Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

i mean maybe the 36% is just like, fuck it, let's see what the grand jury decides

i sort of feel that way now too, i'm willing to be angry all over again in april

1. Zimmerman was attacked 18%
2. Neither DNR 11%
3. Both DNR 4%
4. DK/Refused DNR 27%
5. Trayvon Martin was minding his own business 39%

nah dawg 36% is "I mostly just watch american idol and my facebook friends post pictures of puppies instead of political articles" and/or "I am an old man in a retirement home, who is this calling me, where am I"

heh

"america is confused"

18% think zimmerman should be arrested
20% think he shouldn't
62% are just happy they have someone to talk to on the phone cause their grandkids never call anymore

Not watching cable news helps.

In exchange for the Zimmerman conviction that's never going to happen at this point, can we sink Florida to the ocean floor and delete all cable news networks? I really think I'd settle for that.

56% of americans would be fine with sinking florida to the ocean floor, 77% if you only count people who have heard 'a great deal' about florida

can we put disney world on pontoons

the magic kingdom reef

no way I'm hanging on to one of Cinderella Castle's towers.

yo everybody I'm as into hating America as the next guy but public opinion polls throughout history wherever human beings are will always indicate that ppl are fuckin horrible monsters a lot of the time, America's got its own special nasty take on how to suck at being human but c'mon now what's terrible about a case like this + public reaction is that it reminds us that that our desire for people to be generally Good/belief in that proposition doesn't stop it from being true that people are often hateful & easy to manipulate

It's not just the opinion polls. They're simply verification (however skewed and inaccurate) of the extent to which so many people's latent racism is pouring forth as they rush to blame the victim of this travesty BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING BLACK AND APPARENTLY DESERVED TO FUCKING DIE.

Like, I'm as reasonable a "hey, man, let's try to fairly examine both sides of the issue" type as could be, but I see no other way to frame the position of these sub-human fucks.

move to europe, definitely no racism there

so many people's latent racism is pouring forth as they rush to blame the victim of this travesty BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING BLACK AND APPARENTLY DESERVED TO FUCKING DIE.

while i'm sure that's true in many/most cases, it's not the only way that people justify their disparagement of trayvon's character. people's latent (and not so latent) racism is pouring forth as they rush to assume that that the police response is being called into question and the case is receiving national attention only because the victim is black. this distrust leads them to accept even the most half-assed support they can find for "the official story".

same thing, i suppose.

No place is perfect. Always thought Toronto sounded pretty decent.

No place is perfect. Always thought Toronto sounded pretty decent.

― Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No minorities->no racism

people's latent (and not so latent) racism is pouring forth as they rush to assume that that the police response is being called into question and the case is receiving national attention only because the victim is black.

Yeah, but (and I realize I'm not telling you in particular anything new) cases like this very pointedly don't receive national attention very often specifically because the victims are black. I don't really recall instances of black people being so gouache as to complain en masse when there's national attention paid to similar incidents when the victim is white. Although I'd argue that they'd be in a much more defensible position if they did.

There's just no angle from which I can look at responses of this nature and see them as anything but inexcusably ignorant at best and horrifyingly racist at worst.

No minorities->no racism

F'real? I'd always heard Toronto was pretty racially/ethnically diverse. Unless this is what you mean by 'no minorities'.

see, the thing is, and this is why one wishes to reach through the screen to throttle Brooke Baldwin in the vid whiney linked upthread, there is no "if the victim were white" here because if the victim were white a motherfucker woulda got arrested.

Yeah, I'm curious: we've since heard about other insane instances when a murderer has walked because of this Stand Your Ground shit, but how many of the victims in those instances were white? I really wanna know. I'm gonna guess zero?

aren't people still supposed to be arrested with stand your ground? and THEN let go? i don't know the details but it seems absolutely fucked that these cases apparently don't have to go to court.

No minorities->no racism
― thistle supporter (mcoll),

the fuck?!

And also, Toronto has plenty of racism! Canada! We have racism too!

Montreal, also!

And xenophobia and police brutality! We do it all!

that's enough out of you, frenchy!

Yeah, I'm curious: we've since heard about other insane instances when a murderer has walked because of this Stand Your Ground shit, but how many of the victims in those instances were white? I really wanna know. I'm gonna guess zero?

dunno if this is true tbh

this law gets cited, like, all the time here

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty.html ">Voice on Recording Not Zimmermann Per Experts

Try 2

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty

Maybe he was screaming for help FOR zimmerman. u never kno

need scientific experts to analyze this piece of evidence

"I am very content with my size. some girls have complained I hurt them
because I was so big."

Hey maybe when Zimms done he can cap you next

*sylvia plath's self*

Voice on Recording Saying "You Got Me" Not Zimmerman Per Experts

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-quran-pastor-20120330_1_quran-burning-gainesville-pastor-fran-ingram

"He will be there to advocate for George Zimmerman's Constitutional rights," Ingram said.

if the situation were reversed? in front of witnesses?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/florida-shooting-focuses-attention-on-stand-your-ground-law/

A 2010 review by The St. Petersburg Times found that rates of justifiable homicide tripled since the law was passed and that “twice a week, on average, someone’s killing was considered warranted

holy shit this is so fucking bent

The Miami Herald recounts the known facts.

"He will be there to advocate for George Zimmerman's Constitutional rights," Ingram said.

― Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, April 1, 2012 8:32 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

worst part is using 'advocate' as an intransitive verb

that particular horse has left the barn, k3v

That's the first time I'd read the particulars of this story. Ugh. I had no idea it was raining, and that GZ was following the kid in his car.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/health/policy/09guns.html

this is fuckin nuts

maybe they should introduce legislation that you have to see pictures of an eight-year-old dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the home before you buy a gun

As generally anti-gun as I am personally, I have no inherent problem with gun ownership, hunting, shooting on a range, etc. I do, however, have huge problems with people toting guns around and legal concealment of weapons upon one's person and spineless governmental kowtowing to the pro-gun lobby's little pussy baby crying about the dire need of special rights and laws for gun owners. Owning a gun is like driving a car: it is a privilege, not a right, and in a sane and civil country, it should be super fucking easy for you to lose that privilege.