Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

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dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I donate to charity all the time regardless of what 'gates are in style

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 14:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

Similarly the FTC communication that they're getting excited about now is something that they're excited about because it's a way to piss off Gawker - but the FTC is looking at it in particular because Gamasutra was enquiring about YouTube advertorials six months ago.

Also of course lol at the polite tone of "You haven't done the thing we wanted, do you have another email address we could use?"

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 14:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol @ the gamerghazi graphic, featuring a blonde cartoon girl and no actual women

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 19:28 (Yesterday) Permalink

"NAMBLA has already rescued 167 puppies from animal shelters this year. But so-called "child-advocates" have rescued ZERO PUPPIES. Who are the real bad guys here?"

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 19:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 19:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

the gamergate book is evolving:

We never got along perfectly well with the wider world, but we always worked to improve it. We worked to make it lulzier, to bend reality to our own purposes, to end that that was our foe in this great war. This great war across not only the Internet, but across the outer world. Our armies waged war against Scientology and their proto-SJW brainwashing. Hacker artillery shelled the sites of oppressive (real oppression, not SJ “oppression”) middle eastern governments in support of the ordinary men protesting the governments. When a corporate security firm came to crush us, we besieged them and revealed their darkest secrets to the world. When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:08 (Yesterday) Permalink

When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.
When we heard those running Habbo Hotel were oppressing their users (the truly oppressed), we invaded the hotel and seized the pool.

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

heroes

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

hahaha

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pools-closed (fyi)

1staethyr, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

but also lmao

1staethyr, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

I was just reading that link

still lolling

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

Whhaaat

jmm, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:21 (Yesterday) Permalink

I honestly can't imagine what it's like to be this stupid.

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

what is that?

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:29 (Yesterday) Permalink

looks like a swastika

this things i believe (art), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:32 (Yesterday) Permalink

I mean who are the people

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:33 (Yesterday) Permalink

Read the link

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:34 (Yesterday) Permalink

The internet is so fucking stupid

In early 2008, a Texan named Mary Alice Altorfer came across a “Pool’s Closed” sign in her neighborhood and called the local news station with a claim that it was promoting racial discrimination. Altorfer’s encounter with an internet meme in real life was soon turned into a news story and after the broadcast, a video clip of the report was uploaded onto YouTube. In the following days, members of Anonymous allegedly launched a harassment campaign against the woman.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

It's a "real life 'swastiget'", apparently? I have no idea.

The Habbo Hotel raids by 4chan’s /b/ became so popular that they eventulally gained some offline recognition as well. In Finland, people rallied together outside Sulake’s headquarters (the parent company of Habbo Hotel) in afro wigs and suits, forming a real life “swastiget.” In the center was someone cosplaying the character Suiseiseki from the anime Rozen Maiden.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:36 (Yesterday) Permalink

Read the link

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:34 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Didn't mean for this to sound harsh, just that the link sums up what would be a very unwieldy explanation

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:37 (Yesterday) Permalink

one minute youre lightly trolling some online anime hangout the next youre forming a human swastika while cosplaying blackness, life comes at you fast

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

That it started from rumours of racial profiling and ended in that... I don't know, the psychology here is too deep for me.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:57 (Yesterday) Permalink

As time went on, people would go on to cosplay the “Pool’s Closed” avatars at anime and internet culture conventions

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 23:03 (Yesterday) Permalink

that "charity" jpg manages to finish by quoting/picturing one of the biggest creeps i've seen pop up in this thing

goole, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 23:17 (Yesterday) Permalink


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