was proved right.

Good thing you're not a judge Lex!

I mean, some people are famous, some like it, some don't. Big fucking deal. Some people deserve their fame, for like pulling of some amazing feat of physical or artistic endeavour, some don't. It's NOT INTERESTING.

(It might still be more than that - but the Lex's second-hand po-mo clothes don't feel like an interesting fit on it.)

xpost Shorty so your argument boils down to "Spoiled woman thinks she should be included in notorious monument to vanity O NOES"?

no i agree and this is a big part of why the last STreets album was so hard to engage with (the other parts being all that terrible singing and weak production)

People generally want to either idolise or mock their celebrities. They don't want to empathise with them, unless they get cancer or do something else that brings them down to the level or 'mere mortals'.

I dunno, I just respect people that accept their praise and/or criticism in stride, and don't get visibly pissed off when the public (or whatever awards organization) doesn't share in their self-perceived recognition.