The Boo Radleys, Classic or Dud?

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wilder? what is the appeal of that piece of crap? when i heard it i though ' gee what an anti-climactic way to end a great album'.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

I've heard them on several occassions and found them to be really weak and unsatisfying. Classic example of really wanting to like a band but not being able to. I don't know exactly what it is, they simply never made a spark for me. Maybe I need to give them another chance.

Clarke B., Friday, 16 May 2003 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

Their cover of Zoom is ace, as is Almost Nearly There. Wasn't too mad on Oh, Brother, What's In The Box or Wish I Was Skinny for some reason. Thought they were too straightforward for me.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

I played all the albums again after reading this thread and came to the slightly unexpected conclusion that I actually like Kingsize best of them all - if they lopped The Future Is Now off the end and maybe Monuments For A Dead Century, it'd be 100% glorious streamlined pristine pop thing which adds weight to the "pastiche-is-NOT-a-dirty-word" argument.

I love the Boo Radleys again, now. Hurrah!

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 23 May 2003 08:41 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I have just bought Kingsize and on first listen, what strikes me is that
"Kingsize", the track, borrows from Sheena Easton's James Bond theme song, "For your eyes only". Does anyone else hear the 007/Bill "Rocky" Conti influence?

Cheers!

paul c, Monday, 23 June 2003 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

Everything's Alright Forever arrived this morning. I'm about to dive in.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

Ha, I changed my earlier opinion. Bought Everything's Alright Forever used and am really enjoying it... I must've heard some of their later stuff or something.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 24 June 2003 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

I just got "Giant Steps" back from my sister after she borrowed it for months on end, and after listening to it again I have solidyfied my theory that it is the greatest album ever.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

Damn, I need to get Everything's Alright Forever. Especially considering that the excessive repeated play of one of the songs on it gave rise to the term "Carolanning".

Search: Boo Faith and the early EPs compilation
Destroy: everything post Giant Steps

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:23 (twenty years ago) link

Here's one on vinyl, kate.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:29 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks but I've not got a record player any more!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:30 (twenty years ago) link

Oh well.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

sucks to be you. even the big box stores here in american suburbs have 'em for about $100.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

Aren't they one of those groups whose album covers got increasingly hideous as their music got increasingly lame?

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, you're mean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

B-b-but Ned I said I really liked EAF! And I'll buy Giant Steps too and the early EPs as soon as I find 'em!

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

Rah. :-) Let me know if there's anything you can't dig up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

Dud cuz one of the members used to shag the friend of my sister who i had a crush on

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Boos were/are totally classic. So there. (Borne out by most of you, nuff said.)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

And I say again - great band! I don't think anyone has mentioned 'Learning To Walk', which was a great collection of groovy tunes.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

a great collection of groovy tunes

best recommendation ever

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

I thought I did. But not by name cause I couldn't remember it.

kate (kate), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:23 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I've heard that theirs a pair of giraffes hidden in the cover art of Giant Steps, can anyone point them out?

T. Weiss (Timmy), Monday, 4 August 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

Bottom corner; right-hand side, I think.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 4 August 2003 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

i don't see em! where are these elusive quadrapeds?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

They're really tiny and squeezed into a corner; they are there, trust me!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

oh I see them! Bottom left hand corner folks, extra small inside the biggest "petal" of the orange border.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

I shall investigate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Just thought I'd remind everyone that I still think they're the best band of the 90s by a country mile. Inspired by a digging out of my b-sides collection which is awesome and possibly their best collection.

Please, for the love of god, if you love music buy "Find A Way Out". You'll be very pleased.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I have never seen this thread before but been on ILM for less then a year.

When I first heard that they were going to put out the anthology Find The Way Out, I decided to go back and play every album to get ready for it. Worth buying because the remastered songs sound just a bit richer. I would play only one for a solid week or longer then on to the next one. I Love them but was going to be honest with myself and if anything didn't hold up I would have to admit it. Are they really the best band from the 90s bar none? Well I was going to find out.

