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Dan, on a Prefects note I spoke to Apperley&Lloyd on Friday - your name came up, they are looking forward to the Prefects CD. Try and catch the Nightingales when they go to the USA - spectacular! The current line-up is virtually the Prefects (Lloyd, A. Apperley, Duffy) + Pete Byrchmore and a new drummer. They're absolutely fearsome now - highlights included Don't Blink, How To Age, Down in The Dumps and a 10+ minute Glam epic.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

hey candy, sorry you think it's retarded. These are some serious issues that some of us talk about and deal with every day and there isn't an easy answer.

Dave...the Prefects CD is going to be HUGE, relatively speaking! We've got some serious PR behind it and the early feedback has been fantastic, i.e. many many music magazine in the UK and US will be running reviews/articles etc. That's no easy task, getting this stuff in the press. As mentioned before, I have the 2 new Nightingales singles and while the first one I thought was pretty good, the second, Workshy Wunderkind, just totally kills and has made me all the more excited. I've worked before with the fellow who is booking the Nightingales tour here so I'm involved with helping find opening bands and such and will help promote the shows in NYC. I'm very much looking forward to their tour.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

and I'd be most happy if they played The Crunch!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dan, is this Prefects CD the one called "Amateur Wankers" that's supposed to be coming out on 15/11?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

That is the one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

It shall be mine!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

yup...The Prefects are Amateur Wankers will be Acute CD (ACTCD007) But it's coming out 11/15, because we're americans!

btw, if anyone was really geeky and curious, yes, I use the convention ACT007 because it sounds like FACT007.

There's a one page article about Acute in the latest issue of XLR8R magazine, the "New York" issue. Good info all around.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

**and I'd be most happy if they played The Crunch!**

They should do - it's in the current set.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

This whole thread is fucking clown shoes, and the only thing that makes it actually sad is that some of you are taking this shit seriously. I think I'm actually the impetus behind Derek putting those songs on his webpage, 'cause he was talking to me about them over AIM and I told him to post the mp3s on his webpage so I could hear them. Well, Derek's a busy guy, so I was actually able to get some of their singles off the 'Bay before he posted them on his webpage (that's how hard I back the Erdman.)

Personally I'm glad he posted them, 'cause now I get to hear the songs until cheapy vg- copies of the singles come up. I don't do soulseek, or see the real advantage of taking part in file sharing. CDrs suck and I never listen to them no matter how good the music is. That and the sound quality of a lot of that stuff is unlistenable if you're a monkey like me and can't "upgrade" your technology to a reasonable leve. I just take people who I can trust's musical advice, and I guess that's where I learn about a lot of groups I get into. I guess it's good for younger kids trying to get into music who don't have a very big disposable income, but people wearing band shirts and names dropped in thanks lists always did it for me back when I had a $20 a month allowance.

Basically, all I'm seeing here is a bunch of nerds with sand in their vaginas (and someone who doesn't know who Ian Mackaye is, with some Ray Cappo references to boot) 'cause their stock in cool points goes down when more people get into obscure bands with oop records. Unless you were in the band I can't see the reasoning behind assuming how they'd feel about some guy making their songs public domain. I suggest everyone listen to "Street Justice" by the Cro Mags and realize what's really important in life.

M. Colin Tappe, Sunday, 10 October 2004 01:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

And oddly enough I wrote some DB reviews for a local 'zine. Are you guys gonna complain about that too? Here 'tis if you're interested:

