WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

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you don't vote for sway, i don't vote for satisfaction, it all works out. respect the rad use of guitar fx and maybe having to sing it in a cover band soured me a bit but, as discussed above, much as i respect it and even dig it, i've never loved it like i have others. so.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

holy crap, you voted for Cant You Hear Me Knocking, Ismael? I thought it was all 80's all the time with you? :)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haven't voted yet, I'm just lining them up. I may have to persuade the missus (an occasional poster) to fill in the gaps for me.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Satisfaction still kicks me in the face whenever I listen to it. Also I always get caught up in thinking how much it must have blown people's wigs back when they first played it on the radio. I mean, what the hell else even sounded remotely like that?

Also the story behind the DIY guitar sound is awesome (I think it's in Keef's book or on the NPR interview with Terri Gross)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was just a Gibson Maestro fuzztone?

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are so many gems on these late albums though. If I ever host a dinner party I'm going to put my ballot on a CD to confuse guests - there'll be this amazing soundtrack that sounds like the Stones tearing through Stones classics, but nobody's ever heard any of them.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost there's some story about him having to rig something up in a hotel bedroom using the alarm clock or something , if memory serves.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, weird, didn't know that!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ballot sent. Uggh. Skipped everything after Tatto You, sorry.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I lied, I made all of that up....but there's a good snippet here of what he did that's a better story than my imaginary one

GROSS: You have a great story in your book about how you co-wrote, well, how you got "Satisfaction" started. You co-wrote the song with Mick Jagger, but you originated it, and you didn't know you were doing it. Can you...?

Mr. RICHARDS: I wish all the songs could come this way, you know, where you just dream them, and then the next morning, there they are, presented to you.

But "Satisfaction" was that sort of miracle that took place. I had a I had one of the first little cassette players, you know, Norelco, Philips, same thing, really. But it was a fascinating little machine to me, a cassette player that you could actually just lay ideas down and, you know, wherever you were.

I set the machine up, and I put in a fresh tape. I go to bed as usual with my guitar, and I wake up the next morning, I see that the tape is run to the very end.

And I think: Well, I didn't do anything. You know, maybe I hit a button when I was asleep. So I put it back to the beginning and pushed play and there, in some sort of ghostly version, is (singing) da, da, da, da, da - I can't get no satisfaction.

And so it was a whole verse of it. I won't bore you with it all. But - and after that, there's, you know, 40 minutes of me snoring.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. RICHARDS: But there's the song in its embryo, and I actually dreamt the damned thing. You know, and I'm still waiting for another dream.

GROSS: So, do you think you kind of did that while sleepwalking or something?

Mr. RICHARDS: Oh, I wasn't walking. I was lying down, and I did it lying down, darling. I don't know about you, honey, but I do most of this stuff lying down.

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: You said as usual, I went to bed with my guitar. Did you always take your guitar to bed then?

Mr. RICHARDS: It always has to be at hand, even now. I have to...

GROSS: Because?

Mr. RICHARDS: I have to know where it is in case I have another dream.

GROSS: In case you get an idea?

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: Right. So do you always have a recording device on hand, too?

Mr. RICHARDS: No, not anymore. I rely upon my memory more now.

GROSS: So you still have your guitar in case an idea comes to you, and...

Mr. RICHARDS: Absolutely. Where would I be without it?

GROSS: Okay, so you bring this germ of a song, basically the first verse, to Mick Jagger, and then you flesh it out into a more complete song. What's the process between you and him in making a full song out of what came to you?

Mr. RICHARDS: Well, at least in those days, and pretty much throughout the whole thing, is I'll come up with a riff, the idea and maybe the subject matter, the type. And then I'd go on to write the next one, and Mick would flesh out and finish it off and make it into a real song.

I'd come up with the ideas. Mick turns it into a finished product, you know. And we were working so hard in those days that you couldn't write them fast enough. So any idea, I came, I'd shove it to Mick, and Mick would work on that, and I'd have another idea, with a little luck.

GROSS: Now, how did the line I can't get no satisfaction come to you at a time when you should've been having a lot of very satisfying, gratifying moments?

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. RICHARDS: Darling, I don't know. I dreamt it.

GROSS: True, okay.

