Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

That almost reads like a direct reflection of how manga markets have been for over a decade.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

That almost reads like a direct reflection of how manga markets have been for over a decade.

Yeah, that's true. There's a very big overlap between the manga/anime audience and the video game audience.

Multimedia franchises - play the game, read the comic, watch the anime, buy the soundtrack, buy the figures/merchandise, play the pachinko machine, read the light novel, watch the movie etc.

Tokyo Crow, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

Oh good, that's happening

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

Dammit. https://twitter.com/hashtag/comicgate

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

haha #NotAllRadioDisneySingles

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

then they came for milo manara and i was silent
because i had been bound tightly in leather straps and a ball gag

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 20:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

hahahahaha

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 20:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

The general response appears to be that it's a shame that the ladies are so ill-informed about what GamerGate is about.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 25 September 2014 09:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

if only some MANS would exPLAIN it to them!

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Thursday, 25 September 2014 10:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

"this is about corruption in journalism!" starting to sound a lot like "the civil war was about states rights!"

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 07:34 (8 hours ago) Permalink

That's really depressing. The comments are really depressing. The only hope I can draw from this is that the men behind it are so noxious and emotionally stunted they will never get to multiply.

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Thursday, 2 October 2014 08:27 (8 hours ago) Permalink

The subject of this article has actually been going out of her way to berate, provoke and insult gamers for years. Calling them things like nerds, losers etc and how they "take their hobby way too seriously".
-- Joe Random Asshole Commenter

I can't say I had particularly noticed this vibe in Leigh Alexander's articles "for years" but either way it's funny how they don't mind it when Milo Yiannopoulos does it:

Personally, I don't understand grown men wasting their lives playing computer games. It seems a bit sad to me. . . . Is it me, or do these weirdos need therapy and their internet connections taken away by mum?

Anyway it sucks that this has happened, very disappointing

(plus, Gamasutra is for game design/developers and 99% of the gamergate brigade strike me as... not having spent the time thinking about games on the level required to/inspired by actually trying to make one, at whatever point on the continuum from dabbling to professionalism. so screw those guys for getting out their pretending-to-be-target-audience crayons. but y'know that's a totally unjustified kneejerk assumption and could be entirely wrong.)

club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:49 (6 hours ago) Permalink

really shitty behaviour on the part of intel too imo

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:02 (6 hours ago) Permalink

"we pay a lot of attention to what our awful moronic immature sexist manchild customers think"

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:03 (6 hours ago) Permalink

Pulling ads from that particular site seems really misguided

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:12 (3 hours ago) Permalink

i had dinner with leigh alexander once and, unprovoked, she went on a long spiel about how important sierra adventure games were to her worldview. anybody who thinks she's not a hardcore game nerd has never met her.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:14 (2 hours ago) Permalink

and yes, what a dumbfuck move by intel

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:14 (2 hours ago) Permalink

well then she should know how important it is to save early and often
ok that has nothing to do with this, but i'm just sayin'

Nhex, Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:18 (2 hours ago) Permalink

intel should've known better considering the army of lawyers and analysts they must have

Nhex, Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:19 (2 hours ago) Permalink

tbf developers are going to end up buying a bunch of intel shit whether or not they advertise, anyway

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:53 (1 hour ago) Permalink

ya im sure they dont really give that much of a shit whether they advertise on some dinky nerd website or not

lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:24 (1 hour ago) Permalink

well, it's one of those things where they want developers to optimize for whatever intel platform and put "runs best on intel" on the box for their games but ehhh

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:41 (47 minutes ago) Permalink


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