Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Auerbach in the entertainingly precarious position where there people who he'd piss off by turning GG have spotted what he's doing, but anyone in actual GG hasn't - given half a chance he'd try to be the next Milo (!) but the fish, they aren't biting.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

I just see those blocks of text and skim them and just don't want to even bother. If you take everything written about GG about 1% of it has to do with actual video games and the other 99% is a vortex of high school gossip-style bs spinning around in a toilet that is too full of shit to fully flush out.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

aaaahhahahah yes, political historians will eventually unite around 2014 as a realignment year, when the US left (including the Dems) finally developed a counterargument to the social justice movement, around the nation-rocking flashpoint of ethics in video game journalism. amazing.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

it gets more hilarious the more i look at it

goole, Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

It mainly seems like people that are bored with video games and would rather treat social media like a new kind of game and using other people (who are real but may as well be virtual avatars) as NPCs/enemies in whatever game they are making up in their heads. All of the scary left wing figures they are fighting actually talk about video games and engage w the medium far more than GG drama queens.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

a vortex of high school gossip-style bs spinning around in a toilet that is too full of shit to fully flush out.

^^^^ ty for this frankly unforgettable image

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

are these guys getting a booth at e3

― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:50 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even a shithole meeting room (not a booth even) in the basement is like way expensive, barebones table booth space in kentia hall would probably be like 30K or something, i think it was 20ish last time we bothered

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 June 2015 17:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

i smell a kickstarter

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 17:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

i can't believe this is still a thing.

how

head clowning instructor (art), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

ethics in journalism iirc

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 5 June 2015 19:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

really bringing it all together

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39fill/discussionnow_you_see_why_gamergate_matters/

goole, Thursday, 11 June 2015 20:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

tl;dr: To quote /u/AlexHD's version of an old poem:

First they came for the Gamergaters, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Gamergater.

Then they came for the fat haters, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a fat hater.

Then they came for the Reddit users, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Reddit user.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

goole, Thursday, 11 June 2015 20:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

[–]IanPatrick1966 32 points 3 hours ago*

To confirm what you're saying: I've never posted in fatpeoplehate but once they banned the sub and didn't ban others like /r/coontown I took up the mantle of honorary shit-lord and have been upvoting posts from fellow shitlords across the entire site. I've also never even heard of Gamer Gate... but frankly I don't give any fucks about video games, journalism, or women so :/

EDIT: Was banned from Niel Degrasee Tyson's AMA because I asked his opinion on fat people. Da. Fuq.

goole, Thursday, 11 June 2015 20:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Judge all black people by the actions of the few - Racism
Judge all people who are against censorship and thought policing by the actions of a few - Social justice
This is the problem with social 'justice':

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” -- C.S. Lewis

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[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 5 points 7 hours ago
That's some top shelf quality posting there, leader.

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 June 2015 20:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh good, now my skin is crawling

DJP, Thursday, 11 June 2015 20:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

wowww_something random and stupid 6 points 3 hours ago
If only Jack Thompson could have been a victimized woman with feminism at his back. He would have made mad bank instead of being laughed out of his profession.
Anita doesn't even have a profession, and she's hailed as skilled in her field.
It sounds like a terribly bad joke, if you think about it.

Atratus920 2 points 3 hours ago
Straight fucking up, man.
Logic no longer exists in this world as something good people can use to move forward. We have to learn how to shout loud and repeat the same "victim" exploiting crap. Actual thought apparently no longer matters.

Every time I look into this stuff it is just a bizarre anti-realm of newspeak and oblivious irony. A lot of it does read like teenagers who just read Rand for the first time, the world is just a laboratory for them to test the limits of free speech, which drives an ideology of self-victimization, historical revisionism, and toxic paranoia.

They rant about SJWs claiming the victim, while every post is whiny shit about how the entire world is a conspiracy against them.

They rant about the dangers of censorship and opportunists yet embrace an opportunist who made his career censoring games.

All the bad qualities and tactics they project onto SJWs are all they have. They are the only things holding together this leaderless directionless destructive 'movement'.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

this Jack Thompson thing is so bizarre, he wanted to ban GTA one of the games they defend against SJWS!!!!!!! wtf

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

one of the great far-right ideas these kids have imbibed is that "progressivism" is the new state religion so contemporary feminist/antiracist critics and 80s-era xtian fundie media fighter types are the same thing

goole, Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:16 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I fucking WISH progressivism was the new state religion

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i guess

also i suppose the tendency of ppl who are complete pieces of shit to congregate together

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

ilg board description

polyphonic, Thursday, 11 June 2015 21:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

wait wait wait these twatjockeys are DEFENDING Jack thompson now, wtf!?

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 11 June 2015 22:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I noticed a ton of /kotakuinaction subreddit threads firin up once the fatpeoplehate batsignal went up =\

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

feel like this might be helpful some day so just putting it here

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

are you ready for ethics lmao

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 June 2015 13:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 July 2015 04:36 (1 hour ago) Permalink


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