Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (four years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (four years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Alot of๏ปฟ this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (four years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (four years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (four years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (four years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (four years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (four years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (four years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (four years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (four years ago) Permalink

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dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (four years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (four years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (four years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (four years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (four years ago) Permalink

hoskins transcends race and racism?
i'm pretty sure battleship: the movie is going to contain all sorts of jingoism and boobplay that wasn't inherent in the game.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:34 (four years ago) Permalink

IGN: Is there by chance a trampoline game in DOAX2? We think that would be an excellent addition to the mini-games.

Itagaki: So we have to pick from a long list of minigame ideas and I'm pretty sure trampoline minigames were part of the initial list, but we didn't pick it. That's because of the kind of game that DOAX2 is; we have to be really careful not to make it seem vulgar. Certain activities show the women in a negative light.

So it's not so much about bouncing per say. The key to the game is love. When they love the character, how do they feel when they see the character do whatever she's doing? We don't want to make them feel bad.

(Laughter.)

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:35 (four years ago) Permalink

GN: It seems like that game is ripe for a wet t-shirt contest.

Itagaki: Well, it becomes the issue of love again.

IGN: So that's too far?

Itagaki: You don't want your girlfriend being seen in a wet T-shirt contest, right?

IGN: No, not mine. But it's OK for me to see other people's girlfriends... (Laughter.)

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:36 (four years ago) Permalink

btw here is the male figure you get if you set the "body type" dial all the way to its biggest setting on Star Wars: The Old Republic, and then there is the female option at the same chunkiest setting
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6995/000grzxh.jpg

don't know if you guys can see the slight disparity, i mean it is pretty subtle

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink


sry, am bad at ilx

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

lol Battleship: The Movie is maybe stacking the deck a tiny bit, considering the video game context in which this conversation started

DOA3 is actually the only game I'm embarrassed to own; I bought it because the fighting got good marks (and it was a decent fighting game, if not really comparable to the Big Games) and shortly afterward they announced the beach volleyball game and I basically just wanted to die

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

one thing i can definitely say about saints row 3 is that it is absolutely neutral when it comes to making characters morbidly obese

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:39 (four years ago) Permalink

the gameplay footage of Saints Row 3 make it seem to be flat-out insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:42 (four years ago) Permalink

also I am lolling pretty hard at SW:TOC's pie disparity

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:42 (four years ago) Permalink

my wife and i have a friend who said something about not wanting to be "jew'd down", and my wife chalked it up to something akin to using "gyp", but we both agreed that it's insane to actually say that, even unconsciously imo. but our friend, she's also from another part of the country where it might be extremely common. i dunno where it's common, i never heard it growing up around me (i heard other reprehensible shit) so it still shocks me.

nomar, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

isn't gyp a slur too tho

adam, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:19 (one week ago) Permalink

yes don't use it

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:20 (one week ago) Permalink

I think that was nomar's point? ie it's a slur but an unconscious one that a bunch of people who use it don't actually interrogate to notice what they're actually saying (which is insane but also how part and parcel of the unreliable narrative/selective memory ppl use to convince themselves that 100% of the time they are good ppl)

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

remember when jaymc said "coon's age" in that one thread

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:31 (one week ago) Permalink

really we just need a meme drive to purge all those phrases and replace them with "saxophone"

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's in this weird zone where it's absolutely a slur - I don't use it, I call it out when I hear it, and I'd expect say an ilxor not to use it. But I expect that 95+% of the people who use it (a) have no idea it's a slur (b) have no idea it's even short for "Gypsy" (c) have no idea "Gypsy" refers to a specific ethnic group that still exists in the world and not just in vaguely-remembered childhood tales or romanticized pop songs.

All those things need to be corrected obviously - similar to lots of American idioms that are descended from racist slurs and are long overdue for being re-examined and purged from the language. But still a little different from, say, my late father, who was brought up to be specifically suspicious of present-day Gypsies, that they would steal your stuff and that's why you should put valuable things in the trunk before you leave the house and not when you arrive at your destination, etc.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:41 (one week ago) Permalink

the difference being that large portions of the US have no no cultural understanding that "gypped" (people even write it as "jipped") has anything to do with romani people, and people use "gypsy" as some sort of romanticized word for someone who's somewhat nomadic, not even in a negative way

there's no cultural disconnect from "jew'd", it's all right there

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:47 (one week ago) Permalink

xp to DC saying my point

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:47 (one week ago) Permalink

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

It reminds me of the whole south park comparison -- paradoxically, I go into full-on stereotype mode when I see news of these video game/youtube idiots throwing out racist crap because I am sure that 2/3 of them have no life experience outside of video games. They go to a very socially homogenous school/workplace, go to some clothing/food/supply superstore like Target or Wal-Mart in their exurb/suburb and then going back to play more video games and yell racial slurs online. Because they only have a vague idea of a human cultural experience that doesn't involve the narrow slice they've been served up, and it's like a bizarro world monoculture

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:56 (one week ago) Permalink

the difference being that large portions of the US have no no cultural understanding that "gypped" (people even write it as "jipped") has anything to do with romani people, and people use "gypsy" as some sort of romanticized word for someone who's somewhat nomadic, not even in a negative way

there's no cultural disconnect from "jew'd", it's all right there

This is why I said it was insane.

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:42 (one week ago) Permalink

kinda surprised trump hasn't used it as a sign of his respect for the jewish people's negotiating prowess

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Do you think that figure is higher or lower than non-Youtubers?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:48 (one week ago) Permalink

xp he's completely oblivious about nuance, so I'm sure he has

it's like that article about how the television show people had to get him to stop referring to lil jon as "uncle tom" -- it wasn't that he didn't know it was bad, it was that he thought it was funny he was saying a bad phrase, but it was also obvious he had absolutely no idea what an "uncle tom" was or any idea of context

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:52 (one week ago) Permalink

PDP was running w the kind of schtick that has been South Park's bread and butter for decades. not just SP though, ironic racism is par for the course for edgy modern comedy, even progressive Colbert had his "ironic" asian/latin stereotypes as re-occurring gags. i think the joke is meant to be "We are so far past this stuff that it's absurdly beyond us (and kitschy) to indulge in archaic styles of exploitation". it is a form of privilege denial that makes one oblivious to the fact that they are just spreading more hate.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 February 2017 22:46 (five days ago) Permalink

that's what made Colbert doing it so much more egregious than SP or someone like PDP imo, he should've known better

Nhex, Thursday, 16 February 2017 22:50 (five days ago) Permalink


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