WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

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it goes beyond anything post-1980 tho. don't think I've ever listened to the entirety of Between the Buttons or Aftermath, for ex. or Goat's Head Soup. Or It's Only Rock n Roll... I mean I have a *bunch* of Stones stuff but there's all kinds of things I never bothered to track down/sort out (their pre-70s catalog is a mess - almost as bad as the Kinks!) and I mean does Brown Sugar really need any more votes etc

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Aw just vote & don't fret about it, it makes the countdown more fun.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost yes! if it's a song you like then fuck it, why not?

Listen to what you like, dude. You sound almost exactly like where I was at. Give your favorite albums a relisten, maybe listen to one that you don't go back to very often, and just go with your gut.

too much overthinking will make a ballot with a bunch of songs that you don't actually care about, and what's the point of that?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

or at least, this is the rationale by which I allowed myself to cut a ton of classic and historically significant and Important stuff off my ballot in favor of tracks that for whatever reason have mattered deeply to me at various times in my life

yeah, that's how i wound up with half of goats head soup on my ballot

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost okay you don't need to bother with IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL ;-)

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

"It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I'll Never Forgive You If You Don't Vote)"

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze shakey?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

thread is bringing back childhood memories of my mom rooster walking around the house in anticipation of the Steel Wheels tour

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ ain't too proud to beg
xp

Whiney Houson (WmC), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

jeez, the amount of rooster walking I've been doing this week...

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bought a pair of yellow spandex lyra shorts and some kneepads, I have no idea what's come over me

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm having my blood changed while awaiting trial for Heroin Trafficking!

Too far? Yeah.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

no perfect

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

no-one's allowed to climb ANY palm trees between now and the results thread. We don't want any hospitalizations.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

done and sent. i would have been satisfied with 30 songs in my ballot--20 was just not enough

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

naughty schoolteacher >>>>>>>>>>>> rooster

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

This sucks

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, yeah. i'm actually almost more interested to see what gets left off. like, i ended up cutting satisfaction -- what if everyone cut satisfaction!? omg.

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Curious to see how many votes "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" gets vs. "(first half of) Can't You Hear Me Knocking."

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dude, I cut that shit early. Eff it. The riff was not enough, nor the cool drum beat, nor the ... wait a minute.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Uh, "Satisfaction" that is.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

who the hell would only vote for the first half?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hah, as a kid I totally shut "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" off halfway through! Dig it all now.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do dig it all, but there was definitely a time when I didn't.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i the hell would def vote for only the first half if given the option

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Great use of it in Casino, too.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

would vote for "you can't always get what you want" without the choir at the beginning too

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, yeah. i'm actually almost more interested to see what gets left off. like, i ended up cutting satisfaction -- what if everyone cut satisfaction!? omg.

― tylerw, Friday, March 30, 2012 3:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wouldn't be surprised if "Satisfaction" gets the shaft. "Whole Lotta Love" was outside the top 20 of the Zep poll iirc!

love all of "Knocking" so much. the second half is WHY it stands out!

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm, that jam is killer. what do you guys have against sweet conga grooves.

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw i can't stand santana so

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

if we polled those halves, i might vote for the second half!

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^ fire it up imo

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

second half of "knockin'" does drag if i'm not in the right mood. 1st half is always gold.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

"satisfaction" better not get the shaft >:[

of all the ur-classic hot rocks jams, it was one of only a small handful i never considered cutting

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't You Hear Me Knocking has got to make it, and high. You guys are making me doubt the wisdom of my approach here.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so many big Stones radio staples are these tight 3-minute singles that it's nice to occasionally hear that one big sprawling AOR noodlefest imo

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

you don't vote for sway, i don't vote for satisfaction, it all works out. respect the rad use of guitar fx and maybe having to sing it in a cover band soured me a bit but, as discussed above, much as i respect it and even dig it, i've never loved it like i have others. so.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

holy crap, you voted for Cant You Hear Me Knocking, Ismael? I thought it was all 80's all the time with you? :)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haven't voted yet, I'm just lining them up. I may have to persuade the missus (an occasional poster) to fill in the gaps for me.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Satisfaction still kicks me in the face whenever I listen to it. Also I always get caught up in thinking how much it must have blown people's wigs back when they first played it on the radio. I mean, what the hell else even sounded remotely like that?

