Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (four years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (four years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (four years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (four years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (four years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (four years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (four years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (four years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (four years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (four years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (four years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (four years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (four years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (four years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (four years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (four years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (four years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (four years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (four years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (four years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (four years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (four years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (four years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (four years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (four years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (four years ago) Permalink

iirc you should be out earning rent money instead of watching him play games

que? I work dammit!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:54 (four months ago) Permalink

Are u srs about the action figure. Does her boobs inflate when you squish her.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 02:54 (four months ago) Permalink

no but they are squishy

mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 04:28 (four months ago) Permalink

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

brexit through the rift shock (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:25 (four months ago) Permalink

So creepy, I love it

Nhex, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 09:30 (four months ago) Permalink

so this happened

Twitter bans Breitbart's Milo Yiannopoulos for harassment
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-mn-twitter-milo-yiannopoulos-20160719-snap-story.html#nt=oft07a-3gp1

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 06:25 (four months ago) Permalink

Good!

how's life, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:33 (four months ago) Permalink

This wasn’t the first time Yiannopoulos has been subject to punitive measures on Twitter: Last year, his account lost its blue verification checkmark. In response, he complained to the White House about the supposed violation of his freedom of speech.

this fuckin guy

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:34 (four months ago) Permalink

access to twitter is not a fundamental human right

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:36 (four months ago) Permalink

'they banned me from starbucks because i kept asking them to write my name as 'shitcock mccunt' on my takeout cup!'

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:39 (four months ago) Permalink

I watched the whole thing and did a little dance when you posted that

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 18:02 (four months ago) Permalink

my man

http://porno (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 18:43 (four months ago) Permalink

...hannity?

woke newt (stevie), Thursday, 21 July 2016 09:25 (four months ago) Permalink

I can decode "weaponized insincerity" but "structured ignorance" is a colorless green idea

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 July 2016 04:49 (four months ago) Permalink

Structured ignorance = if this weren't true, there wouldn't be a couple of newspapers and a dozen blogs and a news TV channel (and a school textbook) that tells me it's true.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:28 (four months ago) Permalink

that needs another modifier (willful) imho but ok

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:39 (four months ago) Permalink

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/07/29/487832991/south-korea-is-contending-with-a-gamergate-of-its-own-over-a-t-shirt

http://www.themarysue.com/feminism-around-the-world-korean-voiceover-actress/

https://realkoreans.com/2016/01/08/korean-feminism-reins-in-the-collective-power-of-the-internet/

http://www.koreabang.com/2016/features/the-rise-of-radical-korean-feminist-community-megalia.html

Recent story about a voice actress being fired for wearing an ordinary feminist t-shirt but some are saying it's about the group who sell the shirts. A satiric feminist group that has done a lot of good but divided up into different splinter groups have been accused of all sorts of harassment, death threats, defending a paedophile, racism and outing homosexuals. Some say this is all satire or just lies spread by the extreme men's groups but the one about homosexuals seems to be true of some of the factions.
A lot of this stuff is in the comments, I haven't read it all closely so I don't know what to make of it all but if it is absurdly extreme satire that lots of people are misinterpreting, it seems like a really risky way to combat the men's groups and misogyny in general.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 August 2016 13:00 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

xpost from current election thread:

Virtual reality Facebook billionaire bankrolled anti-Hillary meme club: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luckey-the-facebook-billionaire-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html
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Nhex, Friday, 23 September 2016 06:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Hate these choads so much

tongue and cheek (stevie), Friday, 23 September 2016 09:52 (two months ago) Permalink

does being a tech millionaire make you a libertarian shitheel or do you need to be a libertarian shitheel to be a tech billionaire?

the 4channing of culture is genuinely fucking terrifying tbh

the devastation is very important to me (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 September 2016 10:28 (two months ago) Permalink

millionaire/billionaire confusion there but you know what i mean

the devastation is very important to me (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 September 2016 10:28 (two months ago) Permalink

its all about arrested development and permanent adolescence and hating women because you can't talk to one without shitting your pants, isn't it? and having no knowledge of anything beyond your computer monitor.

tongue and cheek (stevie), Friday, 23 September 2016 11:16 (two months ago) Permalink

a lifetime's worth of resentment being acted out bc they have money basically

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 23 September 2016 21:22 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

let's make casual sexism less accepted
http://gamecenter.nyu.edu/nyu-game-center-announces-new-scholarship-women-game-designers/

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 20 October 2016 21:42 (one month ago) Permalink


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