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Jonah Goldberg ‏ @JonahNRO

For the record, I find my colleague John Derbyshire's piece fundamentally indefensible and offensive. I wish he hadn't written it.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow when you write something so terrible that Jonah GOLDBERG won't even try to defend it somehow then you know you are out in the far regions of awfulness.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

He weakens his condemnation by needlessly adding the less-than-absolute qualifier "fundamentally". Jonah showing the instincts of a poor writer non-shocker.

Aimless, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

"For the record"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting, that lawyers guns & money post quotes one "salvetusmc" which is a name that has stuck out to me at the corner before

goole, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295514/parting-ways-rich-lowry

"a deeply literate, funny and incisive writer"

"Gunplay" (ft. Gunplay) (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I also loved Lowry's "needless to say," as if Derbyshire had ruined a long history of his magazine not publishing racists

"Gunplay" (ft. Gunplay) (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

loooool

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

please let them leave comments open on that one please please please

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, derb out

rip big man

goole, Saturday, 7 April 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

what will happen to his podcast?

President Keyes, Saturday, 7 April 2012 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is he still on the Post-Election Cruise?

"It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants."

Actually he can't really write wherever he wants as um you are about to prove.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 8 April 2012 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you guys book the cruise I'll join you

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

@kathrynlopez sez not my problem:

Regarding my “deafening silence”: I didn’t write it. I didn’t publish it. I’ve never heard such talk of such a talk.

a-lo, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Followed up with don't bother me with the Derb it's Easter:

Not to be too simple, but it’s holy Saturday and let’s pray for some peace.

a-lo, Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

"i've never heard such talk of such a talk" - is this some biblical allusion or is she illiterate?

Mordy, Sunday, 8 April 2012 04:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh Derbypawe.

the hairy office thing (Eazy), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Derbyshart

improvised explosive advice (WmC), Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

is she illiterate

not entirely, but she certainly overrates herself as a phrasemaker.

Aimless, Sunday, 8 April 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

"such talk of such a talk" is killing me

♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 8 April 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

seriously

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 April 2012 06:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/04/racist_with_an.php

Piece about right wing bloggers rallying around Derbs.

Some tried to paint the corners. Tom Maguire, for example, who has devoted the past few weeks to trying to prove that Trayvon Martin had it coming, said, "a friend of mine (AF) commented that Paul Simon fills Central Park and all is well; Diana Ross draws a crowd and there are near-riots. His thought, roughly - 'gee, go figure.'" The Diana Ross riot was in 1983, and many, many black artists have performed in New York since then without incident. (The Black-Eyed Peas played Central Park last summer and no riot ensued; perhaps Maguire, or "AF," attributes this to the calming presence of Fergie.)

President Keyes, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOLwry may have closed comments on his own post but for the curious there's this thread.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

To you nice married betaboys Lowry and Goldberg, if you think sacrificing Derb to the thought police will save your bacon in the long haul, you're very much mistaken.

the hairy office thing (Eazy), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

NRO's readership thinks NRO is racist but too cowardly to admit it outright. Who are we to disagree with them?

Mordy, Monday, 9 April 2012 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

derbsgate

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

between derbs supporters and the anti-romney trolls, waiting for comments to be permanently disabled and/or the corner hack-attacked

*munches popcorn*

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 9 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

NRO's resident anti-Muslim says things:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295573/derb-andrew-c-mccarthy

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is wrong that what is a day at the office for the Left’s racialists becomes a hanging offense in Derb’s case.

Love how not one of these guys can make it a paragraph or three without the tu quoque. (And not a supporting cite in view.)

To hold or teach otherwise is to prescribe the disintegration of a pluralistic society, to undermine the aspiration of E Pluribus Unum.

Maybe you ain't heard, pal, but 'round here, our motto is IN GOD WE TRUST. None of that wishy-washy togetherness crap for us.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is wrong that what is a day at the office for the Left’s racialists

wtf is this guy on

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

PWNED: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/the-talk-what-parents-tell-their-children-about-john-derbyshire/255578/

(5) Sometimes people will point out to you, "There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners." Sometimes people say things like this because they want to discuss, say, the inherent inequalities in our education system that tilt the playing field against black students. Sometimes they say it because they want you to believe that black people are inherently worse at math. Both conversations are partially about race, but the latter is necessarily racist.

