just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
the pipe scene was the clincher
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, agreed.the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
"In the street?""No, worse than that"
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
twice actually!
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?
haha me too
i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
"WKIW", as I believe you say
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the character, not lena i mean
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".
its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
xxp
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich
I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege
i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
^
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't think that it's about rich vs. poor, it's about the stakes being so small that Tiny Furniture/Lost In Translation/etc. wind up being about "this is how it is" for the overprivileged. Which is just not a very interesting story to tell.
I loved 'Wendy & Lucy,' which is also kind of "this is how it is" (you could criticize Michelle Williams's character's choices and how it all could have been easily avoided, etc.) but there's real shit going on there.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average.
(will totally cop to being a Stalinist about the wealthy, fwiw)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will allow for the possibility that I didn't particularly care for the movie in large part because it's so grueling to watch people in their early 20s wrestle with the inherent douchebaggery of being in one's early 20s.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Have said elsewhere that my response to Metropolitan after 30 minutes was "nuke them all from orbit," Tiny Furniture was not this bad.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's about the stakes being so small
'what is a life worth?'
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get your point max but I guess it really depends on how much the filmmaker has a public presence that forms part of the conversation around the film. Obviously with LD that is a factor, but not every artist fits neatly into some social or economic type and it always seems like a much bigger deal than it should be. If you only make work about who you are and where you are from, you can easily turn that into an examination of identity or you can just come across as totally self-absorbed. I think it is to Lena Dunham's credit that folks ITT seem split on that question.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
"anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average."basing this on the promo language where she asks her parents for 1100 a month for the next two years to get on her feet and they straight up laugh at her; the rich would shrug and put up with that shit methinksanyways, i'm talking about a show I haven't seen yet; I should shut up until I see the pilot.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah true fact: mental illness is not an affectation.
― Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:14 (1 month ago) Permalink
i was all 'uh oh' when the OCD thing started being foregrounded but, in fact, she nailed it and like many on this thread I speak from too much personal experience to be at risk of romanticizing. And if anything the grand finale you-have-saved-me is INCREDIBLY foreboding, like if she is having a full blown long lasting mega spike the last thing she needs is for him to babysit her in that way
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:20 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah i couldn't agree more with that. from the show's sensitive, and knowing portrayal of OCD, it's clear that they can't be so naive as to believe adam could just swoop in and "save" her. the show, i think, and lena dunham, know what they are doing.
― Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
same goes for him (adam), he is dialing for destruction
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
totally
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
omfg adam gtfo
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― purp (roxymuzak), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah cosigning that
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
― purp (roxymuzak), Friday, April 12, 2013 10:33 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
(mad lols at silby's username btw)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
I'll cosign it too since y'all are ganging up on me.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:23 (1 month ago) Permalink
ur an idiot
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
so you guys actually think the final scene of the final episode was some sort of ironic commentary and not yr garden variety Apatow cornball shit? wow
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah. u wanna fite?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
i thought the objections to that scene were in spite of the irony cos it was bleedingly obvious?
― sleepingbag, Friday, 12 April 2013 19:33 (1 month ago) Permalink
sarcasmdetectorbroken.jpg
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
can we still fite tho
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:59 (1 month ago) Permalink
well...she did say that in the commentary after the episode, right
― purp (roxymuzak), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
where is the commentary?
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
last 3 eps of Louie >>>>> last 3 eps of Girls
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
any ep of louie >>>>
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:32 (1 month ago) Permalink
i love Girls but yeah
― Gukbe, Monday, 15 April 2013 16:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
more like pooie.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
puppy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:40 (1 month ago) Permalink
Final scene recalled the scene with Bruce Willis and Julia Roberts in The Player.
― piscesx, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
Traffic was a bitch.
― schwantz, Monday, 15 April 2013 18:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
nothing about charlie was real or sad especially thats all i ever wanted to hear youre all i want sorry johnny i love you but that was some hipster clutch bullshit
― surm, Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:47 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm so relieved he left
― flopson, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
I'm v surprised no one here has yet praised LD's performance on Nurse Jackie
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
hah! Merritt Wever had a role in tiny furniture too. Way better actress than LD.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
As an avid fan of both Girls and Nurse Jackie, I'm v disappointed I never made the connection how similar they were until like 3 days ago.
― hoda nkotb (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I love Merritt Wever. I need to catch up on Jackie.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Thursday, 25 April 2013 20:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink