hahaha
― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
feel that Bungie's games, esp. Marathon, are usually well-written although obv a tremendous dearth of female characters
― dayo, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
a big factor that hasn't been directly mentioned yet is JAPAN. Japan is a sexist society and most of their art also includes that. and their video games make up a big part of the market.
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:25 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha i have the feeling that the fallout games would be better if there was more racism and sexism in them! mostly because i have the cynical feeling that if a 50's dreamworld collapsed into nuclear terror things would get racialist and bigman-dominated really quickly. you get a few 'bad pimp' characters here and there, and some evil psycho rapist villains, and there's the lingering presence of bigotry against ghouls which kind of stands in for other kids of prejudice.
but really there are moments when i felt like the game's unspoken racial equality and gay-positivity felt like, idk, controversy avoidance more than anything? maybe i'm too deep in the liberal bubble.
the fallout world is free of the the kind of hatefulness we see irl. people want to kill each other but not for the reasons people want to kill each other now, if that makes sense.
― goole, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's where things get dicey. when to be culturally tolerant means tolerating bigotry/sexism/etc. xpost
― bnw, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
That cooking mama comic would be a lot funnier if they didn't have her getting beat the fuck up in it, what the hell.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Plus it activates the ILX/grad school-induced part of my brain that wants to sneer at its unsophisticated understanding of 'power structures.' But anyway lol, the punchline is: submission by violence.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Plus there is the reactionary 'modern Bust magazine is half about crafting feminist' part of my brain that says wtf is wrong w/being a cooking, crafting mama anyway. That after I libeled those Imagine Girlz Makeup games.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I thought cooking mama is a fun game; I like chopping daikon irl and on vid games.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
ALSO I think it's wrong to say "JAPAN is sexist and that's the big factor," U.S. and Japan not in some kind of sexism contest, and if they were I don't honestly know who would win. U.S. is sexist too and to blame all this on Japan and not the ppl in the U.S. buying/supporting/etc this seems....not "casually racist," but...let me dial up Momus here, he would have some things to say about this.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't play many japanese games, doesn't seem that relevant to me.
the loci of video game sexism that i think of like penny arcade are US of A
― goole, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Japan being sexist is a big factor on Japanese games being sexist. I am not commenting on games from other countries there.
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that comic is more casually racist/sexist than Cooking Mama, is what I'm saying.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
― goole, Friday, April 6, 2012 12:27 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i dont think its controversy avoidance so much as a conscious attempt to go against the grain! it certainly caused more controversy than if there hadn't been any gay characters in it at all. je sawyer wrote something cool on this topic:
http://twofoldsilence.diogenes-lamp.info/2011/06/platonic-forms-of-marginalized.html
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
holy lol
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
gamers are so smart
haha damn ppl are so ignorant
i guess what i'm trying to say is, the game would have felt more real to me, and braver, if there was NOT ONLY a great gay character like arcade gannon, but also some asshole who's like "what are you doing rolling around with this faggot?" i can't fully understand why there wasn't tho
iirc there were some sublimated hints here and there that people think the Legion is a bunch of angry gays, right?
(i'll have to read that sawyer piece)
― goole, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
veronica mentions her ex-girlfriend's Brotherhood of Steel family not looking kindly on their relationship
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
what i dig in fallout are the NCR recruitment posters that say "LADIES! EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT SERVES IS A SLAP ACROSS CAESAR'S FACE!"
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
"the fallout world is free of the the kind of hatefulness we see irl. people want to kill each other but not for the reasons people want to kill each other now, if that makes sense."
i disagree that it is a gamemaker's responsibility to provide the hatefulness. that's the gamer's job.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
abbs otm
― dayo, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah agreed.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, lets dial up momus so he can justify his yellow fever over submissive women to us.
― bnw, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
why did momus stop posting here
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
he was banned iirc
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Too busy jacking it onto his girlfriend's face.
It's true; dude used to post about that unreservedly.
xp or that too
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw there are crazy japanese rape games that are not sold in the US iirc. so good luck putting that on the American consumer.
― bnw, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Part of why the racist/sexist bits can get downplayed in the Fallout world is that you have a clear external enemy that everybody could project their animus against: super mutants and ghouls. With supermutants running around actively trying to ice normals, and rabid ghouls serving in the place of zombies, those should easily fill the slot of "shit to fear & hate" before all the humans get around to going at other humans.
I hope in the upcoming Wasteland 2 kickstarter project, they keep a satirical or just funny tone to everything, only basing it on 80s ideas instead of post-war/pre-cuban-missile-crisis ones
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
are japan rape games really chart toppers though? i really think japan's cultural influence on video games esp w/r/t nintendo is more infantilization (and therefore inherently less racist, less sexist) there's really no way around being disgusting if you want games that are more "mature". if they're handled poorly, they're going to be disgusting, and even if they're handled well, they're still going to be disgusting.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess the only solution is to start importing vid games from all the world's many sexually progressive, wholly egalitarian countries.
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
utopiastan's video games are totally awesome
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbh if I lived in that country I wouldn't need the numbing escape of vid games
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol abbs otm again
― goole, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really think japan's cultural influence on video games esp w/r/t nintendo is more infantilization (and therefore inherently less racist, less sexist)
are you fucking kidding me
do you not really remember, for example, Barrett in FFVII, or all of the grossly exaggerated Italianisms from the Mario games that I posted upthread, or this:
oh no! SPANKING VIDEO GAME! oh no!
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp the reason they're totally awesome is because you live them
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
mario only gets progressively racist the more gritty and "real" he gets. you'd need to have 'call of duty' level mario to really get offensive.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can I say the world's progressive/sexually explicit video games also sound boring and creepy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Life_%28video_game%29
"Night Life was marketed as an aid for the sex life of couples. It included such features as a schedule to determine a woman's period, and a catalog of possible sexual positions, with artwork consisting of black-and-white outlines."
― and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe just that one does.
Different aims of a product. when games are designed without the actual gameplay or game-ness forefront, you can get drops in quality. Its one of the reasons educational or advocacy games aren't as good; their primary focus is on teaching or advocacy, not necessary on badass gamery. Implicit messaging in a game because explicit, and subtext becomes text, tending to make you a helluva lot less likely to accept or consume it.
thus the boringness.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
it makes more sense to compare those Japanese sex games to Japanese pornography, which it's very much in line with
― Nhex, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Abbottttt were you also offended by the chappelle wayne brady skit
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I was offended by the horrible cgi
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 6 April 2012 20:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha this was p much the source of my question about whether mass effect lets you roleplay a homophobe
― thomp, Saturday, 7 April 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ernest adams & the Straight Male Gamer http://www.nomorelost.org/2011/04/08/equality-in-the-gaming-industry-interview-with-ernest-adams/
― ogmor, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
innerestin'
― Nhex, Friday, 13 April 2012 23:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Female games journalist vs E3:http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/06/513794/
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 18 June 2012 22:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
dunno about that article but i will say that i'm kinda astonished E3 still does the booth babe thinglike how insulting and fratboy is that?
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 June 2012 23:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
basically the maximum possible amount
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Monday, 18 June 2012 23:32 (11 months ago) Permalink
couple of reactions to geek cultures:
http://squidygirl.blogspot.com/2012/06/lets-play-game-part-1-catwoman-and-lara.html
http://squidygirl.blogspot.com/2012/06/lets-play-game-part-2-women-vs-tropes.html
― Fiendish Doctor Wu! (kingfish), Monday, 18 June 2012 23:42 (11 months ago) Permalink