GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (four years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (four years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (four years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (four years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (four years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (four years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (four years ago) Permalink

I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (four years ago) Permalink

It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (four years ago) Permalink

i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (four years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (four years ago) Permalink

OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (four years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.
the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (four years ago) Permalink

a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege

i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (four years ago) Permalink

^

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think that it's about rich vs. poor, it's about the stakes being so small that Tiny Furniture/Lost In Translation/etc. wind up being about "this is how it is" for the overprivileged. Which is just not a very interesting story to tell.

I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (four years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average.

Gotta call bullshit if you're talking about Tiny Furniture.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (four years ago) Permalink

(will totally cop to being a Stalinist about the wealthy, fwiw)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I will allow for the possibility that I didn't particularly care for the movie in large part because it's so grueling to watch people in their early 20s wrestle with the inherent douchebaggery of being in one's early 20s.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Have said elsewhere that my response to Metropolitan after 30 minutes was "nuke them all from orbit," Tiny Furniture was not this bad.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (four years ago) Permalink

it's about the stakes being so small

'what is a life worth?'

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (four years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

I get your point max but I guess it really depends on how much the filmmaker has a public presence that forms part of the conversation around the film. Obviously with LD that is a factor, but not every artist fits neatly into some social or economic type and it always seems like a much bigger deal than it should be. If you only make work about who you are and where you are from, you can easily turn that into an examination of identity or you can just come across as totally self-absorbed. I think it is to Lena Dunham's credit that folks ITT seem split on that question.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (four years ago) Permalink

"anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average."
basing this on the promo language where she asks her parents for 1100 a month for the next two years to get on her feet and they straight up laugh at her; the rich would shrug and put up with that shit methinks
anyways, i'm talking about a show I haven't seen yet; I should shut up until I see the pilot.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (four years ago) Permalink

I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.

Didn't love W&L, but otherwise this is OTM.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (four years ago) Permalink

i think the show is fine. I think the comment is fine. who cares.

akm, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:47 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe she should've aborted that comment

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I like the graphic design/typeface on her book cover.

Treeship, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:12 (two months ago) Permalink

no matter how bad Girls has gotten or will get, it will always be worth it for this scene alone

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:57 (two months ago) Permalink

y'know, I actually think this is fair enough:

It was then, Dunham said, she realized "Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department."

She's admitting that, even though she's pro-abortion, she has internalised the shaming of abortion. I mean, she put it across in an ultimately clumsy manner, but what she's saying is ultimately self-deprecating and making a point about the cultural discourse surrounding abortion infecting even those who explicitly support abortion.

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:15 (two months ago) Permalink

i don't think people had an issue with that part (though "unblemished" is kinda....eh...) it's the tone deaf faux bragging at the end.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:17 (two months ago) Permalink

hard to see any situation where it wouldn't come out well. advocating for the blind: "I'm not blind, but i wish i was".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:20 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah, well, that is a little (a lot) clumsy. it doesn't invalidate her larger point though.

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:23 (two months ago) Permalink

not to the extent that her point was mostly about realizing she's full of shit

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:31 (two months ago) Permalink

in general i think ppl who have actually had abortions might give a little more of a fuck about that idiotic statement than you internet bros

and that john waters thing is so clearly a different context and with different aims, i don't see how it's relevant.

circa1916, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Because I said so.

jane burkini (suzy), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Both before and after, she seems focused on herself rather than the issue. Before: I need to make sure people know I didn't have one even though I'm advocating it. After: Now that I'm woke, I wish I had had an abortion so I could have the cred.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:23 (two months ago) Permalink

just seems to be minimize the massive physical loss and pain experienced in the process

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:45 (two months ago) Permalink

tho i guess it is a statement of empathy? however badly worded

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:46 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah, well, that is a little (a lot) clumsy. it doesn't invalidate her larger point though.

― There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:23 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to the extent that her point was mostly about realizing she's full of shit

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:31 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Her apology is so ridiculous. She is the monster the liberals deserve in 2016.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 23:02 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

@people
.@LenaDunham says she's had her period for 13 days

@dick_nixon
I do in some rare cases favor the immediate and irrevocable loss of citizenship, if not imprisonment without trial.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 17:25 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

lol desi

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Sunday, 19 February 2017 06:07 (one week ago) Permalink

ok wow that episode was intense

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 26 February 2017 12:50 (two days ago) Permalink

ive laughed a lot @ this season

johnny crunch, Sunday, 26 February 2017 13:53 (two days ago) Permalink

really great episode of this show, but I imagine it's going to piss a lot of people off

akm, Monday, 27 February 2017 14:05 (yesterday) Permalink

I've given up on this show but my wife still watches it out of morbid curiosity.

surprised Dunham didn't just name the author character "Woody" if she was so intent on being keeping things "subtle" and "ambiguous".

this show went from amusing to awful really fast (ie by the end of season 3)

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:13 (yesterday) Permalink

idk i think it's funnier now (last season and the first few eps of this season) than it's ever been.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:16 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah i think it's definitely been really funny.

feel like desi is just a pitch perfectly written douchebag. he literally can't do or say anything that isn't absolutely teeth-grindingly awful.

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:22 (yesterday) Permalink

also glad it's coming to an end tho, and there hasn't been enough adam (for obvious reasons) in the first 2 episodes - haven't seen the latest ep

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:23 (yesterday) Permalink

latest ep is literally Hannah and some dude for the entire ep

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 27 February 2017 18:42 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah and it's very good. as was the similar episode last season

akm, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:44 (yesterday) Permalink

first three eps this season are supposed to be one off stories she's always wanted to tell, according to something i read in a not-entirely-reliable magazine I was working on the other day. the first two eps this season i have been RMDE the first couple of minutes and then really enjoying it. But she's run out of interesting things to do with the central friend group, and that's why every ep so far has felt like a Very Special Episode.

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:01 (yesterday) Permalink

Elijah has the odd good line but he doesn't work when give actual storylines, esp that one last year with the bald dude.

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:01 (yesterday) Permalink


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