still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
"WKIW", as I believe you say
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the character, not lena i mean
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".
its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
xxp
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich
I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege
i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
^
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think that it's about rich vs. poor, it's about the stakes being so small that Tiny Furniture/Lost In Translation/etc. wind up being about "this is how it is" for the overprivileged. Which is just not a very interesting story to tell.
I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average.
(will totally cop to being a Stalinist about the wealthy, fwiw)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will allow for the possibility that I didn't particularly care for the movie in large part because it's so grueling to watch people in their early 20s wrestle with the inherent douchebaggery of being in one's early 20s.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Have said elsewhere that my response to Metropolitan after 30 minutes was "nuke them all from orbit," Tiny Furniture was not this bad.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's about the stakes being so small
'what is a life worth?'
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get your point max but I guess it really depends on how much the filmmaker has a public presence that forms part of the conversation around the film. Obviously with LD that is a factor, but not every artist fits neatly into some social or economic type and it always seems like a much bigger deal than it should be. If you only make work about who you are and where you are from, you can easily turn that into an examination of identity or you can just come across as totally self-absorbed. I think it is to Lena Dunham's credit that folks ITT seem split on that question.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average."basing this on the promo language where she asks her parents for 1100 a month for the next two years to get on her feet and they straight up laugh at her; the rich would shrug and put up with that shit methinksanyways, i'm talking about a show I haven't seen yet; I should shut up until I see the pilot.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't love W&L, but otherwise this is OTM.
in any case, she is hella primed to be A BIG THING and a VOICE OF THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION and i am curious to see how she/this holds up to broad scrutinyanything's better than miranda fucking july
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
TRUTH. BOMB.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't know enough about Kelly Reichardt to know if she has experience of being young and broke in nu-recession America, but I'm going to assume not.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
― og (admrl), Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh yeah i agree with this
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is Louis cK "richer" than Lena Dunham? Is he really more "self-aware" or is he just much harder on himself? He's also much older of course and balder and fatter
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
louis ck is now hella richalso balder fatter and more penis endowed
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
why the pootie tang royalties alone
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
He certainly doesn't portray himself as being rich though
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost
Endowed him with more penis?
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
more penis than lena presumably
doubling back on that promo joke, i love that it looks like her parents have taken her out to dinner to tell her the support teat has been tapped; that's such a privilege moment.some of my redneck friends just came home and found their shit in bags by the trailer park door and the folks said happy birthday and good luck out there
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
In the first season when the school bus breaks down he gets each kid their own limo.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i thought the objections to that scene were in spite of the irony cos it was bleedingly obvious?
― sleepingbag, Friday, 12 April 2013 19:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
sarcasmdetectorbroken.jpg
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
can we still fite tho
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:59 (1 month ago) Permalink
well...she did say that in the commentary after the episode, right
― purp (roxymuzak), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
where is the commentary?
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
last 3 eps of Louie >>>>> last 3 eps of Girls
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
any ep of louie >>>>
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
i love Girls but yeah
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
more like pooie.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
puppy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:40 (1 month ago) Permalink
Final scene recalled the scene with Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts in The Player.
― piscesx, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
Traffic was a bitch.
― schwantz, Monday, 15 April 2013 18:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
nothing about charlie was real or sad especially thats all i ever wanted to hear youre all i want sorry johnny i love you but that was some hipster clutch bullshit
― surm, Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:47 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm so relieved he left
― flopson, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
I'm v surprised no one here has yet praised LD's performance on Nurse Jackie
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:03 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
hah! Merritt Wever had a role in tiny furniture too. Way better actress than LD.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:06 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
As an avid fan of both Girls and Nurse Jackie, I'm v disappointed I never made the connection how similar they were until like 3 days ago.
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:12 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
I love Merritt Wever. I need to catch up on Jackie.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:21 (4 weeks ago) Permalink