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between derbs supporters and the anti-romney trolls, waiting for comments to be permanently disabled and/or the corner hack-attacked

*munches popcorn*

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

NRO's resident anti-Muslim says things:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295573/derb-andrew-c-mccarthy

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is wrong that what is a day at the office for the Left’s racialists becomes a hanging offense in Derb’s case.

Love how not one of these guys can make it a paragraph or three without the tu quoque. (And not a supporting cite in view.)

To hold or teach otherwise is to prescribe the disintegration of a pluralistic society, to undermine the aspiration of E Pluribus Unum.

Maybe you ain't heard, pal, but 'round here, our motto is IN GOD WE TRUST. None of that wishy-washy togetherness crap for us.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is wrong that what is a day at the office for the Left’s racialists

wtf is this guy on

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

PWNED: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/the-talk-what-parents-tell-their-children-about-john-derbyshire/255578/

(5) Sometimes people will point out to you, "There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners." Sometimes people say things like this because they want to discuss, say, the inherent inequalities in our education system that tilt the playing field against black students. Sometimes they say it because they want you to believe that black people are inherently worse at math. Both conversations are partially about race, but the latter is necessarily racist.

(6) As you go through life, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with racists. Assuming your encounters are random -- for example, not restricted only to racist convicted murderers or to racist investment bankers -- the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means -- the averages -- of many traits are not so different for racist and non-racist Americans. Some people argue that less-educated or poorer Americans are more likely to be racist. This appears to be false, and is sometimes informed by classism, which is not so different from racism.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior by racist people, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many racists feel toward people of other races. Thus, while racist-on-racist behavior is more antisocial in the average than is nonracist-on-nonracist behavior, average racist-on-minority behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of racists -- in my experience, around 0.5 percent -- is ferociously hostile to people of other races and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm them. A slightly larger cohort of racists may go along passively if the point-five percent take leadership in some event. They may do this out of a vague feeling that the minorities have it coming.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never before has an invitation sounded so much like a threat.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Human Events nerd tries to deal with Derb firing, eats own face:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50728

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

A proud history.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Left (Daily Mail and HuffPo)

say WHAT?

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i love how everyone commenting on this controversy has to say that the article is hard to read because taki's servers are weak

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mark Steyn is full of 'regret'

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295591/re-derb-mark-steyn

Raises a great point, though:

If Derb’s piece is sufficiently beyond the pale that its author must be terminated immediately, why is its publisher — our old friend Taki — proudly listed on the NR masthead?

Meantime, Mr. Lowry is something or other:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295592/derb-rich-lowry

I shut off the comments on my posts over the weekend because there was no one to moderate them (so most comments would have stacked up unposted). Have at it, if you haven’t already somewhere else on NRO.

Bookmark and be filled with love!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boy that Steyn piece really gives back:

in an age when shrieking “That’s totally racist!” is totally gay, (Derbyshire) at least has the rare satisfaction of having earned his colors

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was right about the comments on Lowry's bit. Thus:

Rich, as I indicated here and here, I think you overreacted. The fact that Derb jumped across the line he "has long danced around" may (or may not) be due to drugs and illness.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: the link provided by Ned to Andy McCarthy's Corner post.

I think he may be doing a bit of back-covering here. Derbyshire has in the past engaged in email correspondence with self-described racist Lawrence Auster which Derb then permitted to be published at the racist site Auster runs, View from the Right. Sample headline from site: MOB OF BLACK SAVAGES IN BROOKLYN BEATS THREE WHITE MEN WITH BATS WHEN THEY TRY TO RESCUE GIRL http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011160.html

Apparently it has so-far escaped general notice, that Andy McCarthy has been doing precisely the same for the past 5 years, although admittedly he has never broached race as far as I'm aware. He has merely allowed correspondence, concerning Islam and the threat it poses, between himself and the open racist running a racist site, to be posted on said racist site.

Campari G&T, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

drug or illness, how very limousine liberal

bnw, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, the well known reactionary side-effects of chemo

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, the well known reactionary side-effects of chemo

I was gonna say

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have seen versions of that comment, and i think what they mean is "he's gonna die and he's just fuckin going for it now" not "he's become crazy and angry recently"

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Steyn unleashed. Would hate to stand against him.

I am pretty disgusted with NR firing Derbyshire over this. Derb’s article was on Taki’s time, not yours. He is an amazing intellectual (undergoing chemotherapy, no less), and you are playing the cheap games of the left by simply smearing him as a racist rather than engaging his arguments. Have you read the article to which he was responding in kind (External Link )? Derb is not a racist, he is the antidote to this kind of mindless brain-washing to which everyone – everyone – on the left subscribes. John Derbyshire stands athwart history yelling stop. NR is losing its compass.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha for a second I'm like "Uh, Alfred, you okay?" before I figured it was a copy/paste.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

NR is now essentially standing athwart history yelling "Go Ahead!"

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(or even "to the finland station!")

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^^ almost posted that one

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

where's the outrage when its right on right crime

bnw, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

right on right crime

Larry Craig vs a gloryhole

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol i had the same reaction as ned

recent thug (k3vin k.), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I posted this on Mark Steyn's comment when it should have been here on Rich's.