DESPERATE BICYCLES “Occupied Territory” and “The Medium Was Tedium” singles (Refill Records, ’78, ’79). I heard about DESPERATE BICYCLES through a friend of mine, and I trust this guy’s opinion on music so much that even though I had never heard DB before, I didn’t think even twice about dropping the $50 it took to get both of these from a UK seller. Honestly, it was one of the best recent record purchasing risks I’ve ever taken, ‘cause these singles hit me really hard. I guess the best way I could describe DESPERATE BICYCLES music would be to have you imagine THE FALL if they were worshipping old ESP Disk “folk” groups (THE FUGS, GODZ, HMR, etc.) instead of CAN. Think really top notch authentic UK post-punk, but lacking any of the obnoxious pitfalls that genre is often guilty of (artistic pretension, watered down lyrics snatched from LOU REED’S wastebasket, aggrandized sense of importance, and general whiney, explicitly anti-rock and roll mentalities). DESPERATE BICYCLES stand head and shoulders above the competition by actually writing good songs which were rich in melody, but also very minimal in arrangement and experimental in their production approach. Take the farfisa and tambourine driven “Medium Was Tedium” single contrasted to the lofi borderline-garage punk of “Skill,” contrasted still with the languid and schizophrenic flipside “Occupied Territory.” These guys cram more original ideas in one song than most bands do in their entire existence, but somehow the songs really are pleasant to listen to without remotely being obtrusively avant-garde like many of their peers.

It should also be noted that DESPERATE BICYCLES wrote lyrics which will give anyone involved in pressing independent records, or seriously pursuing any form of artistic expression, for that matter, a serious hard on. Two of three songs on these two singles DIRECTLY relate to the do-it-yourself ethic of making music. This line from “Skill” pretty much sums up the DESPERATE BICYCLES ETHOS: “You don’t need skill, just the desire/the interest and desire to do what you believe in,” and of course the “It was easy it was cheap GO AND DO IT!!!” chorus/battle cry of “The Medium Was Tedium” speaks volumes as well.

As it stands there is no DESPERATE BICYCLES anthology, or singles collection. The records have never been repressed (to my knowledge this is as per the band’s request) and to my knowledge never even bootlegged. If you find any of their stuff (they had about three or four other singles and an LP) expect to pay a fair price for it, but trust me, it’s a rewarding investment.

M. Colin Tappe, Sunday, 10 October 2004 01:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't do soulseek, or see the real advantage of taking part in file sharing how is it you have a negative view of file-sharing but support posting the music online?

cause their stock in cool points goes down when more people get into obscure bands with oop records

You're really directing that sentiment to the wrong group of people. Please tell me you're not aiming that at me in repsonse to my posts above.

And can I make the obvious analogy. If you specifically told the public you didn't want anyone to repress the best of M. Colin Tappe Greatest Hits CD, but somebody went ahead and did it without your permission, AND is making money off of it, that'd be perfectly cool?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 10 October 2004 07:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Basically, all I'm seeing here is a bunch of nerds with sand in their vaginas (and someone who doesn't know who Ian Mackaye is, with some Ray Cappo references to boot)

That someone was me. Does that mean I don't have SIMV? Anyway, my point being Ian Mackaye is not and has never been in the Desp.Bikes, so his opinion, which I share, is not necessarily the DB's standpoint.

I actually don't know who IMcKaye is anyway, and Ray Cappo is also lost on me. But that's not important. Is it?

mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for putting them up.

I've only heard 'The Medium Was Tedium', and now I can hear the rest of their songs.

If a remastered CD comes out I'll buy that.

Who's losing money (apart from Derek E) out of this, you fucking naysayers.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 11 October 2004 03:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'll repeat. The band do not want their music to be released. So long as the demand is there, unsavory people will likely want to bootleg it. The more easily accessible the music is, the more likely it is people will illegally profit from it. This has already happened and I hope it won't happen again. You can make an argument that if someone wanted to bootleg it they could've just done it from the records...but that's not how it happened. The person who was selling it didn't do so untill they got a copy of a CD I made. It doesn't matter that you'd buy the remastered CD. The remastered CD doesn't exist because for whatever reason, the band doesn't want their music on the market at all. I hope people download the songs and enjoy them. I just hope more people don't start selling copies.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

That makes absolute sense. There seems to be no harm in downloading the work for yourself or for passing it onto a few friends. In fact you're creating demand for a future re-release (Ok - it might never happen, i agree). Selling it and profiting from others work against their wishes is wrong.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

dave, my point initially, when I argued against posting, is that putting it online just makes the likelihood of a bootleg non only more likely, but practically inevitable.

