the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

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Morbz duh

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

splendid thread title

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Only 6.5 months of shopping days away!

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

my vote is pretty important cause I live in a big state (new york) so I don't want to just give it to just anybody, gonna be thinking this over for a long time

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

gonna have some long talks w/ my rabbi, family members, message board people

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I live in California so zzz

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

def Nieuwenhuis for National League centerfielder

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dianne Feinstein's running again for Senate, will win, zzz.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

ugh wish Feinstein's career was over already

Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

congratulation to willard mitt romney!!

goole, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

writing in Yosemite Sam as I do every 4 years

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

well he does have a decent chance of winning your state

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tea Party hates rabbits and evolution.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I think the number of ppl susceptible to "the most important election of your lifetime" has decreased a tad this cycle, haven't seen it anywhere. Maybe just reserved for use by cable idiots now.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Duck season!

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

surprised at aero's vote. why legitimize Yosemite Sam's continuing reign of terror?

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

so should I try to retain my VA registration until November despite probably living the whole year in MA so my vote will matter more for the presidency or should I register in MA so I can vote for Elizabeth Warren?

raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

ma, virginia prob won't turn the election

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Trying to think of how this scenario compares to '08. Romney seems more hardened in his beliefs than McCain. Not sure how that plays out.

timellison, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure how/if/when beliefs enter into any of this

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, isn't the n*rr*tive for Mittens that he has no beliefs? as it would be for Bam if his followers were sentient.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

If he's actually properly got the nomination now, I wouldn't be surprised to see him down in Zuccotti Park the evening talking to the plain folks.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is pretty good evidence for the statement 'romney has no real beliefs' outside of possibly mormonism

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, maybe I could say instead that he presents a more hardened stance in his rhetoric.

timellison, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I think the number of ppl susceptible to "the most important election of your lifetime" has decreased a tad this cycle, haven't seen it anywhere.

Its importance has increased to "most important election since 1860."

Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Each candidate believes in his own will to power as the will of the universe.

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

let me guess, Dan: Maddow?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

santorum, actually

goole, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Romney has a pretty constant core belief, but it's not the kind that will endear you to voters because it's so narrow.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it the "I should be president" thing?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

not really, but that's an offshoot of his "free market i am a business man and basically a little god" mentality.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also the victimization issue that people were talking about on the other thread. McCain didn't embody this as much. This campaign seems like it will be more paranoid.

timellison, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

romney def believes in the power of business consulting but he's actually kinda bad at being cocky

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

awesome, i can be first to say

Good Luck, USA

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I am the only person who sees clearly that America's hair is on fire! That is why I feel such urgency to be your president."

Aimless, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

"we're sorry senator, you're not allowed to abort your candidacy -- you'll need to carry it to full term"

Silky Slim (dan m), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

(xpost) Gingrich may have started the 1860 phrase and Santorum picked up on it, I dunno.

And so now we have Newt Gingrich insisting that 2012 "is the most important election since 1860." And some in the punditocracy go even further; according to columnist E. J. Dionne, "Everyone agrees that the 2012 election will be a turning point involving one of the most momentous choices in American history."

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=33338:the-greatest-post-in-all-our-lifetimes

Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-27-point-gender-gap-that-could-decide-the-election/2012/04/10/gIQAlm5E8S_blog.html?wprss=rss_ezra-klein

A wide gender gap underlies the current state of the race. Romney is up eight percentage points among male voters but trails by 19 among women.

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

2008 gap wuz 13 points

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

This year has made it pretty clear that the republican party views women as second class citizens, I'm surprised it is not more than 19 points.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Democratic Party only views non-millionaire women as second-class citizens

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ashley Judd 4 Prez imo

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/cain-women-gender-gap-romney-obama.html

men vs. other people

iatee, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, hell _is_ other people, ya know, as the many other people in Cain's life have no doubt proven to him thru litigation of harmless actions and jokes

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Romney behind the scenes at Fox

boxall, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I think the number of ppl susceptible to "the most important election of your lifetime" has decreased a tad this cycle, haven't seen it anywhere. Maybe just reserved for use by cable idiots now.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:44 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a putative historian on the internet-talk-show annex of NRO, the hoover institution presents uncommon knowledge with peter robinson, pulled this one a few months ago, cuz this election is america's great choice between Administration & Liberty. i am leaning liberty but idk what if i got sick.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, the election of 1864 was p. important too

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

campaign's not over until someone cries holding a doll iirc

supreme sundae (reddening), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 06:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

doll is in the hospital iirc

♆ (gr8080), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 07:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's going on over there on the right

j., Wednesday, 11 April 2012 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really don't think Obama is stupid enough to underestimate the viciousness of the opposing party. The answer lies somewhere else.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wasn't Eisenhower also pressured to take on Nixon in '52 to pacify the base?

