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i see you and raise you this one:
eric clapton did not write, i shot the sherrif.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Monday, 26 April 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
― briania, Monday, 26 April 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― briania, Monday, 26 April 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
And Counting Crows = tedious crap. Game over!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
No. Peschek read my ILM comments last week re. indignity of reviewing Bay City Rollers, rang me up and tried it. I told him not to. And as I'm now writing for Time Out, not writing for Uncut doesn't bother me at all.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 April 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― briania, Monday, 26 April 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago) link
― NRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link
― NRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
i couldn't quite work out why clapton was on the cover of a newsstand publication in the 04 == who gives a shit about clapton?!?
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
-- ENRQ (miltonpinsk...), April 26th, 2004.
hence my slamming ead against monitor.
the observer mm has had chris blue writing for it - arguably the biggest imbecile to turn on a word processor. it is bad.
marcello working 4 time out is a good thing. he will make it better, as i saad, by a long fucking chalk, without even having to metaphorically get out of bed. my experiences with it, not good, though.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
i wonder whether there is any connection between the current return to the headlines of all these pivotal moments in the creation of the cultural side of the New Right - Clapton's comments, the announcement today that HBO are to make a film of the Stones' 1967 drug busts and the events that followed (personally i reckon Rees-Mogg defended them when he wasn't expected to mainly because he didn't have the deep and profound cultural Americoscepticism of many other conservatives of his generation and ilk, cf his comments on Bush and Iraq), BBC4 showing the Scorsese documentary on the influence of the blues on mainly southern middle-class Brits - and the fact that we are a week away from the 25th anniversary of Thatcher's election.
― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 26 April 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, I was rather irritated to see Uncut filled with nearly 30 pages IIRC on the man... Ironically, the same day I read the Uncut, I was going through some very old Q's (dreadful magazine, generally speaking) in the house and, flicking through, chanced upon an interview with Phil Collins from 1995 or 1996 in which Collins referred to a friendship with Clapton and IIRC said they'd both been talking about Powell supportively. Was a bizare coincidence to come upon this on the same day, and it has ever more turned me against Clapton; whose own music has always bored me anyway.
― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 06:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 09:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link
1. It's really kinda tatty to misrepresent private conversation between us in a public forum. When I realised that you - a regular freelance contributor to Uncut - had been slagging off the magazine and, at one point, me by name, called you immediately. Responding to the somewhat self-dramatising thing you'd said about 'maybe my time at Uncut is coming to an end', I said: "Marcello, when you're good, I really like your writing. However, the swiftest way to 'end your time at Uncut' is to continue post unprofessional shit about the mag and me on messageboards.' What was it you posted: "He tried it and I told him not to." Oh, please. Grow up man.
2. As I later wrote to you, you've had a substantial amount of work from me, including your first Album & Reissue of the month. It seems sad that you're so unconcerned about the end of a relationship with the first publication to give you print work.
3. I asked you to review the Bay City Rollers reissues because, as I told you, I felt you were one of the few writers who could provide some kind of insight and perspective without being cattily dismissive. That's hardly an 'indignity.'
4. Uncut isn't perfect. We exist in the marketplace, with all the vitiated imperatives that implies.
5. You also need to understand that if you intend to work in anyway in print media, you will have to follow a bassline of professionalism: one of the things this means is that if your editor asks you to tweak a line, you don't throw your toys out of the pram. Often it means that they're actually bothering to engage with your work, which is actually a compliment.
6. You also need to realise that Time Out and Uncut are very different magazines, and that if they are willing to run your copy unchanged, that may be for a whole range of reasons, and not simply because they see it as tablets of stone. I will be interested to see whether you're still as enamoured of TO in 6 months time; remember, 6 months ago, you were very happy to be working for Uncut.
7. I mailed you and said the door was still open here, but that you had to reply. You have chosen instead to continue this brittle carping. It is your choice that Uncut's reviews section is no longer home to your occasionally glorious subversion. I think that's a shame.
David
― David Peschek, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago) link
― briania, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link
(btw, uncut was not the first publication to offer me work)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link
i like what robin has to say upthread in regard to clapton and, much more so, i would say, jagger
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link
― thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link
It speaks volumes, too, that you're unable to respond to the many positive points in my original post.
Oh, well, that would seem to be that.
Apologies to everyone else for this dreary exchange. It has depressed me hugely.
― David Peschek, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link
He said it from of Stephen Stills and Bonnie Bramlett, he claims to wind them up - what with him being a real hardcore punker and all (chortle). To her eternal credit, Bonnie Bramlett walloped the little weasel.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link
He said it in front of Stephen Stills...
