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the bonus tracks on "einsjager" are pretty nice. personally, i hate digipaks but this was the one popul vuh release we didn't have.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 19 June 2004 05:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually, listening to the title crack of Aguirre right now, and I can hear the vinyl clicks. Jees, and they licensed this from Fricke's family, too! Guess the original tapes are long gone...

I believe they are. Bounus tracks?!??!?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 19 June 2004 14:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'll have to listen more carefully at the bonus stuff, but I thought on an incidental listen (I wasn't paying full attention) that "Wo Bist Du?" on Einsjager is the same as the opening part of the mammoth-length track on Aguirre.

Disappointing if that is true, especially since as it is their albums are already pretty notorious for shuffling around (or re-recording) the same music on different albums.

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 21:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

cool thread. due to lack of money, i've only managed to get "in the gardens of pharao/aguirre" cd on celestial harmonies. it's sort of a compilation i suppose, but everything on it is good and it seems like a good place for beginners since it's cheap. songs on it are: aguirre, in the gardens of pharao, vuh, and spirit of peace pts.1,2 and 3.

i've seen just about all of herzog's films at least once. 'signs of life' is really pretty good. i had no idea that florian was in 'kaspar hauser', and that he's in some of my favorite scenes in that film. the guy who plays kaspar hauser, bruno s., is also in another of herzog's called 'stroszek' which is pretty good too.

― urker, Saturday, 19 June 2004 22:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Stroszek is fantastic. All hail the dancing chicken!

In Kaspar, Fricke looks uncannily Beethoven-like, as if he had stepped right out of the Romantic era...

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Even more confusingly "Wo bist du" is the title of a track on "Der Nacht der Seele". But still no sign of the music for "The Great Ecstasy of the Woodcarver Steiner"? It must exist somewhere surely?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I got some of these--at "my" Newburys--and they were $12! ARG!

― John 2, Saturday, 17 July 2004 18:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I picked up 5 of the new reissues last week:

Affenstunde
Agape/Agape
Einsjäger und Siebenjäger
Hosianna Mantra
Aguirre

They are very good, and I A/B-ed them with my Spalax issues, and the new ones sound a bit (though noticeably) better - more "open" sounding, perhaps. some of them are vinyl transfers by the sound of it. Pretty well done, though not as good as the transfer on High Tide's "Sea Shanties, for example. They all come in little gatefold cardboard sleeves w/a little booklet. It appears that there are only 2 booklets, going on the ones I have - one for the regular albums, one for the soundtracks. Some of the blurb in the booklets is OK, but it's a little unsatisfying in some way. There are some good pictures, including a few I hadn't seen before. the bonus tracks are generally good, though the one on "agiurre" sounds suspiciously like one of the regular album tracks with a sampled ethnicky percussion loop overlayed, which sucks. The extras on "Einsjaeger..." are the best, 2 little pieces in the Hoheleid Salomos/Letze Tage..." style, IE more of the same, but bore of this same = more of what I want. I am REALLY looking forward to picking up "Das Hoheleid Salomos", "Letzte Tage Letzte Nacht" and "Der Nacht der Seele", because they are my favourites. I'm also interested to hear what's on "Cobra Verde" because I remember there being tow different versions of this when it came out.

I found myself getting faintly annoyed at how little Danny Fischelsher got mentioned in the blurb. That seems unfair somehow.

It would be good if they also issued "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Gawd, I wish I could type better.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

I was wondering if the bonus tracks were any good or not. There's a whole album of Popol Vuh vocal music that was released privately in the mid-to-late 70s (can't remember the title) - where has that disappeared to I wonder? Plus there's film music that's never been released.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Pick up the "Einsjaeger..." reissue if you see it and see what you think.

I should also point out that all the reissues I bought have the proper dynamics, IE they haven't been loudness-maximised. Honestly, I was so relieved about this that I had a lump in my throat! (true!)

A little while ago, I also picked up the reissue of "shepherd's Symphony" (or whatever it's called) from the same series. It's really bad.