Learning To Walk was still some glorious white noise. Everything's Alright Forever has some amazing pieces of music on it. They matured quite a bit from those first three E.P.'s, but not the greatest thing. Compared to other things around this time that was similar it's really good but compared to the Boos stuff, sub par. Still really don't give much thought behind Ichabob And I despite owning it.

I was absolutely floored on my rediscovery of Giant Steps. I have played other albums by them moreso recently and haven't played it for a while. It really is their White Album and should be the one that they will be remembered for. So many things ideas and sounds are put on to this record. Truly a masterpiece that many fans say they never were able to touch again. Have loved reading what Martin and the fans have written about this album on the web site. There are some hard-core fans of this very album, astonished to hear that. Some of what Martin wrote about the sound of this album: "I just listened to the album now in headphones for the first time in an age and I can hear Surf's Up/Smile/Pet Sounds, Spiritualized, Suede (well, Bernard Butler), The Flaming Lips, London Calling by The Clash (I think all the dub on the album sounds like the people who made it hadn't heard an awful lot of dub music) Moose, Dinosaur Jr, Sugar, MBV, Forever Changes by Love (of course), Goffin/King, New Order, The Beatles, Spacemen 3, Gershwin. It all sounds very old fashioned to me but that's from a distance of ten years, I could never make an album like that now. I heard Os Mutantes about seven years later and realised that we hadn't done anything that hadn't been done before. I wanted everything to sound like a bootleg, like the Smile CD that we listened to so much in those days, with mistakes and talking and all that stuff but I don't hear as much of that as I thought I would." http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giantsteps

Next came Wake Up! which I like to call their Beatles album. A stage they needed to go through at the time. It's the least sounding Boo Radleys album that they made but was surprised because I enjoyed more then I remember. Better than most Britpop albums around this same time but give me my band back.

I wanted loud, I wanted aggression, I wanted creativity, I wanted C'mon Kids. The record buying public hated this album after the last one. I couldn't be any happier; this is what the Boo Radleys were all about. Maybe throwing in too may ideas on each song but a song like "Bullfrog Green" takes my breath away.

There are times in your life where certain albums mean so much to you that it's impossible to put into words. Kingsize is one of those albums for me as it came along at the perfect time. It seemed to speak for me and not just about me. There is no other album I have played more since its release in late 1998. One flaw is that "Free Huey" doesn't work and I skip it each and every time I play this album. I guess "The Future Is Now" is sort of out of place as well and would be a much stronger closing with "Song From the Blueroom" but I don't mind at all. About a year later I bought the U.S. version of this album for one extra song called "Put Your Arms Around Me and Tell Me Everything's Going To Be OK." It seemed to be the perfect song to close their story. This album is the most misunderstood album of theirs but it's by far the most rewarding.

So yeah classic, everything and that is not going into some of the best B-sides of any band. Hope to see remastered versions of these albums some day along with the B-sides story that needs to be told. Band of the 90's and happy the quit when they did and didn't keep putting out stuff past their peak like it seems SFA have done.

"Just a simple song but God I love it. Embedded in me, so bittersweet. I'm addicted, I'm a melancholic. Sing it again. I'll be your friend forever."

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate myself for saying that - because I used to love them - but I can't listen to them anymore because of the dullness of the vocals.

snowballing (snowballing), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 08:07 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I've just bought Giant Steps, and it's great (the Butterfly McQueen-Rodney King section is joyous beyond compare), but my favourite song on it is one I've never even seen mentioned in any review of the album (or on this thread): the quite unbelievable 'I've Lost The Reason'. The last minute or so, the distorted vocals, the superb lyrics, the DETUNED OPERA SINGER that pops up for about a second during the carnage...whoa yeah!

Next stop...probably EAF.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Funny, I've just bought Giant Steps too, and it's freaking amazing.

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

this is the sound that defined, to my mind, the term indie in the 90's. this is the best and worst that can be said of giant steps. martin carr aspired towards brian wilson but ended up sounding like the wedding present with one extra effects pedal. a bit tragic as far as sonic advancement is concerned, but i admire the ambition,; however unrealised.

edger stewert (edger), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

that's silly.

keyth (keyth), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i agree.

edger stewert (edger), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I also disabree.