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link
(Could someone with a UK law degree give some legal perspective on this on the moderator board?)
(oops xpost)
― MODERATOR (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
if his comment wasnt well received, he would never have apologised.
― thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link
wasn't it 'blind, ignorant nigger'?
as for the carlin/uncut dust-up.....Jesus H.Clapton.
― ..., Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Jesus H. Clapton, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link
Wait they asked HIM to tweak the line and he got pissed off?
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
!!!
― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link
Everything else OTM.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 6 May 2004 09:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Paul O. Wright, Monday, 2 January 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I know this is a thread about Eric Clapton and what kind of racist he might be, but what was the purpose of qualifying 'cleaning lady' with 'Puerto Rican' in that statement? Does it mean that the fact that she is Puerto Rican contributes to her being dumb?
If so, isn't this whole thread a case of the pot calling the kettle... err... black?
Back on the Eric Clapton-racist issue, I'm a darkie and a fan of some of his music. He is a deeply flawed and stubborn person, which makes him a good bluesman.
I think some of the following facts are of interest when considering his Enoch Powell remarks:
1. In 1967 in an interview with Rolling Stone, he stated that he's uncomfortable with the idea that people concern themselves with his views on anything other than music as that is all he knows anything about.
2. He lives in Antigua in the Caribbean for most of the year (surrounded by darkies), where he founded and still runs the Crossroads drug & alcohol rehabilitation centre - and offers heavily subsidised treatment for local Antiguans.
3. One of his best friends was George Harrison, possibly the least racist person ever born.
4. He once made the following remark when asked about Hendrix in the late 60s: "everyone and his brother knows that spades have big dicks". Does that reveal some kind of insecurity not only about his playing (which was widely publicized) but in sexual matters too? His early goal as a guitarist, he has revealed on many occasions, was to sound like a black guitar player - and until Hendrix's arrival in London, Clapton did the best impersonation of one. Then with Hendrix on the scene, he though 'who needs an impersonation now that they have the real thing?'. The stupid thing about this was that Hendrix came to London specifically to meet Clapton, a hero of his. Clapton soon overcame his insecurity enough for the two of them to become great friends.
5. Clapton loves black music (obviously), and not just the blues, but rock n' roll, rhythm n' blues, soul, reggae and some jazz.
6. He's been out with black women, including Naomi Campbell - as people above have pointed out.
7. For the past 20 years, most of his band has been black.
8. When he first arrived in America, touring with Cream, he spent the entire trip speaking in a faux Southern cotton-picker accent.
9. He was a junkie.
10. He was an alcoholic.
11. He quit every band he was ever in as they were getting big or bigger (even Cream).
12. The best music he did was pre-heroin.
12. He was best friends with George Harrison but that didn't stop him from 'stealing' his wife.
13. He married George Harrison's mrs only when his manager informed him that was what he was doing as it would be good for his image at the time.
14. He treated Patti Boyd (Harrison's ex) like crap the whole time they were married, and only began to regret it after they were divorced.
15. I think the most interesting thing about his Enoch Powell comments is that he's done a complete turn-around to explain what he meant by his comments. I think that's better than an apology in a way because it shows how wrong he thinks 'the keep Britain white' mentality is.
― Syd Knee, Friday, 10 February 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link
you've never met ethan trife.
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Richard Armstrong, Friday, 26 May 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/eric_claptons_disgusting_racist_tirade
― pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Thursday, 11 April 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
refers to this thread in the article.
were those quotes in that article reported at the time?
― ۩, Saturday, 3 May 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
Looks that way, as Rock Against Racism was formed, at least in part, in response to them:
Originally conceived as a one-off concert with a message against racism, Rock Against Racism was founded in 1976 by Red Saunders, Roger Huddle and others. According to Huddle, "it remained just an idea until August 1976" when Eric Clapton made a drunken declaration of support for former Conservative minister Enoch Powell (known for his anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech) at a concert in Birmingham.[2] Clapton told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony". He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the wogs out, get the coons out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".[3][4]Huddle, Saunders and two members of Kartoon Klowns responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's comments, which they claimed were "all the more disgusting because he had his first hit with a cover of reggae star Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff" ... Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black. Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!". At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they report that they received hundreds of replies.[2]
Huddle, Saunders and two members of Kartoon Klowns responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's comments, which they claimed were "all the more disgusting because he had his first hit with a cover of reggae star Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff" ... Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black. Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!". At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they report that they received hundreds of replies.[2]
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 3 May 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link