Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

I guess the only solution is to start importing vid games from all the world's many sexually progressive, wholly egalitarian countries.

utopiastan's video games are totally awesome

tbh if I lived in that country I wouldn't need the numbing escape of vid games

lol abbs otm again

i really think japan's cultural influence on video games esp w/r/t nintendo is more infantilization (and therefore inherently less racist, less sexist)

are you fucking kidding me

do you not really remember, for example, Barrett in FFVII, or all of the grossly exaggerated Italianisms from the Mario games that I posted upthread, or this:

oh no! SPANKING VIDEO GAME! oh no!

xp the reason they're totally awesome is because you live them

mario only gets progressively racist the more gritty and "real" he gets. you'd need to have 'call of duty' level mario to really get offensive.

Can I say the world's progressive/sexually explicit video games also sound boring and creepy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Life_%28video_game%29

"Night Life was marketed as an aid for the sex life of couples. It included such features as a schedule to determine a woman's period, and a catalog of possible sexual positions, with artwork consisting of black-and-white outlines."

Maybe just that one does.

Different aims of a product. when games are designed without the actual gameplay or game-ness forefront, you can get drops in quality. Its one of the reasons educational or advocacy games aren't as good; their primary focus is on teaching or advocacy, not necessary on badass gamery. Implicit messaging in a game because explicit, and subtext becomes text, tending to make you a helluva lot less likely to accept or consume it.

thus the boringness.

it makes more sense to compare those Japanese sex games to Japanese pornography, which it's very much in line with

Abbottttt were you also offended by the chappelle wayne brady skit

I was offended by the horrible cgi

i guess what i'm trying to say is, the game would have felt more real to me, and braver, if there was NOT ONLY a great gay character like arcade gannon, but also some asshole who's like "what are you doing rolling around with this faggot?" i can't fully understand why there wasn't tho

ha this was p much the source of my question about whether mass effect lets you roleplay a homophobe

ernest adams & the Straight Male Gamer http://www.nomorelost.org/2011/04/08/equality-in-the-gaming-industry-interview-with-ernest-adams/

innerestin'

Female games journalist vs E3:
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/06/513794/

dunno about that article but i will say that i'm kinda astonished E3 still does the booth babe thing
like how insulting and fratboy is that?

basically the maximum possible amount

couple of reactions to geek cultures:

http://squidygirl.blogspot.com/2012/06/lets-play-game-part-1-catwoman-and-lara.html

http://squidygirl.blogspot.com/2012/06/lets-play-game-part-2-women-vs-tropes.html

for a sec i thought that journo article was gonna be one of those freaky pro-ESDF things

then i finished it and was a little sadder

why is esdf better than wasd?

I'd assume b/c ESDF would have your hand in the homerow position but that's the first I've heard of this particular thing

i take no position on it, as a lefty anyway
http://use-esdf.org/

ugh the comments on that kotaku piece...

The Kotaku piece made me fucking boiling mad, and I havent involved myself in the games feminism thing that much as I'm not a huge gamer. But faaark, the patronising attitude is coming out all over the place lately, every time a woman pipes up and says "guys you know what? This shit actually isn't cool" they end up with a barrage of "die you bitch whore" abuse.

My male gamer friends are astonished at the vitriol. And that makes me even sadder, that they would be suprised it exists.

Laura Hudson, the recently ex-editor of Comicsalliance, was excellent at publishing stories that explored questions of gender and sexism in comics, and her reward was a never ending tirade of sexist bullshit in the comments boxes. Comics and Video Games fandom just seem really regressive and repellent to me; not sure if they're actually any worse that other realms of fandom, but they make no effort - or lack the self-awareness to - mask it.

Also, ex-ilxor, as she was the original mod on ILG with me

I think part of it is that geek and nerd subculture is full of geeks and nerds i.e. people who have a gradient of ASD/socialization problems.

And the Internet is a great way to express unfiltered idiocy. Like sports talk radio.

i wouldn't blame nerddom -- puzzle-game geeks and archie comic nerds aren't spewing ugliness.

Probably because those are mainly women in those categories

they're still nerds!

Yeah, I'll take a random enthusiast over a random Xbox player any day.

Well, yeah, no question there, but I think that if you want an area where unsocialized obsessive dudes wind up, nerd culture has a far lower physical barrier to entry than say football

ASD/socialization problems no excuse for being a totally vile misogynist

even if that is the case

I don't know that it's fair to suggest the two overlap

yeah, there's enough problems without adding on mysogyny

Not excusing it, just saying I ain't surprised

I dont think the kind of gamers who abuse people in comments boxes or over their Gears of War headset are nerds, is the thing to be honest. They're jock bullies, just like they would be on the footy field or at a bar. Its just that playing video games isnt uncool anymore - esp games like GoW, Halo, GTA etc.

uh, yeah they are nerds.

unless "jocks" are really into leaving comments on kotaku articles on your planet.

Actually I know plenty of pretty unnerdy guys who play video games, is all im sayin. Unless 'uses a computer' is all that makes someone a nerd!?

as do i, but they wouldn't even know what kotaku is.

The internet has made me hate "nerds".

I love nerdy shit but I haaaaaatttte "nerd culture"

I dont think the kind of gamers who abuse people in comments boxes or over their Gears of War headset are nerds, is the thing to be honest. They're jock bullies, just like they would be on the footy field or at a bar. Its just that playing video games isnt uncool anymore - esp games like GoW, Halo, GTA etc.

― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, June 22, 2012 10:44 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

nah ime these would be bona fide nerds

I don't know why we have to classify people into buckets like "nerds" and "jocks", lots of people have jockish tendencies if they don't have to back up things that they or risk getting their ass kicked.

frogbs are you a nerd or a jock