Hey, I like that mistype!

Anyway, as I said on the "celebration" web page, I packed it after Giant Steps as it did everything I wanted to do musically. I note it did not inspire many bands to be as musically adventurous. How could you 'copy' being individual? Who could follow it?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

the Butterfly McQueen-Rodney King section is joyous beyond compare

OTMFM. Just this little section was enough to affect me enough as a teen to change the way I appreciate music for ever. You have no idea how much I love Giant Steps. As for "I've Lost The Reason", I always saw it as part of a triumverate of songs along with "Best Lose The Fear" and "Take The Time Around". For some reason these sound like they were written to sit next to each other.

It took me a long time to realise how sad and depressed the lyrics were to "Wake Up!" and I'm only just getting round to this fact with "Giant Steps". I guess GS is a concept album in nostalgia, uncertainty, being 23 - that stage between being a young adult and an adult when people won't take you seriously despite all your greatest ambitions. "Wake Up!" is a concept album about being 25 and being granted your independence and having the world as your oyster, but still feeling somehow unsatisfied with this pseudo-utopian setting, revealing itself to actually be a bigger burden than you had expected. And of course it's all set to the most wonderful offbeat psychedelic pop music.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Haberdager - Everything's Alright Forever, despite being a fine album is very different to Giant Steps. Don't get me wrong, it's a great little shoegaze gem, but it only goes to show just how great Carr's tunesmithery and ambition had come along between the two albums. Great leaps and bounds indeed.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Hargh! I'm so pleased people on ILX are discovering and enjoying this album even today. I was worried it would have aged or be slated for being naive or pretentious (as often it is) but I am really glad you guys liked it. I'm listening to it now just to celebrate. Really, I don't think anyone's done anything with the kind of pop ambition and scope since Giant Steps. Not the Beta Band nor Beck nor Animal Collective, they've all come close but never so beautifully blended, referenced and genre-hopped so effortlessly and at the same time written such heartfelt words as here and on Wake Up!.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It's such a wonder I never tried to get any of my IRL friends into Giant Steps. I guess it's because I know their instant reaction would be "Wake Up Boo! Oh noes!" which if I didn't know better would be my reaction too. I think next time I have them over, I'm going to put this on and turn it up loud!!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

re: 'I've Lost The Reason'

Woops, my mistake, I thought you were talking about "If You Want It, Take It". No this song is a goodie and it kinda points towards how they'd sound on "Wake Up".

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Baby's gone but there'll be more I'm only 23"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 08:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"25, don't recall a time I felt this alive"

Heartbreaking reallly.

I should one day learn to shut my gob about the Boo Radleys.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

much closer to dud than classic for me, i agree with edger stewert in sentiment if not exactly in statement.

bad hair day house (fandango), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Up thread (more than 5 years ago scarily) I said C'mon Kids was their best record and that the Brave Captain stuff was all great. I'll retract both those now.

Realised a few years ago that I was so wrong and Giant Steps was their crowning acheivement and I'll echo everything dog latin has said, brilliant record. It was Martin's lyrics that pushed them over into greatness for me though right enough. Also the whole thing of them dreaming of being pop stars and being on TOTP as kids, actually acheiving it then realising it was crap whilst writing about this in the songs. Brilliant.

I've lost track of Brave Captain though I did like the first few releases. Saw him live at King Tuts and got to talk to him a bit on his first solo tour and he was a thoroughly nice chap and happy to give credit where it was due to the other guys in the band, didn't seem to be any animosity. He also played an absolutely blinding gig. Mind you, also saw him a year or two later with a different (inept) band and he was shit and since then I don't think I've listened to any BC stuff at all.

mms (mms), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

classic b-sides..."Foster's Van", "Touchdown Jesus"...still think "Everything's Alright Forever" was the watermark, though...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud (Hab 'C' dEva)

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I totally forgot about Foster's Van. What a track!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
friday 23 february
1800-1900 est / 2300-0000 gmt
as part of wzbc's test pattern series
dj ning nong presents a one hour special on the boo radleys
listen locally on 90.3fm in boston, ma, usa
listen to live streams on www.wzbc.org

the next grozart, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on Spotify, so looking forward to listening tonight.