It's a shame that there's certain music that people can't here because the records are prohibitively expensive and there is no cheap reissue, but that doesn't make it ok to go against the bands wishes. The fans don't have some kind of right to the music that supercedes the artists desire to not have their music out there for whatever reason.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but they did release it themselves, back in the day...

I dunno. I hypocrit cuz I downloaded the tracks? Maybe they don't want to be looked on as 'historical' or what they do nowadays would be 'spoiled' by 'immature daubings' or whatever?

I dunno, I havent played it yet.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Play it. Actually I think Smokescreen/Handlebars is possibly the greatest single ever. And 'Remorse Code'is clearly the best album ever made.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

I had "Advice on Arrest" on a peel show I taped back in the day. For some reason, I wondered if Tony Ferrino should have updated it in a Primal Scream "Rocks" kinda way.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

advice on arrest from a peel session or just peel playing the record? Well after I made my initial desp bikes CDs someone sent me a Desperate BIcycles peel session, but Advice on Arrest wasn't one of the tracks, I don't think. However, there was a fantastic song called Teacher's Prayer that doesn't appear on any of the records.

They did release it then, and they have the right to not release it now. Releasing it then doesn't make it public domain. As I mentioned above, there's lots of grey areas...I never said nobody should be allowed to hear them, I've probably done more then anybody in spreading their music because I thought people should hear these great records, all the time confident that the people I was giving these CDs to would buy the records given the chance and would def. buy a reissue should it happen. I was just naive enough to think nobody would bootleg it. They did, and I felt guilty and still do, so now I fall on the side of not freely trading music that doesn't belong to me. Or I'm more likely to make mix tapes then compile "The complete..." because once you do that, it just makes the bootleggers jobs easier.

For a few years now there's been someone selling Prefects CDs of Peel Sessions and live stuff, as well as tons of other punk stuff, all at considerable profit. I hope even people who are aware of his site still find it worthwhile to buy Acute's forthcoming Prefects CD, if only for the liner notes and the fact that money will go to the band.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I await the Prefects one... (Gemm doesn't even have the records...)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

There were only the 2. First Rough Trade helped them release a picture-sleeve-less single featuring 1 song from each Peel Session. Going Through the Motions/Things in General. This pops up every now and again and can be found in the 5 to 20 dollar range. Later, the second Peel Session was released by Strange Fruit on both cassette and LP in the 80s. This seems even more rare, I hardly ever see it. Those 5 songs, plus the other 3 songs from the first Peel session, plus 2 live songs, plus 20 pages of liner notes w/ GREAT photos, including appearences by Palmolive and Mark E. Smith = Prefects are Amateur Wankers. Early feedback from the press has been beyond fantastic, so expect to see a ton of reviews and write-ups in both the US and UK over the next few months.

I even got a copy of the CD directly to Duran Duran's PR agent who said she'd give it directly to John Taylor, as they grew out of the same Birmingham punk scene. Haven't heard back from Mr. Taylor yet though! At the least I hope he'll find it a kick, in the nostalgic sense.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can say, being one of those press writeup folks, that the disc is indeed a treat. AMG review should run in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

thanks!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

when can i buy the prefects cd?

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

also all the tracks posted were at 96 kbps so i hardly think anyone is gonna bootleg them

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

it'll be out November 15th and will be available everywhere. Our favorite method involves going to the Acute shop over at Carpark records

http://www.carparkrecords.com/acute_US.html

or buy it from our distributor Mordam, or Forced Exposure, Other Music, whatever your favorite retailer is. iTunes and other trustworthy digital downloaders as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

well i think i will get it from the acute shop along with the theoretical girls cd.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

thanks, enjoy!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

((The more easily accessible the music is, the more likely it is people will illegally profit from it.))

