NRO's The Corner 2: Ghost Protocol

I posted this on Mark Steyn's comment when it should have been here on Rich's.

A couple of questions: Rich---did you talk to Derb before sacking him? What advice would you give someone to avoid being a victim of crime if they are white? If they are black?

Seems a basic white guy going into a New Black Panther rally wouldn't be smart. Nor would a basic black guy going to a Klan meeting be a wise choice either. Between those extremes there is a mean--but how do you find that point? With violence on the increase, is not avoidance of situations where one might encounter it a wise choice? What do you use to determine that choice?. What will you advise your children to do to aid them in making wise decisions on where and when to go places so they remain safe?

Would just be curious to know?

I know conservatives aren't the only ones who do it but I detest this "Rich" and "Mark" forced familiarity.

"basic white guy" is one for the race/class thread

"he's gonna die and he's just fuckin going for it now"

This was actually my first thought after I read the Taki piece.

With violence on the increase

oh ho

It's pretty basic.

Elsewhere, an opening paragraph of suck:

I've been an admirer of John Derbyshire's writing for at least a decade, though I've disagreed with him on a number of issues (including his village atheist shtick and his intemperate attack on pro-lifers), and was sorry to read about his poor health. His book 'We're Doomed' was a witty attempt to reclaim the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism.

a witty attempt to reclaim the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism

OMIGOD

the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism

kinda surprised how big this story is getting*. i figured it would be kinda nothing) (*even on the scale of internet fishbowl punditry which i know is v small)

This guy!

http://www.observer.com/2012/04/takis-mag-founder-speaks-out-on-john-derbyshire-race-controversy-its-nice-to-be-light-sometimes/

“You know, I was one of the last people asked to write Bill Buckley’s obituary,” the American Conservative magazine co-founder (his partners were Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell) told The Observer. “He never would have done a thing like that…meaning you don’t fire somebody to toe the politically correct line for the neo-cons in Washington.”

“It’s nice to be light sometimes,” the 40-year veteran of The Spectator‘s High Life column said of Taki’s Mag’s sometimes flippant take of the issues. “Especially in America.”

“They (the Review) were in such a hurry to toe the PC line that I don’t even think they read the piece. It just goes to show what a bunch of rats they’ve become to do a thing like that,” Mr. Theodoracopulos continued. “But it makes me happy, because now Mr. Derbyshire is free to go to The Chronicle, The American Conservative, or to us (Taki’s Mag). We’ll split him up, the three of us, I hope.”

We asked if Taki’s Mag pays its writers.

“We pay! Unlike the ‘Greek Pudding’ (Editor's note: We assume he's referring to Arianna Huffington)…and Tina Brown knows…we pay.”

“You know, I was one of the last people asked to write Bill Buckley’s obituary,” the American Conservative magazine co-founder (his partners were Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell) told The Observer. “He never would have done a thing like that…meaning you don’t fire somebody to toe the politically correct line for the neo-cons in Washington.”

so what's Pat Buchanan's response?

lol @ the editor's note

xp

The Puritans and the Catholics who ran the ecclesiastical courts for the Salem witch trials and the Inquisition, respectively, must be looking at this from the beyond, and saying, "Dam*! You guys don't tolerate a lot of dissent, do you?!"

Derb was a "heretic." He had to be burned. I'd be curious to hear the difference in reasoning of his punishment, if not the method or degree. You just threw one of our crispest, most insightful writers to the lynch mob.

presumably now even crisper

hates dark meat though

With violence on the increase,

Yeah, goole already called this out but this right here is the perfect encapsulation of the fact free conservative bubble. Reality be damned, I thrive on fear!

this is the daily caller but i dont know where else to put it

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/the-end-of-my-white-guilt/

Down the toilet?

But you might enjoy this:

http://www.booksandculture.com/articles/2006/novdec/11.21.html

Comin' up I was confused my momma kissin' a girl
Confusion occurs comin' up in the cold world
Daddy ain't around probably out commitin' felonies
My favorite rapper used to sing ch-check out my melody
I wanna live good, so should I sell dope for a fo-finger ring
Money and them gold ropes
Santa told me if I pass could get a sheep skin coat
If I can move a few packs and get the hat, now that'd be dope
Tossed and turned in my sleep at night
Woke up the next morning niggas done stole my bike
Different day same shit, ain't nothing good in the hood
I'd run away from this bitch and never come back if I could

When I got home I vented to my friends. I told them I was going to scour those neighborhoods until I found the bike. In reply, a liberal friend gave me a lecture about profiling and told me to just forget about the bike. “That person needs our prayers and help,” she said. “They haven’t had the advantages we have.”

