Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe we could make it a 77 thread if there's concern about randoms showing up

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

as a non-77er I would be sad if my right to laugh at neckbeards was denied

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

too late sorry, u should request access

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 31 October 2014 14:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

we should make a private I Love Neckbeards board

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

call it GizzardChan

The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

as a non-77er I would be sad if my right to laugh at neckbeards was denied

cosign ;_;

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:31 (Yesterday) Permalink

at this juncture i think having threads to dredge up the most toxic misogynistic lunatic shit we can find is nagl

example (crüt), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:33 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yes! I knew Amazing Atheist would come through. https://twitter.com/amazingatheist/status/527975524703141888

jmm, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

xp yeah crut i think that's true but on the other hand we have a bunch of threads for collating lolworthy internet stupids

The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:37 (Yesterday) Permalink

i can never remember which pill is which : /

mookieproof, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah idk seems like we have any number of rolling threads for documenting dudes of this variety

if anything GG demonstrates how interlinked and indistinguishable they are anyway

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:47 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh i didn't get you started one already! carry on

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Friday, 31 October 2014 15:50 (Yesterday) Permalink

we should make a private I Love Neckbeards board

― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Friday, October 31, 2014 11:06 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

call it GizzardChan

― The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, October 31, 2014 11:17 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

Doctor Casino, Friday, 31 October 2014 16:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

xp to crut: yeah I can see for similar reasons to the "Is This Racist" thread that we don't want to just have a thread of "Here's a big heaping pile of toxic woman hating" thread. But some of this shit is so unintentionally hilarious. So w/e, I defer to mods if they want to lock the thread I started.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 31 October 2014 16:10 (Yesterday) Permalink

(aside from inchoate anti-woman rage of course) the illiteracy and miseducation of GG is the thing that drives me up a fuckin wall most

“If you’re going to demonize the word [gamer], then demonize ‘feminism’ too,” wrote one reader with the display name I’m a Gamer, “because it’s been hijacked by radicalists trying to subjugate men.”

"radicalists"?

caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:48 (Yesterday) Permalink

fun fact i have come across several GGers who literally think sarkeesian was unable to name 3 video games on colbert

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

Idiots

Frederik B, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

Like, you really have to have never ever watched an interview with anyone to believe that.

Frederik B, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:21 (Yesterday) Permalink

Also the idea that she wants ''all games to be Candy Crush or Angry Birds,'' which requires you misread virtually every word in all of her videos, interviews and writings.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:34 (Yesterday) Permalink

I doubt very much if all but a handful of these fucknuts have ever bothered to do any of those things

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

There was even specifically a segment in one of her videos about gender stereotyping in Angry Birds.

Iain Mew (if), Friday, 31 October 2014 23:39 (Yesterday) Permalink

(aside from inchoate anti-woman rage of course) the illiteracy and miseducation of GG is the thing that drives me up a fuckin wall most

“If you’re going to demonize the word [ gamer], then demonize ‘feminism’ too,” wrote one reader with the display name I’m a Gamer, “because it’s been hijacked by radicalists trying to subjugate men.”

"radicalists"?

― caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Friday, October 31, 2014 4:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A meme that I have seen often in MRA/Redpill/ROK/Gamergate/random other black hold internet comment threads is "I think feminism achieved some good once when it was just fighting for equal rights for women, but now the RADICAL feminists have ruined everything." It's very much parallel imo to people who claim to be for civil rights but you know that was a thing we already sorted out and now these angry blacks keep playing the race card.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 November 2014 01:50 (52 minutes ago) Permalink

*hole

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 November 2014 01:51 (51 minutes ago) Permalink

i don't think i've read anything by any of these guys where they've used the word feminist w/o throwing radical in front of it, which is SOP form of dismissing the interest of the other

Clay, Saturday, 1 November 2014 01:52 (51 minutes ago) Permalink

yeah I mean it's just a rhetorically defensive move "Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about the RADICAL feminists," but then everything remotely feminist gets termed "radical."

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 1 November 2014 02:16 (27 minutes ago) Permalink


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