Mr. RICHARDS: I mean, nobody's ever satisfied, right? And it was just a phrase that obviously, you know, was buzzing through the mind, and whether you could express anything or enlarge on that idea of because otherwise, I can't get any satisfaction is kind of, you know, sort of moaning.

But if you then you can take it and expand it, which Mick did brilliantly. There it is. I mean, these things are all made out of little sparks of ideas that come to you, and you're lucky to be around to grab them. And that's kind of basically the process of how we work.

GROSS: Okay, so let's hear "Satisfaction." This is The Rolling Stones. My guest is Keith Richards, and he's written a new autobiography called "Life."

(Soundbite of song, "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction")

The ROLLING STONES: I can't get no satisfaction. I can't get no satisfaction 'cuz I try and I try and I try and I try. I can't get no, I can't get no.

When I'm drivin' in my car and that man comes on the radio and he's tellin' me more and more about some useless information, supposed to fire my imagination, I can't get no, oh no, no, no, hey, hey, hey, that's what I say.

GROSS: That's The Rolling Stones, and my guest is Keith Richards, and he's written his autobiography. It's called "Life." Now that cassette that you mentioned, that you used to write down the idea for "Satisfaction" in the middle of the night that so surprised you when you played it back in the morning, that cassette or one just like it was also really helpful to you in coming up with a kind of transformative guitar sound.

Would you describe how you would plug your acoustic guitar in motel rooms, into the cassette machine?

Mr. RICHARDS: I'll try. Yes, no, it was a good question. You know, I'll try because there I am, I now have my hands on the best amplifiers in the world and the best guitars. But I'm trying to translate another sound in my head that I can't find through conventional means.

I was, at the time, finding it I always play a lot of acoustic guitar, and the cassette machine, in those days, before they had things on them called governors, which mean that you could not overload the machinery, I would just shove the acoustic guitar and use basically, I would use the cassette player as an amplifier, basically, and overload the acoustic guitar so it becomes an electric guitar.

But at the same time, you see, you still have that feel of an acoustic, which is totally different to an electric. So and I'm still looking for the perfect example of this, but I'm going to keep going.

GROSS: So what you would get is like an electrified acoustic guitar that was also distorted.

Mr. RICHARDS: Yeah, exactly. You've got it, Terry. You've got it. That's it. I was trying to get the quality and the touch that you can get from an acoustic guitar and then overload it and make it sound like an electric guitar.

But at the same time, you have that original acoustic touch because, you know, this gets complicated, because guitars are strange animals. But there's a touch that you can get off an acoustic guitar that you'll never get off an electric.

And so I was trying to figure how to electrify the acoustic feel and still translate it, and so that was the name of the game. That was it.

GROSS: Now, it was surprising enough to me to read how you did this in your motel room, but then reading how you did it also in the recording studio was fascinating, that you wanted that sound so much that you brought in the cassette machine and plugged your acoustic guitar into it.

Mr. RICHARDS: Yes, I mean, I took these ideas, and the Stones were in the studio, and we were all looking at it and saying: It doesn't have what you had on the, you know, on the original idea.

And so finally, after many attempts to try and reproduce this sort of idea, you know, with amplifiers and, you know, conventionally, I think it was Charlie Watts, maybe. Let's go back, you know, to how you did it in the first place and work it from there, you know, which is why you've got "Street Fighting Men" and "Jumpin' Jack Flashes." There are no electric guitars at all. It's just overloaded acoustics.

I don't know. I like that denseness, of color, feel that you can get out of that. And it's an experiment I might take up again once they start making cassette machines again.

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: So you think "Jumpin' Jack Flash" is a good illustration of what you were doing?

Mr. RICHARDS: Yeah, yeah, and "Street Fighting Men" is probably another great example of it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=130722581

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also can I just say I'm the first person to HATE being called darling/sweetheart etc and I hate it when old aging rockstars do it to female interviewers but Keef might be the only person on earth who can do that to Terry Gross and get a pleasant, happy laugh in response. Which proves there is a world of difference between Gene Simmons and Keef.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was the case with "Street Fighting Man" (the overloaded acoustic)...didn't know about "Jumpin' Jack Flash"!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

which is why you've got "Street Fighting Men" and "Jumpin' Jack Flashes." There are no electric guitars at all. It's just overloaded acoustics.

No way!