(6) As you go through life, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with racists. Assuming your encounters are random -- for example, not restricted only to racist convicted murderers or to racist investment bankers -- the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means -- the averages -- of many traits are not so different for racist and non-racist Americans. Some people argue that less-educated or poorer Americans are more likely to be racist. This appears to be false, and is sometimes informed by classism, which is not so different from racism.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior by racist people, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many racists feel toward people of other races. Thus, while racist-on-racist behavior is more antisocial in the average than is nonracist-on-nonracist behavior, average racist-on-minority behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of racists -- in my experience, around 0.5 percent -- is ferociously hostile to people of other races and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm them. A slightly larger cohort of racists may go along passively if the point-five percent take leadership in some event. They may do this out of a vague feeling that the minorities have it coming.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Never before has an invitation sounded so much like a threat.

Frank Youngenstein (Phil D.), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Human Events nerd tries to deal with Derb firing, eats own face:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50728

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

A proud history.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Left (Daily Mail and HuffPo)

say WHAT?

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Monday, 9 April 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i love how everyone commenting on this controversy has to say that the article is hard to read because taki's servers are weak

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mark Steyn is full of 'regret'

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295591/re-derb-mark-steyn

Raises a great point, though:

If Derb’s piece is sufficiently beyond the pale that its author must be terminated immediately, why is its publisher — our old friend Taki — proudly listed on the NR masthead?

Meantime, Mr. Lowry is something or other:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295592/derb-rich-lowry

I shut off the comments on my posts over the weekend because there was no one to moderate them (so most comments would have stacked up unposted). Have at it, if you haven’t already somewhere else on NRO.

Bookmark and be filled with love!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boy that Steyn piece really gives back:

in an age when shrieking “That’s totally racist!” is totally gay, (Derbyshire) at least has the rare satisfaction of having earned his colors

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was right about the comments on Lowry's bit. Thus:

Rich, as I indicated here and here, I think you overreacted. The fact that Derb jumped across the line he "has long danced around" may (or may not) be due to drugs and illness.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: the link provided by Ned to Andy McCarthy's Corner post.

I think he may be doing a bit of back-covering here. Derbyshire has in the past engaged in email correspondence with self-described racist Lawrence Auster which Derb then permitted to be published at the racist site Auster runs, View from the Right. Sample headline from site: MOB OF BLACK SAVAGES IN BROOKLYN BEATS THREE WHITE MEN WITH BATS WHEN THEY TRY TO RESCUE GIRL http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011160.html

Apparently it has so-far escaped general notice, that Andy McCarthy has been doing precisely the same for the past 5 years, although admittedly he has never broached race as far as I'm aware. He has merely allowed correspondence, concerning Islam and the threat it poses, between himself and the open racist running a racist site, to be posted on said racist site.

Campari G&T, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

drug or illness, how very limousine liberal

bnw, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, the well known reactionary side-effects of chemo

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, the well known reactionary side-effects of chemo

I was gonna say

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have seen versions of that comment, and i think what they mean is "he's gonna die and he's just fuckin going for it now" not "he's become crazy and angry recently"

goole, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Steyn unleashed. Would hate to stand against him.

I am pretty disgusted with NR firing Derbyshire over this. Derb’s article was on Taki’s time, not yours. He is an amazing intellectual (undergoing chemotherapy, no less), and you are playing the cheap games of the left by simply smearing him as a racist rather than engaging his arguments. Have you read the article to which he was responding in kind (External Link )? Derb is not a racist, he is the antidote to this kind of mindless brain-washing to which everyone – everyone – on the left subscribes. John Derbyshire stands athwart history yelling stop. NR is losing its compass.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha for a second I'm like "Uh, Alfred, you okay?" before I figured it was a copy/paste.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

NR is now essentially standing athwart history yelling "Go Ahead!"

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

(or even "to the finland station!")

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 9 April 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink


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