GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.
the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege

i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

^

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think that it's about rich vs. poor, it's about the stakes being so small that Tiny Furniture/Lost In Translation/etc. wind up being about "this is how it is" for the overprivileged. Which is just not a very interesting story to tell.

I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average.

Gotta call bullshit if you're talking about Tiny Furniture.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

(will totally cop to being a Stalinist about the wealthy, fwiw)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will allow for the possibility that I didn't particularly care for the movie in large part because it's so grueling to watch people in their early 20s wrestle with the inherent douchebaggery of being in one's early 20s.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have said elsewhere that my response to Metropolitan after 30 minutes was "nuke them all from orbit," Tiny Furniture was not this bad.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's about the stakes being so small

'what is a life worth?'

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

I get your point max but I guess it really depends on how much the filmmaker has a public presence that forms part of the conversation around the film. Obviously with LD that is a factor, but not every artist fits neatly into some social or economic type and it always seems like a much bigger deal than it should be. If you only make work about who you are and where you are from, you can easily turn that into an examination of identity or you can just come across as totally self-absorbed. I think it is to Lena Dunham's credit that folks ITT seem split on that question.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average."
basing this on the promo language where she asks her parents for 1100 a month for the next two years to get on her feet and they straight up laugh at her; the rich would shrug and put up with that shit methinks
anyways, i'm talking about a show I haven't seen yet; I should shut up until I see the pilot.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.

Didn't love W&L, but otherwise this is OTM.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I keep thinking abt her husband Marfaniel and how he became Jardin like 20 seconds later

this reminded me of the bit in the tank girl movie where tank girl keeps changing jet girl's fake lavish model name while undercover as a fashion photographer

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

OMG HOW THE FUCK DID I NOT NOTICE THAT THE ARTIST IN THE LAST EPISODE WAS LOUISE FUCKING LASSER?!?!?

"Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:00 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

girls is hilarious too though. hannah storming into ray's bedroom saying "everything's my business" was lol

― Treeship, Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:58 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her bursting in like that didn't really make any sense though

― Number None, Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:10 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


this bothered me too, & the only rational explanation I can think of is that the events of this episode have caused to fall back on her identity of 'confessional writer/boundary-averse snoop'

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:15 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

+ she was probly a little drunk too

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:16 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I really like this show, but I skip past all musical performances in embarrassment, especially the rapping white chick

― Dan I., Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:04 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't believe she isnt signed yet"

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


my GF was like "I actually really like this song!"
it took all my self-control not to get up, walk out the door, and never call her again

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:18 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i liked how she got tongue tied and made up a word -- i think it was "squanderation" -- in the course of a rant about her important literary gifts.

― Treeship, Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:00 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


"squanderization"—I actually repeated "squanderization?!" in disbelief, then was like "yessss" when her coworker called her on it a second later

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:21 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I think that a cameo appearance by Jim Florentine of VH1 Classic's That Metal Show was literally the thing i would least expect on Girls, so good job Lena!

Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:25 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that was pretty random

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 March 2014 21:58 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

this bothered me too, & the only rational explanation I can think of is that the events of this episode have caused to fall back on her identity of 'confessional writer/boundary-averse snoop'

― Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Friday, March 21, 2014 5:15 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i think this is what's going on with her and it's in character. i think she is aware of the social norms she violates; part of it is an entitlement thing i think. i think hannah has unusually high confidence levels.

Treeship, Friday, 21 March 2014 22:00 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

OMG HOW THE FUCK DID I NOT NOTICE THAT THE ARTIST IN THE LAST EPISODE WAS LOUISE FUCKING LASSER?!?!?

FUCK BINGO LET'S COMPASSION (stevie), Friday, 21 March 2014 22:49 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

^^^^^ meant to type, 'seconded'

FUCK BINGO LET'S COMPASSION (stevie), Friday, 21 March 2014 22:50 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I think she burst into the bedroom cause she recognized Marnie's voice in the moaning?

, Friday, 21 March 2014 23:06 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, that's what i assumed

FUCK BINGO LET'S COMPASSION (stevie), Friday, 21 March 2014 23:20 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I hope I never know what my friends' sex sounds are like.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 04:12 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

she strongly suspected/feared it was marnie and had to find out

remember like 1 episode ago when marnie revealed she had a secret she "couldn't tell" hannah

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 22 March 2014 06:15 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I feel like an entire Seinfeld episode could have been based around "recognizing a friend's sex sounds"

Many American citizens are literally paralyzed by (bernard snowy), Saturday, 22 March 2014 14:29 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Um...so is this how Hannah/Lena is going to get herself out of the show?

I know she said in an interview that she wanted to be in front of the camera less, because she has more fun writing/producing/directing or something?

, Monday, 24 March 2014 03:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Really enjoyed her interview on WTF. I'd really love to watch this show someday.

how's life, Monday, 24 March 2014 11:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Jessa's storyline was heartbreaking as is, so I can't imagine how good it would be if it didn't revolve around a character that was introduced one episode prior to the finale.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 24 March 2014 14:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

next season will open w jessa on trial for attmpted murder

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

shosh <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 01:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

next season will open w jessa on trial for attmpted murder

― johnny crunch, Monday, March 24, 2014 9:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, totally. Even though I disapprove of what she did this is the first episode that made me feel sympathetic toward Jessa. She was doing what seemed to her to be the right thing at a huuuge risk to herself.

très hip (Treeship), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 00:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

THE ARTIST IN THE LAST EPISODE WAS LOUISE FUCKING LASSER?!?!?

Dunham is pals w/ all of Woody's exes cept Keaton, huh

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lena dunham was hanging outside the movie theater as i came in yesterday. much skinnier and cuter in person.

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

tbf, that's likely what she would say about me if her primary introduction to me was seeing me naked on tv every weekend

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That was a great thing to say about her forks

, Friday, 28 March 2014 09:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This season was really great.

ronnie waitrose (stevie), Friday, 28 March 2014 10:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It verged on unwatchable for me in the middle episodes but the last four really pulled things out of the fire. Best run the show has had

Number None, Friday, 28 March 2014 10:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I definitely watched a number of Marnie's scenes through my fingers. Not because they were bad but because she behaves so awfully.

ronnie waitrose (stevie), Friday, 28 March 2014 10:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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