A couple of questions: Rich---did you talk to Derb before sacking him? What advice would you give someone to avoid being a victim of crime if they are white? If they are black?

Seems a basic white guy going into a New Black Panther rally wouldn't be smart. Nor would a basic black guy going to a Klan meeting be a wise choice either. Between those extremes there is a mean--but how do you find that point? With violence on the increase, is not avoidance of situations where one might encounter it a wise choice? What do you use to determine that choice?. What will you advise your children to do to aid them in making wise decisions on where and when to go places so they remain safe?

Would just be curious to know?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know conservatives aren't the only ones who do it but I detest this "Rich" and "Mark" forced familiarity.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"basic white guy" is one for the race/class thread

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"he's gonna die and he's just fuckin going for it now"

This was actually my first thought after I read the Taki piece.

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

With violence on the increase

oh ho

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's pretty basic.

Elsewhere, an opening paragraph of suck:

I've been an admirer of John Derbyshire's writing for at least a decade, though I've disagreed with him on a number of issues (including his village atheist shtick and his intemperate attack on pro-lifers), and was sorry to read about his poor health. His book 'We're Doomed' was a witty attempt to reclaim the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

a witty attempt to reclaim the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism

OMIGOD

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism
the neglected pre-Reagan tradition of conservative pessimism

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

kinda surprised how big this story is getting*. i figured it would be kinda nothing) (*even on the scale of internet fishbowl punditry which i know is v small)

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

This guy!

http://www.observer.com/2012/04/takis-mag-founder-speaks-out-on-john-derbyshire-race-controversy-its-nice-to-be-light-sometimes/

“You know, I was one of the last people asked to write Bill Buckley’s obituary,” the American Conservative magazine co-founder (his partners were Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell) told The Observer. “He never would have done a thing like that…meaning you don’t fire somebody to toe the politically correct line for the neo-cons in Washington.”

“It’s nice to be light sometimes,” the 40-year veteran of The Spectator‘s High Life column said of Taki’s Mag’s sometimes flippant take of the issues. “Especially in America.”

“They (the Review) were in such a hurry to toe the PC line that I don’t even think they read the piece. It just goes to show what a bunch of rats they’ve become to do a thing like that,” Mr. Theodoracopulos continued. “But it makes me happy, because now Mr. Derbyshire is free to go to The Chronicle, The American Conservative, or to us (Taki’s Mag). We’ll split him up, the three of us, I hope.”

We asked if Taki’s Mag pays its writers.

“We pay! Unlike the ‘Greek Pudding’ (Editor's note: We assume he's referring to Arianna Huffington)…and Tina Brown knows…we pay.”

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

“You know, I was one of the last people asked to write Bill Buckley’s obituary,” the American Conservative magazine co-founder (his partners were Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell) told The Observer. “He never would have done a thing like that…meaning you don’t fire somebody to toe the politically correct line for the neo-cons in Washington.”

so what's Pat Buchanan's response?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol @ the editor's note

xp

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Puritans and the Catholics who ran the ecclesiastical courts for the Salem witch trials and the Inquisition, respectively, must be looking at this from the beyond, and saying, "Dam*! You guys don't tolerate a lot of dissent, do you?!"

Derb was a "heretic." He had to be burned. I'd be curious to hear the difference in reasoning of his punishment, if not the method or degree. You just threw one of our crispest, most insightful writers to the lynch mob.

presumably now even crisper

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

hates dark meat though

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

With violence on the increase,

Yeah, goole already called this out but this right here is the perfect encapsulation of the fact free conservative bubble. Reality be damned, I thrive on fear!

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is the daily caller but i dont know where else to put it

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/the-end-of-my-white-guilt/

max, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Down the toilet?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

But you might enjoy this:

http://www.booksandculture.com/articles/2006/novdec/11.21.html

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Comin' up I was confused my momma kissin' a girl
Confusion occurs comin' up in the cold world
Daddy ain't around probably out commitin' felonies
My favorite rapper used to sing ch-check out my melody
I wanna live good, so should I sell dope for a fo-finger ring
Money and them gold ropes
Santa told me if I pass could get a sheep skin coat
If I can move a few packs and get the hat, now that'd be dope
Tossed and turned in my sleep at night
Woke up the next morning niggas done stole my bike
Different day same shit, ain't nothing good in the hood
I'd run away from this bitch and never come back if I could

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

When I got home I vented to my friends. I told them I was going to scour those neighborhoods until I found the bike. In reply, a liberal friend gave me a lecture about profiling and told me to just forget about the bike. “That person needs our prayers and help,” she said. “They haven’t had the advantages we have.”

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are all Daily Caller stories this weird?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 9 April 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

the answer is always to be more racist

and btw disability is just lack of motivation

bnw, Monday, 9 April 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mr. McCarthy is saddened by Mr. Steyn and wishes to clarify things:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295608/no-mark-andrew-c-mccarthy

This, of course, is followed by Maggie Gallagher on What is Bad:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295612/drawing-moral-lines-against-racism-maggie-gallagher

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink


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