Also the story behind the DIY guitar sound is awesome (I think it's in Keef's book or on the NPR interview with Terri Gross)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was just a Gibson Maestro fuzztone?

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are so many gems on these late albums though. If I ever host a dinner party I'm going to put my ballot on a CD to confuse guests - there'll be this amazing soundtrack that sounds like the Stones tearing through Stones classics, but nobody's ever heard any of them.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost there's some story about him having to rig something up in a hotel bedroom using the alarm clock or something , if memory serves.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, weird, didn't know that!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ballot sent. Uggh. Skipped everything after Tatto You, sorry.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I lied, I made all of that up....but there's a good snippet here of what he did that's a better story than my imaginary one

GROSS: You have a great story in your book about how you co-wrote, well, how you got "Satisfaction" started. You co-wrote the song with Mick Jagger, but you originated it, and you didn't know you were doing it. Can you...?

Mr. RICHARDS: I wish all the songs could come this way, you know, where you just dream them, and then the next morning, there they are, presented to you.

But "Satisfaction" was that sort of miracle that took place. I had a I had one of the first little cassette players, you know, Norelco, Philips, same thing, really. But it was a fascinating little machine to me, a cassette player that you could actually just lay ideas down and, you know, wherever you were.

I set the machine up, and I put in a fresh tape. I go to bed as usual with my guitar, and I wake up the next morning, I see that the tape is run to the very end.

And I think: Well, I didn't do anything. You know, maybe I hit a button when I was asleep. So I put it back to the beginning and pushed play and there, in some sort of ghostly version, is (singing) da, da, da, da, da - I can't get no satisfaction.

And so it was a whole verse of it. I won't bore you with it all. But - and after that, there's, you know, 40 minutes of me snoring.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. RICHARDS: But there's the song in its embryo, and I actually dreamt the damned thing. You know, and I'm still waiting for another dream.

GROSS: So, do you think you kind of did that while sleepwalking or something?

Mr. RICHARDS: Oh, I wasn't walking. I was lying down, and I did it lying down, darling. I don't know about you, honey, but I do most of this stuff lying down.

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: You said as usual, I went to bed with my guitar. Did you always take your guitar to bed then?

Mr. RICHARDS: It always has to be at hand, even now. I have to...

GROSS: Because?

Mr. RICHARDS: I have to know where it is in case I have another dream.

GROSS: In case you get an idea?

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: Right. So do you always have a recording device on hand, too?

Mr. RICHARDS: No, not anymore. I rely upon my memory more now.

GROSS: So you still have your guitar in case an idea comes to you, and...

Mr. RICHARDS: Absolutely. Where would I be without it?

GROSS: Okay, so you bring this germ of a song, basically the first verse, to Mick Jagger, and then you flesh it out into a more complete song. What's the process between you and him in making a full song out of what came to you?

Mr. RICHARDS: Well, at least in those days, and pretty much throughout the whole thing, is I'll come up with a riff, the idea and maybe the subject matter, the type. And then I'd go on to write the next one, and Mick would flesh out and finish it off and make it into a real song.

I'd come up with the ideas. Mick turns it into a finished product, you know. And we were working so hard in those days that you couldn't write them fast enough. So any idea, I came, I'd shove it to Mick, and Mick would work on that, and I'd have another idea, with a little luck.

GROSS: Now, how did the line I can't get no satisfaction come to you at a time when you should've been having a lot of very satisfying, gratifying moments?

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. RICHARDS: Darling, I don't know. I dreamt it.

GROSS: True, okay.

Mr. RICHARDS: I mean, nobody's ever satisfied, right? And it was just a phrase that obviously, you know, was buzzing through the mind, and whether you could express anything or enlarge on that idea of because otherwise, I can't get any satisfaction is kind of, you know, sort of moaning.

