Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
PeachyzeldagirlXD 3 weeks ago

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't read the article either tbh

polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

huh - interesting

Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 21:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

She makes a good point! it's only good business that she gets pilloried.

Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

definitely. such a weird situation. i sort of knew about the whole internet MRA personality industry, but didn't connect the dots the way she does there.

Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i love how she tried using the camera to look at dudes butts and it wouldn't let her

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"STRATEGIC BUTT COVERINGS"
i never stop being astonished that sarkeesian has made her bones on the most astonishingly obvious points
i also never stop being astonished that people think there's any reasonable way to argue her astonishingly obvious points
it is a mystery

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

otm this is something that has always puzzled me as well. i initially thought her first vid was a bust BC it seemed too thin but from the backlash against her it would seem she is something of a revolutionary thinker for bothering to state facts in evidence

art, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

look at all these examples of blatant sexism in popular media
*shows examples of blatant sexism but doesn't leave comments on*
truth in journalism gnash gnash gonna SWAT you i am so easily shook

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 20:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

maybe she should start cursing constantly and screaming in her videos, that seems to make them better

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I thought the entire point behind what Sarkeesian was doing WAS that it was all super-obvious low-hanging fruit that is taken as the baseline mainstream threshold of gaming and shouldn't be.

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It is! But it's been basically the same video/backlash cycle now for over a year and it's shocking that the same shibboleths still get a rise out of the trolls.

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah you would think these kids had a better grasp of basic feminist theory

No stage school training, natural talent and attitude by the shed (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

99% of the time it's just basic common sense

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

common sense needs to be pointed out too

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

society is in

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

difficult to get a man to understand something when his sociopathic power fantasies depend on his not understanding it iirc

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

https://blog.twitter.com/2016/announcing-the-twitter-trust-safety-council

anita sarkeesian has been named to some sort of "twitter safety council" and they are mad

goole, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:47 (4 days ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/697137171350876161

goole, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:47 (4 days ago) Permalink

The internet is making me go "uh" a lot more than usual this week

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:56 (4 days ago) Permalink

barely sublimated eroticism in that commentary

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:58 (4 days ago) Permalink

that guy is one of the most abjectly pitiful regular participants of the Gamergate hashtag

I mean that bio, christ

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:59 (4 days ago) Permalink

sweet dali painting tho

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:00 (4 days ago) Permalink

this is the person who runs the scholarship fund for white men that milo founded:

https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/697148365285564418

still about the same stuff then

goole, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

"first made the news as the world's premier bellydancer with an ostomy"

cooooool

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:05 (4 days ago) Permalink


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