Eisenhower was so popuar – then and after his presidency – that once he crushed the Taft faction he could do what he wanted. No doubt Nixon covered his right flank but you couldn't pressure the Supreme Commander to do anything.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

to have to answer them, i mean xpost

da croupier, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really don't think Obama is stupid enough to underestimate the viciousness of the opposing party. The answer lies somewhere else.

It's ego. If you read his books he genuinely thinks he has a talent for comity.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Andrew Sullivan, yes, he wd be stupid enough)

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

the debt ceiling/credit downgrade thing is one of the things that makes me think that choosing a sitting rep or senator as veep was a bad call for romney - a governor would have taken that tool out of the hands of obama/biden, and i think it could be a pretty effective attack point.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Obama strikes me as the least egotistical president since... Carter?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Why did Eisenhower pick Nixon, then? He clearly couldn't stand him.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw croup, I am not a pacifist. I can kneecap somebody for ya when I am 100%.

non-egomaniacs do not become POTUS

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Obama strikes me as the least egotistical president since... Carter?

Call it supreme self-confidence then. And I certainly do agree with some of his critics: the guy can be thin skinned.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

covered his right flank--missed that. That's basically what I mean; "pressured" was the wrong word.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

And I certainly do agree with some of his critics: the guy can be thin skinned.

I can't think of any examples. . . ?

Mr. Que, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Why did Eisenhower pick Nixon, then? He clearly couldn't stand him.

back then the convention had a bit more say than the candidate

da croupier, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also: during the Checkers speech Nixon deftly got himself into the ticket after he implicated Ike for getting a sweet tax deal on his memoirs. Ike never trusted him again.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm sure the same is true of Romney and Ryan: you can't pressure the Supreme Private Equity Maven to do anything.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone read Ezra Klein this morning?


I want to stop here and say that even the definition of “true” that we’re using is loose. “Legitimate” might be a better word. The search wasn’t for arguments that were ironclad. It was just for arguments — for claims about Obama’s record — that were based on a reasonable reading of the facts, and that weren’t missing obviously key context.
For instance: Obama really has expanded the size and generosity of the food stamps program. He really has been picking winners and losers in the energy sector. He really does intend to raise taxes on the rich. He really does foresee the federal government spending more a decade from now than it was spending five years ago. He really did push an unelected board of health-care bureaucrats to make decisions about Medicare reimbursement rates. He really did want to raise the price of dirty energy. He really hasn’t released a plan that would ever balance the budget. He really did break his pledge not to raise taxes on people making less than $250,000 when he signed the Affordable Care Act.

But Ryan’s claims weren’t even arguably true. You simply can’t say the president hasn’t released a deficit reduction plan. The plan is right here. You simply can’t say the president broke his promise to keep your GM plant open. The decision to close the plant was made before he entered office — and, by the way, the guy at the top of your ticket opposed the auto bailout. You simply can’t argue that the Affordable Care Act was a government takeover of the health-care system. My doctor still works for Kaiser Permanente, a private company that the government does not own. You simply can’t say that Obama, who was willing to follow historical precedent and sign a clean debt ceiling increase, caused the S&P downgrade, when S&P clearly said it was due to congressional gridlock and even wrote that it was partly due to the GOP’s dogmatic position on taxes.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

After rereading Ryan’s speech, I went back to Sarah Palin’s 2008 convention address. Perhaps, I thought, this is how these speeches always are. But Palin’s criticisms, agree or disagree, held up. “This is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state Senate.” True. She accused Obama of wanting to “make government bigger” and of intending to “take more of your money.” That’s not how the Obama campaign would have explained its intentions, but the facts are the facts, and they did have plans to grow the size of government and raise more in tax revenues. Palin said that “terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay” and “he wants to meet them without preconditions,” which was true enough.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

gotta love that last paragraph:

We’ve been conditioned to want to give both sides relatively equal praise and blame, and the fact of the matter is, I would like to give both sides relatively equal praise and blame. I’d personally feel better if our coverage didn’t look so lopsided. But first the campaigns have to be relatively equal. So far in this campaign, you can look fair, or you can be fair, but you can’t be both.

so courageous, ezra!