Bee OK, Friday, 9 June 2023 16:36 (ten months ago) link

Is this Giant Steps tour going to be any good without Martin? The London gig hasn't sold out yet so I could possibly go, but I'm not convinced.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 9 June 2023 22:30 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, it’ll be great

PaulTMA, Friday, 9 June 2023 22:42 (ten months ago) link

The last album to me made some sense as it had a Boo Radleys sound. The problem with that is you no longer have Martin Carr who's the real genius. I grew to like the album and played it many times last year. This album is different, not a 180 turn but a turn nonetheless. It was strange as I felt like it had no guitar's until about 3/4 through it. These songs are just different so it's throwing me for a loop.

Bee OK, Sunday, 11 June 2023 03:05 (ten months ago) link

Just seen their first set (they're coming back out to do Giant Steps in a bit). First time I've seen them since 1992.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:42 (ten months ago) link

Sounds like fun. I got to see them back in the day and even at Lollapalooza.

Wish I was there and looking forward to your review.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:07 (ten months ago) link

That was actually really good. Glad I went.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 22:15 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Qldx37Gz8

PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 June 2023 22:28 (ten months ago) link

A belated review of sorts (of the London gig). Sice had got the stage times wrong (which he apologised for) as he got them mixed up with the following night, so they came on at 8pm for the first set instead of 8:30pm and I missed the first 20 minutes or so. Everything I heard from this set was new (either from the new new album or the one a year or two ago) so I didn't know them, but I was surprised to find I quite liked these songs. The exception was The Finest Kiss, which they closed with. As you can see from Paul's video above, they were augmented by a pretend Martin, which solved the missing guitar sound problem that had been making me reluctant to go to the gig originally.

The Giant Steps set later was pretty faithful to the album and did a good job of recreating the sound live (e.g. the feedback sounds at the start of Upon 9th and Fairchild). They played nearly every track: Sice announced mid-set that they would be missing out 'the shit noisy one' and asked 'how many people really want to hear Run My Way Runway?' - the answer was a lot of us, so he said he'd go and get a hoover and mike it up as this would do the job. It was largely in order apart from a medley section (can't remember exactly what was in this - One Is For definitely, maybe Spun Around and Best Lose The Fear). They messed up the opening to If You Want It, Take It twice before finally getting it right and then Sice got the chorus wrong (singing the second bit twice instead of "there's nothing bright about being undecided"). The only problem sonically was that Tim was singing the "do you know my name before you tear me apart? do you care who I am?" lines from Rodney King and it was almost inaudible, which was odd because his backing vocals were clear most of the rest of the time. I was surprised at how many people were there and the band seemed delighted by the audience response - broad smiles on their faces at the 'ba-ba-ba-ba's from the crowd during Lazarus. I took little video clips, but no whole songs. If I can be bothered I could stitch them together and put them on YouTube, but don't hold your breath.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 16 June 2023 21:51 (ten months ago) link

Still not sure how I feel but came across this:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/the-boo-radleys/eight-review

Bee OK, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 07:04 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Just found this sublime acoustic version of Everybird from a couple of years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kovwtpD26ng

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Sunday, 30 July 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link

Rob playing bass AND a bit of hi-hat too? Nice!

Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 12:07 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Why is C’mon Kids not on streaming?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:02 (seven months ago) link

are you also in the USA? might have something to do with Mercury records’ rights

brimstead, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:40 (seven months ago) link

It's on Spotify in the UK, um, kids .

Mark G, Friday, 18 August 2023 05:39 (seven months ago) link

Boo

Bee OK, Friday, 18 August 2023 20:38 (seven months ago) link

At it not being on Spotify US

Bee OK, Friday, 18 August 2023 20:39 (seven months ago) link


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