Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

holy shit that Derbyshire column is str8 up h8ful

derbyshire is str8 up h8ful

some evil shit :(

also note the weirdly hostile defense of "objectivity" by both jim goad (from whom you'd expect it) and vice magazine founder gavin macinnes, from whom it might be slightly surprising.

lol in what universe would that be surprising from Gavin "I call all my friends racial slurs, what's the big deal?" MacInnes

not that i've got anything against objectivity, open-mindedness, a willingness to admit the limits of knowledge, etc. it's the challopsy tone that bugs, being so preeningly "brave" as to admit that "certainly groups may not shine as brightly on IQ tests"...

xp, yeah i know, but i feel that vice & gavin often get some kind of weird and wholly undeserved hipster pass on grotesqely racist bullshit

not around here they don't!

and wtf racists have been claiming 'objectivity' since ca. 1830

If you haven't read this thread yet, you should:

Let's talk about Vice Magazine

vice and mcinnes have parted ways fyi, but i don't know the deets there

i mean, mci is happily being a racist cunt all on his own, and vice is only marginally better w/o him (maybe, idk)

sure, but there's the gigantic fight in the middle of the thread about McInnes's predilection for dropping n-bombs and f-bombs and a mind-meltingly stupid defense along the lines of "but by doing this, he is robbing those words of their power!"

ha i remember that thread being a landmark blowout, but none of the content. is momus in there?

at his momusiest

This goes back to my distinction between acts and deeds, and my first point on this whole thread. By all means be enraged (or encourage your family to be enraged) by transvalued epithets. After all, no interpretative act can be innocent, whatever the intended outcome of the transvaluation. But don't forget (and don't let your violent family forget) to judge by acts too. Vice employs homosexual and black contributors and promotes their perspectives and their terms. In the subculture Vice addresses, those people actually have considerably more cultural capital (ie cool) than straight and white people. It's by those deeds, and in that context, that you should judge the mag's editors.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, October 14, 2002

such a horrible dipshit. don't miss this troll at all.

I'm reeling from that article still. Sort of sorry I posted it (sorry I ever read it or saw it for sure). It's just that there's no codewords or anything. It's just pure racism. Basically no different than those klan types gawker reported on the other day. Usually you expect some room for plausible deniability or whatever. All the things that ppl sort of half-joke about getting said behind closed doors -- he just comes out and says them all. It's very depressing.

considering it's on takimag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki's_Magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavi_Gevinson

I'm reeling from that article still. Sort of sorry I posted it (sorry I ever read it or saw it for sure). It's just that there's no codewords or anything. It's just pure racism. Basically no different than those klan types gawker reported on the other day. Usually you expect some room for plausible deniability or whatever. All the things that ppl sort of half-joke about getting said behind closed doors -- he just comes out and says them all. It's very depressing.

yeah, I was actually taken aback by its brazenness. lol cloistered liberal I guess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative

*wonders if derbyshire owns toe shoes*

maybe that's why he almost got shot one time?

i'm assuming he "almost got shot" in the same sense that george zimmerman "almost got shot"

so glad you guys are finally getting on board the taki magazine train, its my favorite source of non-NRO derb garbage and gavin mcinnes wonderful brand of "hey bro im just sayin" *pulls imaginary whistle* toot toot!

taki more like tacky!

i mean, the train too

i said this somewhere on ilx but takimag is like someone wanted to run a dull airport/society mag but then have everyone be racist

yeah, its really jarring

theres something funny about them hiring mcinnes though, like that basically if you get fired from anywhere for being a racist shit, dont worry, taki mag is there