Also Also Also!!! ! I tried to play my CD of "For You and Me" the other night, and it had self-destructed!! All the metal foil had come away from the plastic disc!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Agape-Agape" and "Spirit of Peace" both sound really crap, I hope they re-master those albums

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

The "Agape-Agape" reissue sounded pretty good to me, though I didn't have that one on Spalax anyway, just my old vinyl copy. My CD of "Letzte Tage..." sounds pretty horrible to me, great though I think the music is.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

The production on "Letzte Tage" is very odd, incredibly dense, I think that's deliberate, 10,000 guitars on every track

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

WTF was I thinking? I listened to "Agape Agape" on headphones last night, and it sounds like shit!! It sounds like they did a vinyl transfer, and there was a big knot of fluff on the needle! Man... I guess I must have listened to it quietly when I first got it. It's such a good album as well...

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

the original spalax CD sounds like that too... hope it's not on the master, though it probably is, "Why Do I Still Sleep" sounds like a very personal recording of a solo that just had the mood, so got included...

been listening to Nosferatu a lot recently. I would rate that one much higher than dadaismus does, but I rate the spare minimal electronics much higher, and think they balance out the other lovely band parts... actually I'd even say it's a good place to start for the atmospheric side of the band. With Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte being a good place to start for the transcendental heavy rock side.

― (Jon L), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Listening to Hosianna Mantra now, want to check out Letzte Tage.

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

The bonus tracks on "Einsjaeger" are, in fact, two minutes worth of "Take the Tention High" from "Spirit of Peace" and a entire track lifted, unaltered, from "Nacht der Seele". Oh well, thought it was too much to hope for actual unreleased material.

― Dadrock, Meshach and Abednego (Dada), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think it wmight be a musicologist's dissertation in the making: cataloging the repeated material of the PV discography and finding out the actual musician's credit and instrumentation for each album...

― Joe (Joe), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I think it's time for me to start exploring PV. My local shop only has 'Nosferatu' and 'Agape Agape'. Which one should I get first? Or should I hold out until I find the earlier stuff?

― Baaderonixx cancels each other out (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

of those two, definitely Nosferatu -- the last two tracks on Agape are fantastic but otherwise not the best intro

seriously, dadaismus' pocket reviews up there are gold, though Nosferatu & Aguirre are two of my absolute favorites precisely because they mix the electronic & rock sides of the band so well, some people don't like the minimal moog solos

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

deebz OTM way up thread with "aguire"

i haven't heard that much of their stuff, tho.

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ian, get one Einsjager & Siebenjager!

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

I would hold out. Get one of their earlier albums...

― Joe (Joe), Thursday, 21 July 2005 00:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Know what I love? Sei Still, Wisse Ich Bin. I think it's a later album, but it's something else.

and I'd like to second Florian's appearance in Kaspar Hauser. Heartbreaking. Kaspar listens to Florian play the piano, never having experienced art and music and it's power before, and says something along the lines of "why does my heart feel so heavy?"

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 03:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Affenstunde is fabulous; I've had an LP of it for about 30 years, and I found the original CD of it in Germany, probably '92 or so - it's been re-issued? Great.

― SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

So in the end, I managed to find Letzte Tage Letzte Nacht. Not at all what I was expecting but its pretty fantastic.

― Baaderonixx cancels each other out (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 July 2005 13:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

okay i went nuts this weekend and bought a shitload of these reissues from a tower records. i was so happy to find them all in one place so i got:
aguirre
in den garten pharaos
affenstunde
seligpreisung
letze tage, letze nachte
hosianna mantra

so i'm listening to the first in the list, aguirre, on headphones and... WTF THERE ARE LOUD VINYL POPS ALL OVER THIS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't even want to listen to the others now. all i can think about is the money i shelled out for SHITTY VINYL TO CD TRANSFERS.

― amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

okay i've calmed down a tiny bit. i just compared aguirre with this cd comp i have featuring an aguirre track. the sound quality is def. better on this rerelease, the stereo range esp., but that popping and crackling... could it actually be on the tape itself? so far "in den garten pharaos" sounds incredible.

― amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

AFAIK, all "Aguirre" releases are semi-bootleg, I don't know that Florian Fricke ever sanctioned any of them - in fact, he said, regarding the original album, that somebody had "stolen" the tapes and put them out without his knowledge (likewise the "Yoga" album). I don't know if any of these CDs are from original master tapes, I don't know if the original masters of the music from "Aguirre" even exist anymore.

― Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 11:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

thanks! i was worried that these were all going to be like those Fall cd rereleases that were straight from vinyl, skips and all. i listened through the rest of the cds and the only other things i heard pops on were the two "in den garten pharaos" bonus tracks.

i'm really amazed at how good these albums are. and i've only got about half of them. apparently when you line all the cds up the spines will form an image which i believe is the same one of fricke on the back cover. the repetitive booklets seem kind of lazy but whatever.

anyone notice how Black Dice sound like "Affenstunde"?

― amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm also disappointed about the general booklets and the complete lack of album specific content...
I got Letzte Tage, which one should I go for next?

― Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Einsjager", "Das Hohelied Salomos" and "Herz aus Glas" are in a similar (rocky) vein

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

where can the full "spirit of peace" thing be found? is it on a rerelease?

― amon (eman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

as Dadaismus mentions upthread, many Popol Vuh fans await some of the unreleased? music from the films Aguirre and The Great Ecstasy Of The Woodcarver Steiner. THE tune I want (have wanted for 20+ years since I first saw Aguirre) features in both, if I remember. it appears in Aguirre while the roiling river is shown - as the relentless chaotic grind of nature burbles furiously - eternal suspended out-of-time chords like a bowed guitar effect (volume control fade-ups?) sound. this same music opens Steiner, soundtracking his slow-motion flight.

the music for both films is credited to Fricke. and it's easily possible to imagine this piece made by Popol Vuh, although it doesn't sound quite like anything else I've heard by them. could it be the piece is by someone else? (if so, ideas please?!) however, similar chords seem to sound in some more Vuh-like music that appears later in Steiner - so maybe it's just an intro to a longer piece.

due to the number of comments all around (check internet) about unreleased Herzog Popol Vuh, I'm guessing the same piece struck a chord with others...

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if there's a place on the web that has Popol Vuh's lyrics? I want to figure out a line that Fricke is singing on one of the songs on Seligspreisung...

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.venco.com.pl/~acrux/selig.htm

1. "Selig sind, die da hungern
Selig sind, die da dürsten nach Gerechtigkeit
Ja, sie sollen satt werden." 5:59

2. "Tanz der Chassidim" 3:12

3. "Selig sind, die da hier weinen
Ja, sie sollen später lachen." 5:07

4. "Selig sind, die da willig arm sind
Ja, ihrer ist das Himmelreich." 3:10

5. "Selig sind, die da Leid tragen
Ja, sie sollen getröstet werden." 3:39

6. "Selig sind die Sanfmütigen
Ja, sie werden einst die Erde erben." 2:30

7. "Selig sind, die da reinen Herzens sind
Ja, sie sollen Gott schauen." 2:33

8. "Ja, sie sollen Gottes Kinder heissen
Agnus dei, Agnus dei." 2:39

― o -- (eman), Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

Excellent! Thanks a lot for the post...
I was trying to figure out Track #6 (breathtaking song). I caught the "Ja, sie werden" but couldn't make out the rest of it.

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

actually the rest of that site is pretty good. thought this was kind of funny:

"YOGA is an unauthorized release. Some Indian musicians visited me in my studio, and somebody else took the tapes and sold them under the name of Popol Vuh, but it had nothing to do with Popol Vuh, really. I'm playing harmonium and organ. I think it was released in Italy."

Florian Fricke, interview on Eurock.com

― o -- (eman), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Pashmina, does the Agape-Agape remastered CD sound worse than the vinyl record to you? I'm wondering if I should bother getting it on CD - I'd like to do this with many of my albums for space reasons, but I don't want to get something that sounds worse than what I already have.

― Pangolino 2, Monday, 17 April 2006 23:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

letzte tage letzte nachte is so good!