Are all Daily Caller stories this weird?

the answer is always to be more racist

and btw disability is just lack of motivation

Mr. McCarthy is saddened by Mr. Steyn and wishes to clarify things:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295608/no-mark-andrew-c-mccarthy

This, of course, is followed by Maggie Gallagher on What is Bad:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295612/drawing-moral-lines-against-racism-maggie-gallagher

Haha "literal child of the sixties" actually used as a unique qualifying trait.

"(I was born in 1960)"

In the second clause you see the authoritarian spirit at work:

And if MSNBC suddenly came to its senses and fired Sharpton, or if the Justice Department — instead of pandering to Obama’s base about “civil rights” violations — opened up an investigation of the Trayvon Martin race-mongers for the federal offense of soliciting violent crimes, I wouldn’t hand-wring over the specter of tightened constraints on the marketplace of ideas. I would applaud.

Derb was a "heretic." He had to be burned.

I suspect there is some small, but measurable, difference between being let go from a website and being burned at a stake -- but what on earth could it be?

But I almost always learned something from his columns, and, at a time when punditry is increasingly parochial, I appreciated his range of historical and literary allusion (his recent "Duke of Marlborough moment," for example).

that daily caller thing, damn.

- my bike was stolen in a majority-black neighborhood
- "my liberal friend" told me to pray for the thief
- racism against blacks is a fraud
- (my favorite movie was 'in the heat of the night' so i know about race)

When I got home I vented to my friends. I told them I was going to scour those neighborhoods until I found the bike. In reply, a liberal friend gave me a lecture about profiling and told me to just forget about the bike. “That person needs our prayers and help,” she said. “They haven’t had the advantages we have.”

i swear to god this 'liberal friend' pops up in every one of these fuckin articles. i refuse to believe the ppl who write these things have liberal friends.

Q: Hey, you're right, Vibe magazine used to be at 215 Lexington. Are there any black American rap artists you like? Personally I always thought NWA's "Straight Outta Compton" had a good outlook on authority. Also pro-gun.

A: My musical tastes don't venture far from opera.

http://gawker.com/5900452/

i am astounded and weirdly riveted by this fan-hitting and its various responses

also i am curious just how many ppl are aware of it or even know who john derbyshire is

Very few. How many people even know about the National Review?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40188_National_Review_Writer_Robert_Weissberg_Attends_White_Nationalist_Gathering

Some other guy attempts some kind of Derb take:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295625/his-own-standard-jason-lee-steorts

yeah the nr is not important at all a a conservative institution, there are probably as many ilx types who read it for laffs as actual readers

In short, the statistical data regarding race and crime are very poor indicators. Think of a black man wearing a fine suit. Would you presume he were likelier to be a criminal than the white punk with his jeans halfway down his hindquarters? Of course not.

Likewise, if you see two people dressed as Crips, one white and one black, should you presume the white one is "safer"? No, you avoid them both unless it's Halloween.

the fields medal one is a good one

also "i never think about counterfactuals". hmm, bet you're a great mathematician then.

i hope there are some naive NRO'ers that have been shocked by all the savages crawling out of the woodwork to defend derby. surely some of them actually believe that the racism charges against the right are just political ploys, and are now coming to realize that their entire movement is infested.

yeah but you have to wade through six inches of mud to find them

i'd imagine it's more like, okay that may have been a flagrant foul, but he's still playing for my team

Nordlinger points out that the Derb was actually a lib:

I don’t have much patience with John’s critics on the left. Race is almost all-important to them. Not to me. It is one among other important things.

For example, John is strongly for abortion — certainly legal abortion. Does anyone care about that? That view, to me, is at least as offensive as Derb’s views on race. My nearest and dearest, life-long, have been pro-abortion.

Derb thinks that George W. Bush is a moron, and the Iraq War a crime. I doubt his views on these matters differ much from Michael Moore’s.

If not for his views on race — a big “if not,” granted — Derb might be quite welcome on the left. In any event . . .

Nordlicker's sentences are such a pleasure to follow.

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jo-lo.jpg

The NRO would be easier if there weren't all these True Scotsman to worry about

The only NRO post on Derb that sounds written by a human being:

I’ve always thought that conservatives should simply bite the bullet and admit that there are racists among self-described conservatives, and moreover, that these conservatives’ racism is an evitable (that is, unwarranted) extension of the mainstream conservative position on race. But this is true in the same way it is true that there are communists among self-described liberals, and that their communism is an evitable (that is, unwarranted) extension of the mainstream liberal position on political economy. To put this even more forcefully, we have to yield that there is something to it when liberal trolls snark about how tough it can be to distinguish a conservative from a racist. The fact is that both conservatives and racists think that considerations about race should play a much smaller part in our political discourse. And while only racists think that this is so because blacks are less than fully human, it can be tough to get them to admit as much. Until, that is, they inevitably slip up.

"evitable"

Has anyone told him that "evitable" means "avoidable" yet?

Inevitably.