copying this over from the other thread because i thinks it a very interesting and good point to think abt
i wonder if part of it is because games are often a solo experience (though not always of course) whereas movies, at some point in their release cycle at least, are experienced collectively? in other words, because the casual racism is easier for people to swallow by themselves as opposed to in a group?― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:29 PM (25 minutes ago)
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:29 PM (25 minutes ago)
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day
― bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol gg then
― bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
fyi listening to that may drive you crazy
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
the Mario Kart one is also insane
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
"So long, gay Bowser!"
― beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*PeachyzeldagirlXD 3 weeks ago
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.
― beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha awesome typo
"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'ma luigi. nambar wan.
― goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.
― goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to
― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
WTF??? Xpost
hahahaha
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"
― sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
boob slider:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball
... why does my lizard lady have tits.
This thread is comedy username gold
― og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
wd play all the games with massive shadebobs
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch
― instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces
lol this was xposted by dayo
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
generally
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 22:53 (1 month ago) Permalink
i mean it looks like a fun game?
did they run this feature before or after guy put his foot in his mouth i wonder
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/you-dont-like-breasts-you-must-like-men-the-disappointing-conversation-and
― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 22:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
dont read the comments dont read the comments why do i always read the comments
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 22:58 (1 month ago) Permalink
so for a game that does not come out for three months there is a hell of a lot of porn of this
― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 23:01 (1 month ago) Permalink
... that walking gif looks kinda great actually
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 23:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
The hell is going on with the lumpy, horse-shaped amazon lady with a tiny head in that PA article thom posted? wtffff.
― It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
Coming this fall: R. Dragon's Crumb
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:06 (1 month ago) Permalink
ha, exactly!
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
i mean, i imagine an adventurer would get to have some pretty major thighs going on at some point. it's kind of funny kind of sad that the artist decided to exaggerate that to the level of fetish also?
― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
horsey
― mh, Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
"Let's step back from the social justice aspect of this kind of artwork and deal with the fact that 9 year-old girls find it stupid. I'd love for her to see games and want to be these women, not simply recoil at the fact that they're designed for my eyes more than her power fantasies."
Wtf, this is exactly what the social justice aspect is!
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 25 April 2013 07:37 (1 month ago) Permalink
it is and it isn't.
― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
i. i think this is a good case for why 'casual racism and sexism are more accepted in video games than other media' is a bad way of phrasing the argument vs. something like 'more visible in video games than other media'. -- like, having sexed-up fantasy figures turned up to such a ridic degree makes it more obvious and undeniable that something's going on, that there is a problem here that needs addressing.
ii. kind of sad compared to previous form; a couple gay girls i know thought odin sphere was really amazing w/ the fairy princess types just whaling on guys and beating the shit out of them
iii. huh, i wanna play odin sphere
― the bitcoin comic (thomp), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:47 (1 month ago) Permalink
its on psn
― brb buying poppers w/my employee discount (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:50 (1 month ago) Permalink
i got it on sale on PSN a few weeks ago, been meaning to crack it
― Nhex, Thursday, 25 April 2013 18:05 (1 month ago) Permalink
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:29 (1 month ago) Permalink
weirdly into that
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
Reminding me weirdly of some awesome Greek mythology picture books I devoured as a kid.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 26 April 2013 03:34 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
Somehow more erotic than his woman pics
― mh, Friday, 26 April 2013 04:06 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
This guy really might have a future in dude-on-dude art
None of them looks mysteriously like a horse
― mh, Friday, 26 April 2013 04:07 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
i would play a game like that, maybe based on the three kingdoms
― 乒乓, Friday, 26 April 2013 11:51 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
that is making me nostalgic for Dragon Force
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:41 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
wm blake + zangief + bear porn
― goole, Friday, 26 April 2013 15:22 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
zangief and bear porn are kind of the same already i guess
yup
― Nhex, Friday, 26 April 2013 15:53 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
Odin Sphere I managed to snag used at a late lamented Hollywood Video at the end of the PS2. It's worth playing.
― Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:35 (4 weeks ago) Permalink