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes, Letzte is still far and away my favorite of theirs...The "Harum Dei Rarum Dei" chant is very beautiful, the way it shifts from minor to major key.

― Joe (Joe), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Das Hohelied Salomos is where it's at.

― nervous.gif (eman), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 04:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

I read that SPV are reissuing Sei Still, weisse ICH BIN, For You and Me, Cobra Verde and Brueder des Schattens, Soehne des Lichts on CD in their digipack series. Didn't their edition of the Nosferatu soundtrack have all of "Brueder des Schattens..." except with a short version of the title song along the music that was on the old "Nosferatu" LP? I was hoping they'd be clearing up some of the weirdness in the catalogue with the reissues, but maybe not. I guess "Spirit of Peace" isn't out yet, either, but they'll be dealing with all the different labels Popol Vuh were on in the late 70's onward, so maybe these last ones are trickier.

― Ricki Belloni (Pangolino 3), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 04:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Just picked up Sei Still, weisse ICH BIN. really nice choir vocals throughout. Now all I need is Brueder des Schattens, Soehne des Lichts.
I also saw a new Popol Vuh compilation on SPV called 70s Progressives. As far as I could tell it was stuff from other albums but not entirely sure. Anyone know if any of the tracks are unreleased? Here is the Amazon listing: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F7MB1Y/104-2466127-0630344?v=glance&n=5174

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Saturday, 10 June 2006 22:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

woot

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh i guess i need cobra verde too. man i'm so ghey for this group.

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

and thx for the emusic link, i'm using the free trial to get them shits

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Actually a lot of the bonus trax on these releases look as if they're well worth having - but do they actually give you any proper information on what they are and where they're from? The titles of some of the tracks look suspiciously made up too - i.e., record company find untitled piece on tape, "Uhhhhhhhh, what will we call this one?" "How 'bout "King Minos Part 4" or "Aguirre Part 27"?"

― Il mio nome e' Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 June 2006 08:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's no information about the extras. The reissues are dissapointing generally in this respect.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 16 June 2006 09:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

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call the cops otm!

― tylerw, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

Awesome is the operative word

― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, too cool!

― liam fennell, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

muchisimas gracias!

btw i found a picture of the bluebird costume! (i realized this morning that this thread is where i mentioned it before)

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

thank you! i finally had time to figure out how to hear this and it totally sounds like it should have a herzog voiceover talking about cave-dwelling glow worms and their mating habits or something. also reminds me of ernst reijseger a little now that i think about it. anyone know what/where the picture on the cover is?

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

No idea. Spooky music!

― Tom D (Tom D.), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

ok good i thought i was being a chicken
it sounds more like lost souls than people at one with the earth

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

I Am At One With The Earth - And It Is Totally Freaky

― tylerw, Friday, 26 April 2013 14:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

Who are the singers?

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 26 April 2013 15:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

Well it looks like it's Vocals – Anni Morris Wieland, Bettina Fricke Waldthausend*, Dieter Prym, Florian Fricke, Friedemann Berger, Friedemann Wieland, Gisela Von Doering, Ingeborg Jahnke, Jan Lorck-Shjmerning, Jana Faust, Karl F. Weber, Klaudia Wieland

― Trip Maker, Friday, 26 April 2013 15:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

wait -- "song of the earth" is "agnus dei"?
i have googled and found nothing about this release that i understand fully

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 26 April 2013 15:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's the same tune, yes. He was fond of it and who can blame him? Interestingly, or maybe not, some of this reminded me of, respectively, Stockhausen's "Atmen gibt das Leben" and Cornelius Cardew's "The Great Learning", both of which were composed for choirs of "amateurs".

― Tom D (Tom D.), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

love cardew

― am0n, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:25 (1 month ago) Permalink

― am0n, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

and thanks for the upload CtC

― am0n, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

^ yes, thanks -- while listening I felt like I was doing dishes in the catacombs.

― Brad C., Friday, 26 April 2013 18:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

Pleasure

― Call the Cops, Saturday, 27 April 2013 13:29 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

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