Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Must have been more people in the film than watching it.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Sunday, 2 August 2015 13:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

lolllllloollllll

hope ipsum can bounce back from this

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 2 August 2015 15:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

LOL

Getting ipsum wrong is next level incompetence.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 2 August 2015 16:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh god

bizarro gazzara, Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's sweet how these benign old gentlemen are trying to get in touch with what the kids are doing

the lion tweets tonight (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm not quite sure where else to put this, but I know we've talked about roosh v itt before. Looks like his reputation is beginning to precede him http://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/roosh-v-chased-out-of-montreal-bar#.noRd8zBZD

(extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 21:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

bill kristol is into misogyny in all its forms, new and old

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 21:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol at that roosh motherfucker getting completely shut down by an entire city

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 21:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

In addition to a speech and Q&A period, Roosh promises time for attendees to “have an intimate one-on-one moment with myself where we can take selfies together.”

huh

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 22:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This is slightly off-topic I guess

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/11/technology/mens-rights-activist-chic-ceo/index.html

Rava, who also serves as secretary to men's rights organization National Coalition for Men, declined to talk to CNN Money by phone. ("I do not trust you will quote me correctly or in the proper context given your leftwing, pro-female, anti-male bias," he wrote in an email.

Rava said this about CNN Money! Pretty good.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 23:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

v distant fb friend shared BREITBART link to MILO story about ROOSH in admiring tones and I thought, oh yeah, you've got to be muted right the fuck now

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 07:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Fuckin' Roosh was on the front page of the National Post, below the fold, earlier this week

Purves Grundy (kingfish), Friday, 14 August 2015 10:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/13/9149481/violent-video-games-aggression-research-review-report-apa-resolution

What do you think?

I think saying there is a link between violent video games and aggression is kind of duh. Any violent media will attract people that enjoy violence. It is a very easy conclusion to reach.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I think the blame for a lot of racist/sexist/violence tropes and stuff in video games lies on US pop culture, specifically TV and Hollywood movies. The 80s had a weird experimental phase in the beginning which completely collapsed and was saved mostly by games that wished they were James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. But this generation of games was arguably dominated by Japanese developers who took inspiration from US culture. By the time America began to make a serious step back into video games, it was in a post-9/11 world. The games that the US put out were often historical war/assassination simulators and featured violent elements like torture and mass murder at the same time the gov't was signing off on those things irl.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 August 2015 22:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

when the parody of the thing is indistinguishable from the thing itself mostly cause you can't overdo the overdone

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 August 2015 22:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that polygon report was pretty even-keeled - i rarely see something so sober said as violence behavior could be an accumulation of various risk factors in these kinds of stories

Nhex, Friday, 14 August 2015 23:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that simpsons episode came out like four years before Batman & Robin, forks

Now Dom Go Suggbanizer Way (Why?) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, the parody leads to the institutionalized norm was part of my point (though i coulda phrased that better)

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 00:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 31 August 2015 10:44 (5 days ago) Permalink

i gather anita sarkeesian put out another video today?

and this 'movement' is still going on! amazing to think of really. here's a decent writeup of the current situation, which is about the same as it's always been. their meetups have received bomb threats on at least two occasions i've heard of, which is really fucked up.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2015/08/27/play-it-straight-and-theyre-still-irate-year-hostile-feedback

goole, Monday, 31 August 2015 21:49 (5 days ago) Permalink

omg the ab dudes

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 31 August 2015 21:50 (5 days ago) Permalink

your terrible ideas (gamer edition):

A bizzaro Anita Sarkeesian video that with the help of modded game footage shows a world where you play a female in games like gtav and god of war, and all the men are hookers, slaves and other sex objects. Lots of in game footage of men looking like models and being treated like dirt. Some wear chaps, some wear speedos, some nudity here and there... yada yada yada

The Once-ler, Monday, 31 August 2015 22:48 (5 days ago) Permalink

oh... and all the dialogue can stay the same, just substitute female nouns/pronouns for male ones and vice versa

The Once-ler, Monday, 31 August 2015 22:53 (5 days ago) Permalink

Yeah, laughing at the ab dudes heartily

Purves Grundy (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 02:40 (4 days ago) Permalink


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