GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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lol whiney

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw, whiney, i think it might mean that larry's at lunch not the viewer, ever thought of that

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol i thought whiney was joking

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I hope that there’s room in our society for an exploration of class in that way that goes beyond. I like a movie like Raising Victor Vargas, that’s one version of New York, but I think there’s also room for a movie about the kids who grew up taking too many different kinds of piano and dance lessons in Tribeca. I hope that the artistic landscape can accommodate all of that and that I’ve approached it in a way that’s self-aware enough that people know where I’m coming from. But of course there will always be detractors and I was prepared for that. Sometimes I’m my own detractor."

^^^ this is sort of a funny thing to say -- its absolutely true but its weird that she doesnt acknowledge that the artistic landscape of new york stories is probably more biased towards the too-many-lessons kids than the victor vargases of the world. which shd be apparent in part because the first example of a movie about non-privileged kids in nyc she can think of is like 10 years old

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait a second, what if it's LARRY at lunch and not the viewer
makes u think

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope that there’s room in our society for an exploration of class in that way that goes beyond. I like a movie like Raising Victor Vargas, that’s one version of New York, but I think there’s also room for a movie about the kids who grew up taking too many different kinds of piano and dance lessons in Tribeca. I hope that the artistic landscape can accommodate all of that and that I’ve approached it in a way that’s self-aware enough that people know where I’m coming from. But of course there will always be detractors and I was prepared for that. Sometimes I’m my own detractor.

See, I think this just comes down to a disagreement about storytelling. Too many piano and dance lessons? Rich people are playing life on God Mode, and narrative without risk is pretty dull IMO.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

its about larry lunchin i think right

akm, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997079/

40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

milo do you only watch action movies or something

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Larries Who Lunch

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, because most action movies are crap because the hero is playing on God Mode

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

iddqed

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyone else getting Parker Lewis Can't Lose flashbacks right now?

some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

milo do you only watch action movies or something

― max, Friday, April 6, 2012 1:34 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its funny cause i was thinking the actual popular movies re new york are prob mostly abt people killing each other and the mafia - this discussion is abt a p niche product that prob mostly appeals to people of similar background

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

nb: I didn't think Girls was funny, either, or I'd cut it a lot more slack. It read as painfully awkward melodrama to me more than comedy.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

you mean tiny furniture?

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is just off the top of my head, here’s what I would put in my start pack currently, if I was trying to make everybody feel the inside of my brain: I’d probably put Ariel, the Sylvia Plath book of poems, I’d put the new Sheila Heti novel, How Should a Person Be, I’d put Wallflower at the Orgy by Nora Ephron. Those would be my three books. I’d put Gilda Live, the documentary of Gilda directed by Mike Nichols, I’d put An Unmarried Woman, and I’d put in Clueless and then maybe like one Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings too: Seven Swans. Then I’m just gonna throw Betty Davis—Miles Davis’s wife Betty Davis, not the disco crazy nutbag singer—I’d put her cd in there. Right now, if I was like, I want you to feel my feelings, I’d hand you those things.

are we totally sure she's not on ilx already?

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

er, yeah, because I was going to say that I'm giving Girls a shot because it might really be funny

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

surfin stevens and betty davis and gilda radner are faves of mine too, maybe I'M oh wait i fucking hate nora ephron

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i dont know man i think if "actual lives are at stake" is for an important characteristic of good art i dont think were ever going to agree about art period let alone an hbo show

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't say "actual lives are at stake," I said risk.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

conflict is importnat to narrative, what kind of protagonist do u have

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

give Girls til the end of season 1 to see if they resolve any conflicts with physical violence imo

some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

what are we talking about then? is it that emotional/psychological 'risk' arent important enough?

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

a story can be seen as a mountain climbing your hero will have to overcome many obsitcles one is a huge rock in the way

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I laughed at the younger sister, the white cabinets, the explanation of fucking in a pipe.

I did pretty much hate all the dudes in the movie to a degree that bothered me.

og (admrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Emotional/psychological risk is pretty much every love story ever, so yes that's important.

The malaise of being young and privileged, though, doesn't cut it for me.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

the tools u are using to assess this art are too crude for the job

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont know that being privileged is the source of dunhams 'malaise' though -- it inflects it in certain ways but shes not exactly sad *because* her parents are well-off

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

surely the source is Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings

some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

if only she were sad because OBAMA wouldn't let her buy more handguns

Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

that would be more interesting tbh

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

In my mind, I see a link between the Dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir and Tiny Furniture (which is memoir-ish) - if you're 22-24, the odds of you having done anything worth writing a memoir or making a movie about are pretty slim.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

which is also a privilege thing because State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive aren't exactly getting $$$ to make films that mirror their real lives (those films would be just as dull as Tiny Furniture, most likely)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

how old or underprivileged would she have to be before the odds of her art being worthwhile were sufficient to engender interest

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i am just pretending u r not interested in this show for the sake of argument)

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

you can always make art that isn't suffocatingly autobiographical iirc

some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like im losing the thread here

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thread wants to be free, max. don't try to control it.

some dude, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

'write abt what you know' important tip for making compelling art

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw i dont think tiny furniture is a memoir

i dont have a problem with young people writing memoirs

i imagine that a "State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive" as perceptive and funny as dunham could probably make a film as good as tiny furniture

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude otm twice

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

what abt someone who dropped out of jr college tho

lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is the dartmouth frat bro movie called? is it animal house?

Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i googled dartmouth frat bro and apparently its a real thing, i thought milo was trying to draw some weird false equivalency there with a made-up example

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

we talked about it on another thread? Dartmouth hazing whistleblower now writing memoir etc.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i dunno i dont really find the concept of a dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir galling

max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, I hadn't even seen that Jezebel thing. <3 the phrase frat bro

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not galling but it's difficult to believe that many 22-year old who aren't war heroes or w/e have a compelling tale to tell unless you're also a frat bro

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink


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