WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

I appreciate the romantic appeal of Dirty Work to some, but I think the only "boomer legends trapped in gated drum-land" artifact I'm personally enamored of is Neil's Landing On Water.

xpost yes. 13 seconds. sounds exactly like jimmy page. video handles this section poorly imo. "there's a guitar here so let's get some shots of keef and ronnie running around"

sorta agree with da croup on this one, though the the first 30 seconds are imo as powerful and ominous as anything they've done incl the intro to "gimme shelter."

I appreciate the romantic appeal of Dirty Work to some, but I think the only "boomer legends trapped in gated drum-land" artifact I'm personally enamored of is Neil's Landing On Water.

Oof. That one actually makes me angry, since it's the brilliant Steve Jordan being gated. Said gating ruins this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NulUOzBkjA

I don't mean Landing On Water is a genuine triumph, I just love how it sounds like an alternate reality where Crispin Glover played Crockett on Miami Vice.

the Booming Gated Drums of Dirty Work don't sound like LAW or Never Let Me Down's or other purported period catastrophes, in part b/c Charlie isn't drumming for almost half the record (one of the Nevilles and Ronnie do the honors). It's what tiggers like Steve Lilywhite do best.

"One Hit" made my ballot.

Ballot sent!

never forget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxsVJKAZsno&feature=relmfu

thought about putting that on my most hated

their last American top 40 hit!

btw if you guys wanna get a sense of how much Charlie, Keef, and Mick loathed each other in the mid eighties, watch this rehearsal footage, especially the gobsmacked journalist's response to Charlie's boredom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kilQ1qzYNc&feature=related

oh jesus I had forgotten about Rock and a Hard Place. and I was so happy. Curse you Alfred

wait wait wait is the choreographer Bruno from Dancing With the Stars? LOLOLOL

I listened to Rock & a Hard Place today & didn't hate it as much as Gomper so it made the non-cut

they won't defend Steel Wheels as a hidden masterpiece but croup and ship, a couple years younger than me, came of age when its singles were the last time MTV gave the Stones saturation play.

it's likable enough

I liked "Mixed Emotions" enough to ask for the cassingle as a kid (wound up getting "rock and a hard place" instead, wah wah) though when I heard it again recently it sounded pretty damn weak.

I just remember all those terrible music videos with Mick's pastel and primary color jackets

at this point any exploration of albums after Tattoo You would be done for case study

oh wait i like "She Was Hot"

xpost unless your name is a) Ismael or b) Alfred

yeah I couldn't go past Tattoo You, it hurt too much.

I'm planning on voting one Steel Wheels song

if I'm in the mood for variations on "Start Me Up" I put on this album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZB7QPOABEM

haha I don't listen to latter-day Stones albums often! But with a couple of exceptions the post-TY albums don't disgrace their legacy like IOR&R or GHS do. If you care about admittedly boring things like craftsmanship -- and what band but the Stones insists on evaluating them for craftsmanship? -- they were better at it in the eighties and nineties. Plus, like I've said repeatedly, Dirty Work is something of a last gasp for boomer rockers raging against the dying of VIP lounges.

yeah I couldn't go past Tattoo You, it hurt too much.

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:33 PM (

no offense but this is insane to me, especially since every song but two was recorded in the seventies

oh wait read you wrong -- sorry

GOATS HEAD SOUP IS NOT A DISGRACE

But with a couple of exceptions the post-TY albums don't disgrace their legacy like IOR&R or GHS do.

There's only been a couple albums post-TY!

six by my count

kind of amazing, considering it's been 30+ years since TY, which was less than 20 after their debut

the superb writeup of the Stones in the 1990 RS guide stressed the craft of their 80s work & pointed out how that's a judged a positive by regular fans of country & blues, genres for which the Stones had considerable sympathy

plus if you have a fever, the only cure is MORE GATED DRUMS

at this point any exploration of albums after Tattoo You would be done for case study

― da croupier, Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:30 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh wait i like "She Was Hot"

― da croupier, Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:31 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, undercover is semi-defensible. i like all three of the singles (including "too much blood"). any serious investment in the later albums has to be some combination of masochism, nostalgia and barefaced challops.

It just sounds like reheated hooks to me, and Mick's weird barky vocals really get on my nerves. To be fair, I haven't given them an earnest, non-prejudiced listen but I don't know if you understand how much it hurts to hear that stuff, given how much I loooooooooooove the 60's-70's Stones.

And I don't want danceable Stones, like nightclub dancing Stones. Outside of Miss You I can really live without that.

But with a couple of exceptions the post-TY albums don't disgrace their legacy like IOR&R or GHS do.

VG otm. where goats head soup is concerned, this is the basest of calumny. pistols at dawn.

I'm ready!

Aside from Angie & Starfucker GHS is listless.

GWS' flirtation with decadence sounds more jaundiced and cynical than Jagger in DW "honestly" writing and singing about his ambivalence about privilege.

well, duh

the murky production works superbly on Angie though, you can hear other vocals, distant moans, bleeding through.

besides I only own butter knives not swords so let's adjust dueling terms

if we were doing top 5 stone videos I'd have to throw a vote for this (sadly pulled from youtube): http://stsanders.com/www/pages/videos/band-shreds/sts-rolling-stones.php

I hear "Angie" and think lol American critics thought Bowie was a mannered vocalist?

it's about the piano imo, & the haunted background. isn't he singing about fucking Bowie's wife too?

when we were young the story was that Mick had fucked Bowie in a threesome with Angie; maybe Rod was there with the hamster & they all got thir stomach pumped the next morning

or fucking with Bowie

just listened to GHS today. it's a solid fucking record. fewer great songs than what preceded but the filler is really good filler and "winter" is all-time, unless you blame it for the counting crows.

makes a nice bookend with Satanic Majesties around the crazy-mojo peak.

There's nothing wrong with GHS at all, and even the 'worst' songs are nowhere near as unlistenable as the later period Stones stuff that Alfred stans for that I object to.

Winter's beautiful.

Goats Head Soup is better than its reputation. It's Only Rock 'n Roll, on the other hand, blows.

at this point any exploration of albums after Tattoo You would be done for case study

A Bigger Bang is great. It's one of the two or three best records they've made since 1972.

I do like Bigger Bang. I dont have any favorite tracks but I can listen to it without sadly shaking my head