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

JUST TELL THE FUCKING TRUTH ALL OF THE TIME YOU'RE A JOURNALIST

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mr. Que, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

We’ve been conditioned to want to give both sides relatively equal praise and blame, and the fact of the matter is, I would like to give both sides relatively equal praise and blame.

This is pretty sad

Mr. Que, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

journalists love to give both sides relatively equal praise and blame so much that it takes one of the most prominent political events/speeches of the year, packed with nearly unprecedented amounts of blatant lies, to shake a few journalists out of their rut and get to mention that paul ryan just shoved a bunch of putrid shit down the throats of anyone unlucky enough to pay attention to him speak

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty sure Klein was clearing his throat for the sake of newbies. The guy's been dissecting Ryan's budget for the last two years.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

doesn't come off as throat clearing at all--he seems genuinely surprised at the level of lying, esp. since he goes back to Palin's speech

Mr. Que, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, but...I mean, this is the first paragraph of his piece:

The original pitch was for “the five biggest lies in Paul Ryan’s speech.” I said no. It’s not that the speech didn’t include some lies. It’s that I wanted us to bend over backward to be fair, to see it from Ryan’s perspective, to highlight its best arguments as well as its worst. So I suggested an alternative: The true, the false, and the misleading in Ryan’s speech. (Note here that we’re talking about political claims, not personal ones. Ryan’s biography isn’t what we’re examining here though, for the record, I found his story deeply moving.)

An hour later, the draft came in — Dylan Matthews is a very fast writer. There was one item in the “true” section.

and then he goes on to describe how he painstakingly went through the entire speech himself in an attempt to add at least a few more sorta truthy things to it. yeah, he's been critical of ryan and the gop in the past, of course. but i don't think that's just "clearing his throat", i think that's him desperately looking for ways to balance things out a little bit so that next time he sees paul ryan in a hotel lobby he doesn't have to grovel quite so much.

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

it would be very awkward in the halls of power if prominent journalists actually told the truth for a day

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

good luck usa media

caek, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Klein's style isn't truculence; he's got the air of a well-intentioned econ grad student. But he certainly hasn't groveled on Chris Hayes' show. And I read the intro here as an attempt to at least try to assuage an audience that's primed to call him part of the liberal media elite.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

try to assuage an audience that's primed to call him part of the liberal media elite.

good fuckin luck with that! he's Mr. Journolist.

goole, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

painstakingly went through the entire speech himself in an attempt to add at least a few more sorta truthy things to it.

I agree with this. Like the grocery list he cites from the Palin speech.

timellison, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

elsewhere David Frum wonders why it can't be 1996 and Ryan can't be Kemp.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is for morbz

scott seward, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Had no idea Frum had this novel called Patriots out: "America's first black president has just lost re-election. A new leader tries to pull the country out of a terrible recession--only to face a devilish plot from inside his own party."

Isn't there a clip of Nixon playing alongside Duke Ellington at the White House?

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Close, not quite:

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Reality disconnect #589: "WE BUILT IT! WE BUILT IT! WE BUILT IT! We create the jobs and we drive the economy! Oh yeah, except everything wrong is the President's fault. Cos he's in control of the economy."

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Who are the mystery speakers? 'Cause I wanna know. No mention of Hologram Nixon.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Clint will be one, surely.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's totally gonna be eastwood

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

"it's the end of the game in America, and we lost. let's invent a new sport we'll be good at."

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh also also have we taken the time to lol @ the genius campaign slogan "We Can Change It"

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

there are nearly six thousand posts in the thread and it's high season for politics, you hae to load the whole thread to see what you missed if you leave the house for a couple of hours. it is time for a new thread. I don't know what symmetry requires, if anything, but it's time.

we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Symmetry demands it.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude, bookmark it, its all the rage. i actually did that for the first time for this thread!

scott seward, Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I use bookmarks Scott but it really is time. Bookmarks do not mean the end of starting new threads when one thread is ridiculously long

we don't wanna miss a THING!!! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

done!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

mods, please...?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink


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