I might be pretty dumb, and I don't understand this.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

a band doesn't want their music out there. only so many people know about them and have their records. so far none of those people have decided to put all their songs on a CD and sell it for their own profit. I was the most avid preacher of the wonder of the Desperate Bicyles, and had I not turned many people on to their music, maybe somebody would have still bootlegged it. But fact is whoever did bootleg it, got it from someone, who got it from me, and I feel bad about that. I was a full on 100% fan of the concept of music trading and CD-burning and the such until things like this started happening. Now I'm not so sure.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 06:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

((The more easily accessible the music is, the more likely it is people will illegally profit from it.))

Sasha, you are correct in your disunderstandment.

If the music is more accessible, more people will get it from the 'free' source, and less people will illegally profit from it. Hray.

But, if the music is more accessible from a free source, the list of people who will not profit from it includes the original artists. Boo.

So now I have the CD, I most probably would not buy the properly remastered version. But I probably would not have anyway.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 08:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait....Shhhhh....Why are we all talking about this band? Someone might hear about them, get their music somehow and then make a *oh dear god no* BOOTLEG!!! Think of it, 1,000 more pieces of music of a band most people wouldn't understand anyways! And just imagine the small tropical islands one could purchase with the profits they'd make off of a CDr with photocopied sleeve! My suggestion is that we forgo this "interweb" deal and all future communication about this group should be handled by sending eachother smoke signals, or perhaps in the future a highly developed arcane morse code would be in order. The less people know about a band, the less likely it is that they'll make bootlegs of the music. I really think we should look into this.

M. Colin Tappe, Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

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mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 October 2004 06:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Keeping up the Nightingales/Prefects presence on this thread, there's a review of the Shrewsbury gig here :

http://www.headheritage.co.uk/headtohead/show.php?show=message&id=229475

The reviewer doesn't seem to know who's in the Nightingales, apart from Robert Lloyd, but correctly guesses that Alan Apperley is a lecturer.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe how much crap I'm getting for defending a band who have stated that they don't want their music re-released and suggested that it shouldn't be available for free. Let's screw all ideas of ownership and copyright and just put every sone by every artist online and available for free download. I'm going to quit the record business alltogether now, what's the point, really?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey now, be of good cheer sir. The Prefects review is up on the AMG, for instance.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

thank you ned, your check is in the mail...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

YAY MONEY.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hah! I always knew there had to be something crooked about the way all those album ratings are decided at AMG!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Astounding!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Colin, how did you like that Sloth cdr i made you?

chris gilles, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dan, the problem people have with your argument is that:
1. Derek Erdman is not making money/bootlegs
2. You are holding Derek Erdman responsible for potential money/bootlegs people might or might not make from the mp3s he posted. That's silly.

Derek Erdman is not responsible for the actions of people who are not Derek Erdman, except the hordes of slime-gods who reign in the center of the Earth, of whom he secretly has control.

mype ness, Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Without that site, I wouldn't have heard those songs, which I like very much.

You don't think I should be allowed to hear them, so up yours Mr. Selzer-Water.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 15 November 2004 00:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dan, the problem people have with your argument is that:
1. Derek Erdman is not making money/bootlegs
2. You are holding Derek Erdman responsible for potential money/bootlegs people might or might not make from the mp3s he posted. That's silly.

Please then tell me why we have any copyright laws whatsoever?

You don't think I should be allowed to hear them, so up yours Mr. Selzer-Water.

Please, more people have heard of the Desperate Bicycles because of me, in some small part in addition to the likes of Johan Kugelberg, Chuck Warner, Richard Mason etc. I have spent the better part of the last 5 or 6 years making people aware of the Desperate Bicycles, I don't take kindly to the suggestion that I don't think people should be allowed to hear them.

