― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:49 (9 years ago) Permalink
― David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:09 (9 years ago) Permalink
some time last autumn i had a funny turn :
falling in love with the cocteaus again.
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 17:23 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 20:18 (9 years ago) Permalink
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:07 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Seb (Seb), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:49 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:50 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Bimble (bimble), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:03 (8 years ago) Permalink
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:31 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:30 (8 years ago) Permalink
― iang, Monday, 31 January 2005 07:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:52 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:03 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:06 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:52 (8 years ago) Permalink
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:59 (8 years ago) Permalink
my heart just broke
― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:19 (8 years ago) Permalink
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:26 (8 years ago) Permalink
I have only heard Heaven Or Las Vegas. Wouldn't say classic, because I have to be in the right mood for her *glossolalia*. But it sure is pretty music.
― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:30 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:06 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:16 (8 years ago) Permalink
There must be UK dates, surely.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:27 (8 years ago) Permalink
mdma
together
― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:27 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
As for possible artistic directions, I could imagine a piece driven by Fripp Soundscape and Frisell Loops with electro-acoustic drum work By Pat Mastelloto, some electronically treated harmonized trumept lines by Nils Petter Molvaer, some excentric fretless bass work by Mick Karn and, beautiful piano/synth treatments courtesy of Ryuichi Sakamoto. I could think of may other possible directions, but this is just off the top of my head. All in all I still think she has the potential to surpass even the greatest cocteau twins moments, given the right environment.
― Cliftonb, Friday, 6 January 2006 05:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
I JUST RIPPED MILK & KISSES TO MY IPOD THEREFORE I RULE OKEETHNCXBYEEY
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
underrated album, that
― stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
The last one I bought was Four Calendar Cafe, but I think I heard Milk & Kisses once. Perhaps I should seek it out again.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Violaine" is one of my favorite late-period Cocteau songs -- it stands up to the best of Heaven or Las Vegas, easily
― stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 09:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
This is the one Cocteau Twins album I actually had sex to.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
intentionally?
― stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:18 (4 years ago) Permalink
Oh my god if Cocteaus could ever forgive you
Meanie!
Tell the X Mal Deutschland fans to go fuck it all.
Cocteaus happiness.Quisquose.
I'm gonna sic the vinyl on your ass. I'm trying to peaceful, but...sorry.
EAT THE VINYL
EAT IT
Oh shit
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 4 January 2009 08:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
In a certain celebrity mailout this appeared...
'The reason the Cocteau Twins' comeback last year didn't happen is because even though Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser had put their differences to the side (clue - £££££) Liz insisted that her partner be the drummer on the tour. Fine.
All was going well until Robin got pissed, looked through the tour expenses and saw that Liz's partner was getting paid a bit more than the other hired hands. He went batshit mental, rang up Liz and told her that this was outrageous and that he shouldn't even be getting paid AT ALL as Liz was making money and so her partner "didn't need to be paid".
Liz basically said (in indecipherable made-up language no doubt) she couldn't take this and if Robin was kicking off even before the tour started, it could only get worse. So she walked and that was it - reunion over. She apparently walked away from "millions".
― If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate (aldo), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Good for her.
― Masonic Boom, Friday, 24 July 2009 13:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can understand being annoyed that he's making MORE than others but not getting paid AT ALL? Fuck that.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not getting paid at all, says an anonymous secondhand source.
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah there's an obvious grain of salt there but still.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.
― Turangalila, Friday, 24 July 2009 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview
And we do all grow older:
Looks v. elegant!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"
The hell.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)
Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
And of course this was beautiful
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'll take any excuse to repost this:
― sleeve, Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOL just saw this.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
that 'song to the siren' performance is awesome!
i did watch the other guy's video of her doing 'pearly-dewdrops drops' from the same set tho and yeah her voice is barely audible on the chorus
― half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 00:15 (9 months ago) Permalink
the guy's other video*
Glad you all had such a good time. Maybe just the sound in Bath was that bad, Liz' nerves affected her performance, etc etc.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 05:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
Somebody on DiS saying that the sound was better last night than on Monday, so maybe Bath was just the first step on an evolving route. Wish I'd gone to one of the London shows now.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 09:39 (9 months ago) Permalink
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/07/elizabeth-fraser-review?newsfeed=true
― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 10:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
I feel oddly conflicted watching that "siren" youtube clip. She loooks like someone's granny in that outfit, but I remind myself she's always dressed in an endearingly oldfashioned way so I cant o_0 about it now.
I see aldo's point now though; she really isnt making any attempt at all to belt a note, going purely off that clip (not that this song was ever one where that was the case). It isnt disappointing: the frippertronic guitar was gorgeous, and it was an arrangement I really liked! But she really wasn't a powerhouse like she used to be. I will be fair though, its been a very very long time since she last performed and cut her a break, people get older etc.
Even for her recent milder singing that was very subduded. Curious.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 10:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
Watching that other guy's clips, the new songs are way better for her new singing. Its like David Sylvians recenter stuff. I always said those two should work together.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 10:35 (9 months ago) Permalink
ugh the Athol Brose one tho. Backing singers! Pipe down!
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 10:42 (9 months ago) Permalink
The mix from my seat was just right wrt the backing singers; they were barely noticeable and were only shading and echoing and augmenting. I did think at the time, if Kate Bush hasn't toured for 30 years because (amongst many other reasons) her studio vocal arrangements were too complex to reproduce live, then here's a solution. I was pretty alarmed at the idea of backing vocalists (when we've all come to hear The Voice) but it totally made sense.
Yeah, one or two Cocteaus songs were pretty pedestrian, but it was all about the new stuff, which is so much richer that anything she's put her name to since about 1988 and, at the same, really not Cocteau-like at all.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 11:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
I think the issue might be what you touched on, with her its about The Voice - regardless of the music vehicle - and that shouldnt remain the case, really. I did really like those new arrangements! I was reminded of Sylvian and Dolphin Bros and even Porcupine Tree, a bit.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 11:13 (9 months ago) Permalink
I am now pondering her workign with King Crimson, and that way madness probably lies.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 11:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
that song to the siren is amazing. performance was very david sylvian, band-wise. I think I would have died at this gig.
― akm, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 22:03 (9 months ago) Permalink
That performance was like watching Dame Judi Dench Goes Ambient. Cathartic Liz Fraser always thrills me. Precious Liz Fraser? Sort of bores me.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 9 August 2012 04:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
I don't know - it was both precious and cathartic at the same time? I've seen Lost Highway too many times so a certain Lynchian trippiness came into it for me as well, more or less uninvited :) Also think youtube doesn't quite do it justice...
― lynshrooom, Thursday, 9 August 2012 09:50 (9 months ago) Permalink
Dame Judi Dench Goes Ambient
i would buy ten copies of this record
― half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Thursday, 9 August 2012 17:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
dame can dance
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
Ain't that a smack in the calfskin.
― Andy K, Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:28 (9 months ago) Permalink