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

SEE HOW AWESOME HE IS?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Defend the Indefensible: Metamorphosis

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

was just listening to that the other day and i like a bunch of it - Jiving sister fanny, Memo from Turner, and a few others make it well worth owning....

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

defend something actually indefensible, like Black and Blue

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I Don't Know Why" from Metamorphosis made my top 10. The combination of Taylor's slide and the horns on the chorus is insane.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love Keith interviews. you forget sometimes because he's such a character (or caricature, really) but he really is a brilliant guy.

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Black And Blue is a lovely album!

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

ugh I hate Black and Blue. I can't get with it at all.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah! It's Only Another Bad Mid Seventies Stones Album is far worse

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I forgot there are a few normal songs on Metamorphosis--I was thinking all it had on it was those weird Phil Spector-ish covers. My mistake. Black and Blue on the other hand is a very good record. If you're gonna pick on 70s Stones, try Only Rock and Roll...that's a true stinker!

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

defend something actually indefensible, like Black and Blue

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, March 30, 2012

qed

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

The only song I don't like at all on BnB is Melody

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

The thing I love about Keef is he's always down for a chat. Even if he's been asked the same question a thousand times, he gives a new rambly answer. He loves to tell a story. And he doesn't take himself terribly seriously, which makes me like him all the more.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought we all agreed that "Hand of Fate," "Crazy Mama," and "Memory Motel" were good songs.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Crazy Mama's not all that, but the other two are terrific

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is there anyone out there but me who likes Fool to Cry?

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hand of Fate reminds me a little of Bruce, it's not HORRIBLE....but every song on that album, they sound like they're dead inside. Everything's sorta flat, and kinda bored sounding to me. Like, ugh let's just get this over with, throwing out a steak to the barking dogs kinda thing.

Maybe it's just me.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm the first person to HATE being called darling/sweetheart etc and I hate it when old aging rockstars do it to female interviewers but Keef might be the only person on earth who can do that to Terry Gross and get a pleasant, happy laugh in response. Which proves there is a world of difference between Gene Simmons and Keef.

when Keef calls you "darlin" you hear his affection and he's actually listening you ("No one's ever divorced ME!" he once cracked). When it's Gene Simmons calling you "darling" he wants you to notice that none of that women's lib crap made a fuck's worth of difference on his dick size.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just barely cut "Memory Motel" from my ballot

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

'I Don't Know Why' is fantastic btw. I'd never've found it without that tipoff - lord knows how much stuff I'll never hear.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is there anyone out there but me who likes Fool to Cry?

I do but it's one of those outliers like "Undercover of the Night" -- they never approached that sound again, y'know?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

ooh

when I said every song I meant every song except Fool To Cry

my brain thinks it's from a different album bc I like that one

(hides)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I've been in love for years with Mick and Keef's terrible keyboard work on "Memory Motel." It makes the song.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fool To Cry was a very late cut for me, sad to see it go.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxpost eisbaer otm. Gene uses those epithets as some kind of weapon to get a reaction. Keef's affection always seems legit.

I would like Keef to call me darlin.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know people of taste who really dig "fool to cry." i'm not one of them but.

would take "worried about you" over "fool to cry" or "memory motel" without hesitation.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I Don't Know Why was written by Stevie Wonder, correct? Or did he just cover it too? Anyway, if you know Stevie Wonder's version, I prefer it to the Stones' (xp)
Yeah, that's true about Fool to Cry--sort of a one off, but I like it alot

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

'I Don't Know Why' was what they were recording on the night Brian Jones died, it says here.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yep, it's a Stevie Wonder tune. I love Stevie's version (it was way up on my Stevie ballot), and I'm glad I heard it first. But the Stones version has more drama. And it has Mick Taylor.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is there anyone out there but me who likes Fool to Cry?

no, i fucking love that song. better than "hand of fate" even. was the last thing i cut from my ballot :.......(

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love Stones R&B covers, wanted to vote for "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" and "Just My Imagination" but it seemed simpler and wiser to stick with originals

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw Undercover is not a fab album but "All the Way Down" is a good tune

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I voted for Fool To Cry. Placed it pretty low, but it's such a lovely melody.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

TOO MUCH TOO MUCH BLOOD

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

spoken word part is hilarious & the video is all time for sure

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

NEVER FORGET

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink


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