Taki Theodoracopulos (Greek: Τάκης Θεοδωρακόπουλος; born August 11, 1937),[1] originally named Panagiotis Theodoracopulos is a Greek/American journalist, socialite, and political commentator.
Better known as Taki, diminutive for Panagiotis, he is a Greek-born journalist and writer living in New York City, London and Switzerland. In addition to his 1991 memoir Nothing to Declare (about his life as a "playboy" and his experience spending three months in jail for drug conviction, during which time he received a bottle of vaseline from a friend of his), his column "High Life" has appeared in The Spectator since 1977,[2] and he has also written for National Review, the London Sunday Times, Esquire, Vanity Fair, the New York Press, and Quest, among others. In 2002 Taki founded The American Conservative magazine with Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell. He was also publisher of the British magazine Right Now!. He currently publishes and writes for Taki's Magazine, a Libertarian webzine of "politics and culture", which features contributions from writers such as Steve Sailer, Paul Gottfried, Jim Goad, Gavin McInnes and Charles Glass.

hey whaddaya know Taki's Mag also has a piece by Jim Goad about Trayvon who wants to read it? lol me neither fuck that guy

jim goad piece boils down to "we don't really know what happened, and i'm brave enough to admit it". feebly trying to shame those outraged into "objectively" not giving a shit.

"we don't really know what happened" is code for "evidence? fuck that, i like my version better"

anyone who calls himself a 'paleoconservative' or 'paleolibertarian' shd be avoided at all costs. they are invariably the most repellent writers and thinkers on earth and barely even good for perverse entertainment value.

i don't really 'get' jim goad, who is he? there's a certain kind of counterculture writer who plays around with hard-right shit half for shock value, half for value-value that i've never really given a shit about. like boyd rice. is he like that?

I LOVE THE 90'S!!!!!

yeah he's very much in the boyd rice mode. different stylistically but same basic deal.

got to number 11 on the derbyshire article, hucked my phone into the sun

in the article. anyway. fuuuck.

is that the talk racist parents have with their kids?

why yes, yes it is.

i think i've heard the non-middle-eastern version of "the terrorist talk" on capitol hill

well anyway looks like that guy might find it harder to work - iwsbs probably control the media and banks

yeah, I was actually taken aback by its brazenness. lol cloistered liberal I guess

― catbus otm (gbx), Friday, April 6, 2012 6:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the funny thing is I post sometimes on another board that attracts a lot more conservative wackos, and (I realize this is ridiculous in retrospect) when someone posted this article I actually had the thought "I should post this on ILX -- no wait, better to just not even let them know that this exists, it will only depress them.

At the Corner:

Derb’s Screed
By Rich Lowry
April 6, 2012 9:08 P.M.

Needless to say, no one at National Review shares Derb’s appalling view of what parents supposedly should tell their kids about blacks in this instantly notorious piece here.

I honestly don't know if Lowry means that or if he posted it with a nudge-nudge-wink-wink.

morelike derpyshire

might be the first time anyone at NROLand has tossed someone to the dogs

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anyway, i feel like: aaaaare you sure about that, rich?

I'm reeling from that article still. Sort of sorry I
posted it (sorry I ever read it or saw it for sure).
It's just that there's no codewords or anything.
It's just pure racism. Basically no different than
those klan types gawker reported on the other
day. Usually you expect some room for plausible
deniability or whatever. All the things that ppl
sort of half-joke about getting said behind
closed doors -- he just comes out and says them
all. It's very depressing.

yeah, the lack of 'code words' has me reeling as well. i've read my fair share of consevative op eds that more or less boil down to the same thing... but man.... i almost don't want to admit it but being shameless and up-front really hits me harder. honestly shocked and can only hope that the deep-seated hate that this smug asshole has decided to nurture eats him up inside.

Gallup also acknowledged it had collected information on the Hispanic perspective on the Trayvon Martin case that it had not seen fit to report publicly. On its website, Gallup says it interviewed 3,006 people, including 2,334 non-Hispanic whites and 242 blacks. When I pressed for a breakdown, Gallup said it had interviewed 239 Hispanics. Note the numbers: While the Hispanic sample was virtually the same size as the African-American sample, Gallup did not regard the Hispanic viewpoint as worth reporting either in its release to the media or online.

Gallup did provide the data when I asked, and the numbers show that Hispanics view the case rather differently from both blacks and whites.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/07/trayvon_polls_ignore_latinos/