re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
WTF??? Xpost
hahahaha
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
boob slider:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball
... why does my lizard lady have tits.
This thread is comedy username gold
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
wd play all the games with massive shadebobs
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces
lol this was xposted by dayo
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
hoskins transcends race and racism?i'm pretty sure battleship: the movie is going to contain all sorts of jingoism and boobplay that wasn't inherent in the game.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
IGN: Is there by chance a trampoline game in DOAX2? We think that would be an excellent addition to the mini-games.
Itagaki: So we have to pick from a long list of minigame ideas and I'm pretty sure trampoline minigames were part of the initial list, but we didn't pick it. That's because of the kind of game that DOAX2 is; we have to be really careful not to make it seem vulgar. Certain activities show the women in a negative light.
So it's not so much about bouncing per say. The key to the game is love. When they love the character, how do they feel when they see the character do whatever she's doing? We don't want to make them feel bad.
(Laughter.)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
GN: It seems like that game is ripe for a wet t-shirt contest.
Itagaki: Well, it becomes the issue of love again.
IGN: So that's too far?
Itagaki: You don't want your girlfriend being seen in a wet T-shirt contest, right?
IGN: No, not mine. But it's OK for me to see other people's girlfriends... (Laughter.)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
btw here is the male figure you get if you set the "body type" dial all the way to its biggest setting on Star Wars: The Old Republic, and then there is the female option at the same chunkiest settinghttp://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6995/000grzxh.jpg
don't know if you guys can see the slight disparity, i mean it is pretty subtle
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6995/000grzxh.jpgsry, am bad at ilx
lol Battleship: The Movie is maybe stacking the deck a tiny bit, considering the video game context in which this conversation started
DOA3 is actually the only game I'm embarrassed to own; I bought it because the fighting got good marks (and it was a decent fighting game, if not really comparable to the Big Games) and shortly afterward they announced the beach volleyball game and I basically just wanted to die
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
one thing i can definitely say about saints row 3 is that it is absolutely neutral when it comes to making characters morbidly obese
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
the gameplay footage of Saints Row 3 make it seem to be flat-out insane
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
also I am lolling pretty hard at SW:TOC's pie disparity
oh ha trust me, SR3 is def insane. its also insanely racist and sexist while at the same time weirdly seeming completely not either. this is hard to explain.
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
well part of it is that if you just go over the top offensive towards EVERYONE, it's hard to feel like anyone is getting singled out
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah thats pretty much it, when you are rolling around town beating anime nerds to death with a huge purple dildo the gloves are already off
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
except that this is exactly how horrible d-bags excuse their horribleness all. the fucking. time.
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
wait jjjusten you are degloving nerds with a giant purple dildo?
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
I'm watching gameplay footage of SR3 and it's just a lot of crotch punching
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
like basically the difference between the GTA series and the Saints Row series in how they come across to me in their presentations is that I feel like GTA is trying to Tell A Story that I really have no interest in and also find at its core somewhat offensive, whereas Saints Row is basically just an excuse to string incidences of mayhem together with little concern for logic, character identification or plausibility
having not played either game series, I don't know if those impressions actually make sense
in most cases, those horrible d-bags aren't horrible to, say, their white bro friends, which massively undercuts their excuses
there is also a difference between humor in entertainment and behavior in polite society and how a comment may be true in one of those contexts and false in the other
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
So, Mario was voiced by Ahmed Best all along?
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
plz god remove IGN from this earth thx.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
IGN: How about having the opportunity to have sex with the DOA characters?
Itagaki: Well, we felt that would disrespectful to the characters.
IGN: Haha, yeah. How about forced sex?
Itagaki: What is wrong with you?
IGN: Haha, nothing. Haha.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, nothing. Haha
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
that ign stuff does bring up a good question, which is why very little mainstream/conventional game review attempts to deal with these sorts of issues, let alone even mention them? like it kind of makes sense for somebody to have at least mentioned some of the crazy stuff that pops up time to time in these games, but frankly the only time where i see this stuff mentioned is on uh ilg tbh.
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
b/c mainstream/conventional game reviews are all getting beaucoup payola from the publishers and again primarily written by the same poorly socialized rape culture audience
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Here is a picture of the interviewer:
https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/841283041/DougPerrywdaughterVivi_1.jpg
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
call CPS imo
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
idk silby i dont think that mainstream game reviews are that tacitly dumb/unpleasant - again i wonder if it comes down to fear of the audience. like if you say that resident evil 5 might have a tiny smidge of racism the nerds are going to bum rush your forums looking for blood or something
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait this thread is reminding me: have we mentioned the massive shitstorm that erupted when Film Crit Hulk put out that first post deconstructing the weird misogynist shit in Arkham City?
http://filmcrithulk.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/goddammit-video-games-the-first-few-hours-of-arkham-city-is-lots-of-fun-but-super-duper-sexist/
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link