The Thread Where We List The People Who Put Kanye As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2004 list

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At least he put Kanye above Radian. They're BORING.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The name Radian reminds me of a lost Gastr Del Sol off-shoot band or something.

I hate *perfect* top tens. I hate all of the above lists because they don't contain any *quirky* choices. Gimme a list that has Junior boys *and* Celine Dion in it!

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan Carter, Prefixmag
1. The Futureheads, S/T
2. Animal Collective, Sung Tongs
3. Nirvana, With The Lights Out
4. Tomorrow's Friend, Area 41
5. Night Rally, The Elegant Look Of New
6. Kanye West, The College Dropout
7. Arthur Russell, The World Of Arthur Russell
8. Arthur Russell, Calling Out Of Context
9. 808 State, Prebuilt

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

But Kanye's a well-chosen token, like Sidney Poitier or Lester Bangs (Meltzer tagged him as The Biz's token wild man). xpost "that's grime!" Dizzee grime is grimey rap; GRIME(Rephlex comp) is something else, and no doubt ditto lots of stuff on approx infinite Grime 2004 thread. Linkin Park is not everything wrong with rock; their wrongness is their own (walking on the rap-rock dinosaurette tarpit, but still.

don, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned stole his Linkin Park/Depeche Mode connection from me (I hope, cuz I'd be all proud)!

Sorry, dude. ;-) Simon Reynolds was the one I first read making the connection, and I think Dan and I were saying the same thing on here a couple of years back.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! and he is kanye. Ask Byron Crawford.

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/721308_kanyewest3_200x200.jpg

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

People still hate Depeche Mode?

You'd be surprised. I think, however, their numbers are in some cases quite literally dying off.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Arcade Fire, Funeral

If the Arcade Fire got one US dollar for every 500 words written about them in newspapers and blogs in 2004, instead of their royalty check, they'd have more than enough money to buy a new accordion and party dress for Regine.

George Smith, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is that Joe Panzner list really 'indiecentric'?

a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip/Usher/Ludacris

oops. missed this one. sorry.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

Kicks delivered to the body of a dead horse, maybe.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I stole your bit!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

err so improv = indie? ok

a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if it sells even less than indie, its indie.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Me! Me!
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 30th, 2004.

RIGHT HERE IN RIVER CITY!

1. Junior Boys - Last Exit - Kin (16 points)
2. Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse - Geffen (13 points)
3. Phoenix - Alphabetical - Source/Astralwerks (13 points)
4. Bark Psychosis - Codename: Dustsucker - Fire (13 points)
5. Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender - Drag City (10 points)
6. Luomo - The Present Lover - Kinetic (10 points)
7. Erlend Oye - DJ Kicks - !K7 (8 points)
8. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (7 points)
9. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fat Cat (5 points)
10. United State of Electronica - United State of Electronica - Sonic Boom (5 points)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, I forgot USE as well! But then again I think it's more accurate to say I just couldn't fit every album I wanted to in there, only ten slots and all...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

How about singles lists? 'Cause, y'know, I took those into account a year ago. When I first had the idea. Which, in retrospect, was fucking stupid. Do you want to be fucking stupid, Miccio?

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(See, it's cute when Miccio does it because he's being tee-hee ironic!)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

You know it, whiny!

Also from the ilx p&j thread, Raymond Cummings!

1. Graham Smith - Final Battle - March/What Are (15 points)
2. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fatcat (14 points)
3. Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse - Elektra (13 points)
4. Walkmen - Bows & Arrows - Record Collection (12 points)
5. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (11 points)
6. Fiery Furnaces - Blueberry Boat - Rough Trade (9 points)
7. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - The Doldrums - Paw Tracks (8 points)
8. Sightings - Arrived In Gold - Load (7 points)
9. Green Day - American Idiot - Reprise (6 points)
10. Yellow Swans - Bring The Neon War Home - Narnack (5 points)

Actually, does Graham Smith rap on the new album? He's rapped before. I really want to hear that thing.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, I'm sorry if I sound overly pissed off or defensive here, but That Whole Outkast Thing more than any other moment soured me towards the attitudes of the vast majority (or at least the loudest complainers) of ILM and basically made me more or less persona non take-seriously around here. I'm trying to reform myself, y'know, but it's not easy when I get the idea that the people I'm trying to have discourse with are grudge-holding snotnoses.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, what grudge could I possibly have? I just think token lists are kinda funny! And admittedly not all of these are as perfect as that CNN one. Chill out, man! Relax.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a good thing I don't have any Kanye in my list, I so loved having to justify my tastes last year. :(

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Not necessarily saying that you have a grudge, but reopening this old wound isn't helping anyone. I must've made a dozen enemies from that thread alone, and reminding ILM of what dumbshittery it was ain't helping any.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, most of my list is white people, but it's SIX different nationalities of white people!!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

nate for what it's worth
it was worth discussing then
and discussing now

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, if you don't like me reopening this old wound, you can lump it. This thread is helping me laugh hard and get through a very boring day at work. Get a sense of humor and stop worrying about your damn cred.

I don't have any Kanye on my list cuz that guy has one of the assiest voices in rap history. I kinda hoped (p.s. my token rap album is Bumblebeez 81) would keep people from getting defensive.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Quoth Budget Klosterman, so shall it be done

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(Sorry, I'm a dick.)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

And NOTHING can keep me from getting defensive. I'm like a shorter, white Ben Wallace with worse hair and a higher tendency to shove people.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, you're getting all Soul Asylum, you want somebody to shove.

and hey registering complaints about something isn't the same as actively hating, etc., etc.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, ALL MY FRIENDS.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

don't apologize, Nate, being compared to a guy with two national mag columns and a book deal thanks to obviousness and privilege is quite alright with me. I think the one time I ever got offended by something on ILX was when I mistakenly thought gear or n/a or hstencil or whoever was comparing me to Brent DiCrecenzo. I almost shot myself.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

so, what is worse?

listing the token rap album or just not listing any rap/hip-hop at all

i know that no rap album is even close to my top ten of 2004.

(i have trouble liking the full albums, but i love hip-hop/rap singles)

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

you list your favorite albums of the year and don't sweat it. yippe yi yay.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(t0dd, were you by any chance eating in a Burger King with a friend in Wicker Park last...Thursday night?)

.adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(because if you were, I walked right past the window and recognized you from your photo)

.adam (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

and if your favorite albums of the year are genuinely

The Arcade Fire -- Funeral -- Merge
Interpol -- Antics -- Matador
TV on the Radio -- Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes -- Touch & Go
Air -- Talkie Walkie - Astralwerks
Sonic Youth -- Sonic Nurse -- Geffen
Brian Wilson -- Smile - Nonesuch
Ron Sexsmith -- Retriever - Nettwerk
Animal Collective -- Sung Tongs -- Fat Cat
Modest Mouse -- Good News For People Who Love Bad News -- Epic
Kanye West -- The College Dropout -- Rocafella

then you might want to open a window

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

you list your favorite albums of the year and don't sweat it. yippe yi yay.

Most true. For instance, I'm not giving Miccio beatings for not listing the Siouxsie B-sides box set in his list EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEARLY MORE GENIUS THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING oops there I go again...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i never accused you of that, miccio! there's not many people I'd stoop low enough to compare to Brent DiC(k).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

There was no hip-hop in my top ten, or my top twenty for that matter.

I was too busy filling it up with token ambient and drone albums.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, Ned, my friend Jefferson was playing me some tracks circa Tinderbox recently and they're way better than "Peek-A-Boo" or whatever. I'm pretty curious to hear more Siouxsie. I only know like four songs.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

and if your favorite albums of the year are genuinely [list] then you might want to open a window

Nevertheless, I won't be the least bit surprised if all ten of those albums make the P&J top 20.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, very cool -- Dan and I will school you or something. (Dan's fave Siouxsie album is Tinderbox so that'll help!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Nevertheless, I won't be the least bit surprised if all ten of those albums make the P&J top 20.

Even Ron Sexsmith? Nyurgh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I just realized that my 'token hip-hop' album on my top 10 list is Showtime and that the only U.S. hip-hop album I really loved this year came out in 2001. I had no idea.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

holy fuck adam. i was hahahahaha

we had just been at reckless down the street

weird.

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Simon Warner, PopMatters:

http://popmatters.com/music/best2004/041228-warner.shtml

The Killers, Hot Fuss
Elvis Costello & the Imposters, Delivery Man
The Libertines, The Libertines
The Gang of Four, A Brief History of the Twentieth Century
Hope of the States, The Lost Riots
Amy Winehouse, Frank
Kanye West, The College Drop Out
Interpol, Antics
Patti Smith, Trampin'
Divine Comedy, Absent Friends

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

is there anything to kanye's album beyond the singles? unless soemone proves me wrong i will just assume this is the tracklisting:

"look at me i am in a funny bear suit (skit)"
"ouch, my jaw hurts"
"i r dumb (skit)"
"slow jamz"
"college girls be fat (skit)"
"all falls down"
"all i got at college was this backpack (skit)"
"jesus walks"
"i was robbed at various award shows" (new bonus diss skit)

artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Midnight/Tornado"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Slow Jamz"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "quicksand jesus"

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"1000 Umbrellas"

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"wasted time"

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

best hijack ever

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

mention of cunnilingus = immediate hijack

mention of analingus = immediate lojack

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

people ask me why it's hot when Miccio and Blount fight, and I say because there's always the chance that they might kiss

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

PLATFORM CHUCK TAYLORS!

DEAR LORD.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, how many of you like the same music as your wife/girlfriend? (Or, if you don't have a girlfriend, for "girlfriend" substitute "fuckbuddy" or "the woman you stalk.")

MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link


"Dom Passantino once discussed Jackass with Douglas Coupland ('that little guy on the skateboard? Oh, I love him'), and had to repeat everything twice to Jamelia during an interview because she didn’t understand his accent. His interests include gambling, swearing, and stalking."

Pardon?


MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

...

Come Again?, Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

lol

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 November 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link


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