Copying the music for someone you may know personally, and making it available to anyone who has access to google, I think are two different things. I never apologized for the hundreds of Desperate Bicycles CDs I made for people...untill I saw somebody selling them. I still make copies of the CD for friends and people I trust.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Without that site, I wouldn't have heard those songs, which I like very much. You don't think I should be allowed to hear them, so up yours Mr. Selzer-Water.

wait. you downloaded this? you are nothing but a common criminal

john'n'chcicago, Monday, 15 November 2004 01:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

dan selzer is a credit to the music freek community. i praise him and his collector/maven ilk.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

well people! after reading all of this stuff i feel somthing should be done to bring what i did in the late 70s to the music lovers of today. i am still an equal part in refll recs so there must be a way. I was apart of the desps for 3 yrs and to think that it cant be bought or listend to legally is piss pot? it was done to inspire then and it can do so again. please culd everyone who would like this to happen e mail me with your support. maybe i will be able to get somthing done many thanx to all
dave papworth

dave papworth, Sunday, 21 November 2004 18:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

got the 4 "reissue" 7"s today
first single is Smokescreen/Handlebars on one side & Occupied Territory/Skill on the other, 2 great singles for the price of one.
second single is Medium Was Tedium/Don't Back The Front on one side & 2 tracks from a Peel Session on the other, a slower & more together sounding version of Smokescreen & (i'm assuming) Teacher's Prayer (the sleeve & label have no info at all!)
third & fourth singles are pretty straight repros of New Cross & Grief Is Very Private with sleeves changed/added. have to say stylophone/bass/drums is a great idea for a band lineup.

zappi, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Rough Trade (and a few other places) are currently selling copies of the Remorse Code LP which are supposedly from a legit warehouse find. It's £24.99. I bought one but I'm now wondering if I'm just falling for a ruse to sell a bootleg at an inflated price.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 09:31 (11 months ago) Permalink

"warehouse find" often means bootleg but it seems odd that rough trade would go to the length of saying These albums look and play as new but you have to remember they are from 33 years ago. You will not find a better copy if they weren't genuine. do you have a copy or are you waiting for it to arrive? the 7"s that were bootlegged have a sheen on the sleeves that the originals didn't have and this might be the case with this if it isn't actually original.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 09:42 (11 months ago) Permalink

i just bought one so i guess i'll find out soon enough.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 09:49 (11 months ago) Permalink

not sure who actually found them but Paco from La Vida Es Un Mus was selling these online the other day. would be p surprised if he was engaging in any underhand monkey business. decided not to buy one cos I can't rly justify (to myself) either spending that much on an LP or flipping it for a profit

when I was Ted Croker man I couldn't picture this (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 October 2013 09:53 (11 months ago) Permalink

Paco sells bootlegs all the time but I guess he doesn't normally claim they aren't bootlegs, just doesn't mention that at all.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 10:00 (11 months ago) Permalink

yeah that's what I figure

when I was Ted Croker man I couldn't picture this (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 October 2013 10:07 (11 months ago) Permalink

Oh, to Stirmonster - no I don't have the copy yet, I just ordered it via mail order.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 11:13 (11 months ago) Permalink

I was sorely tempted, but since I found that VU single I've been, um, sort of, is 'satisfied' the right word?

Mark G, Friday, 11 October 2013 11:46 (11 months ago) Permalink

...aaaand order cancelled as product is no longer available

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:01 (11 months ago) Permalink

same here.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

and sold out everywhere else too. bah!

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:03 (11 months ago) Permalink

Hmm, what are the chances Paco still has a couple of these in his gig distro box... I may be going to one of his gigs tonight...

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

more of a desperate buy cycle amirite

gotta lol geir (NickB), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:12 (11 months ago) Permalink

I didn't want it anyway.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:14 (11 months ago) Permalink

Oh great, I just saw this. Three hours and sold out? Bahhhhhhhh.

emil.y, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:19 (11 months ago) Permalink

And £24.99, while not cheap, is not an awful price for originals, seeing as reissues tend to go 'full artefact' and cost easily that much these days. Obviously if it's a boot then it's a rip-off.

emil.y, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:20 (11 months ago) Permalink


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