But if you then you can take it and expand it, which Mick did brilliantly. There it is. I mean, these things are all made out of little sparks of ideas that come to you, and you're lucky to be around to grab them. And that's kind of basically the process of how we work.

GROSS: Okay, so let's hear "Satisfaction." This is The Rolling Stones. My guest is Keith Richards, and he's written a new autobiography called "Life."

(Soundbite of song, "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction")

The ROLLING STONES: I can't get no satisfaction. I can't get no satisfaction 'cuz I try and I try and I try and I try. I can't get no, I can't get no.

When I'm drivin' in my car and that man comes on the radio and he's tellin' me more and more about some useless information, supposed to fire my imagination, I can't get no, oh no, no, no, hey, hey, hey, that's what I say.

GROSS: That's The Rolling Stones, and my guest is Keith Richards, and he's written his autobiography. It's called "Life." Now that cassette that you mentioned, that you used to write down the idea for "Satisfaction" in the middle of the night that so surprised you when you played it back in the morning, that cassette or one just like it was also really helpful to you in coming up with a kind of transformative guitar sound.

Would you describe how you would plug your acoustic guitar in motel rooms, into the cassette machine?

Mr. RICHARDS: I'll try. Yes, no, it was a good question. You know, I'll try because there I am, I now have my hands on the best amplifiers in the world and the best guitars. But I'm trying to translate another sound in my head that I can't find through conventional means.

I was, at the time, finding it I always play a lot of acoustic guitar, and the cassette machine, in those days, before they had things on them called governors, which mean that you could not overload the machinery, I would just shove the acoustic guitar and use basically, I would use the cassette player as an amplifier, basically, and overload the acoustic guitar so it becomes an electric guitar.

But at the same time, you see, you still have that feel of an acoustic, which is totally different to an electric. So and I'm still looking for the perfect example of this, but I'm going to keep going.

GROSS: So what you would get is like an electrified acoustic guitar that was also distorted.

Mr. RICHARDS: Yeah, exactly. You've got it, Terry. You've got it. That's it. I was trying to get the quality and the touch that you can get from an acoustic guitar and then overload it and make it sound like an electric guitar.

But at the same time, you have that original acoustic touch because, you know, this gets complicated, because guitars are strange animals. But there's a touch that you can get off an acoustic guitar that you'll never get off an electric.

And so I was trying to figure how to electrify the acoustic feel and still translate it, and so that was the name of the game. That was it.

GROSS: Now, it was surprising enough to me to read how you did this in your motel room, but then reading how you did it also in the recording studio was fascinating, that you wanted that sound so much that you brought in the cassette machine and plugged your acoustic guitar into it.

Mr. RICHARDS: Yes, I mean, I took these ideas, and the Stones were in the studio, and we were all looking at it and saying: It doesn't have what you had on the, you know, on the original idea.

And so finally, after many attempts to try and reproduce this sort of idea, you know, with amplifiers and, you know, conventionally, I think it was Charlie Watts, maybe. Let's go back, you know, to how you did it in the first place and work it from there, you know, which is why you've got "Street Fighting Men" and "Jumpin' Jack Flashes." There are no electric guitars at all. It's just overloaded acoustics.

I don't know. I like that denseness, of color, feel that you can get out of that. And it's an experiment I might take up again once they start making cassette machines again.

(Soundbite of laughter)

GROSS: So you think "Jumpin' Jack Flash" is a good illustration of what you were doing?

Mr. RICHARDS: Yeah, yeah, and "Street Fighting Men" is probably another great example of it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=130722581

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also can I just say I'm the first person to HATE being called darling/sweetheart etc and I hate it when old aging rockstars do it to female interviewers but Keef might be the only person on earth who can do that to Terry Gross and get a pleasant, happy laugh in response. Which proves there is a world of difference between Gene Simmons and Keef.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was the case with "Street Fighting Man" (the overloaded acoustic)...didn't know about "Jumpin' Jack Flash"!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

which is why you've got "Street Fighting Men" and "Jumpin' Jack Flashes." There are no electric guitars at all. It's just overloaded acoustics.

No way!

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

SEE HOW AWESOME HE IS?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink


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