Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

"what if the most crucial things about this case..... were completely different?? what THEN????"

well i think that woman has a point

"special favors"

yeah that's an incredibly loaded phrase

and now that i think about it it's so loaded that it probably invalidates the poll

More often than not these days, I'm bubbling over with white self-hate.

bubbling over with self hate? as a nonwhite, i grant thee honorary minority status.

http://newsone.com/nation/afisher/joe-oliver-lawrence-o-donnell-last-call-interview/

Do you agree with the following statement: "White people should be forced to give away all their things to black people". The racial divide is alive and well.

ugh it's just such a toxic mentality -- the idea that programs designed to aid the disadvantaged show some sort of preferential bias, or are somehow being rewarded for being marginalized. like, this woman i know once was loudly and angrily griping that her ex-husband was getting subsidized dental care because he ended up with HIV. "Why don't I get free dental care? I didn't go out and fuck my life up and get AIDS. So he gets AIDS and gets free shit? How is that fair??" well... maybe because oral health is crucial for AIDS patients because they have a compromised immune system?

weird anecdote, off topic, but... that's the sort of fucked-up, self-regarding resentment i mean. WELFARE? AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? BIRTH CONTROL? WHAT ABOUT ME, THE WHITE MAN?

83% of the whites answered the question, as opposed to only 62% of the blacks. Now you tell me which race "tries harder".

look i am sorry i even posted that now

let's move on, or go back to that CNN hosebeast, either would be preferable

flag frog post

i posted a handy link about how zimmerman's one black friend doesn't know anything about zimmerman, can talk abt that maybe

and now that i think about it it's so loaded that it probably invalidates the poll

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, March 30, 2012 12:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, it's almost a push-polly "gee well now that you mention it" kind of statement.

what was the lady on CNN saying? links not working for me.

Plus the way it's broken into two sentences almost implies that the first sentence is FACT, and then, given that fact, do you agree with the second.

Along the lines of "would the congressional black caucus still care about Trayvon's murder if he was a white kid?"

lol wow that is a dumb, dumb question

without party favors

would the murderer face trial if trayvon wasn't a black kid?

why is it so hard to understand that this is the majority of the point? if the victim was white and the shooter was black, he'd be sentenced by now, and no one would care.

did anyone see that sentient shitstain piers morgan interview zimmerman's brother last night?

More often than not these days, I'm bubbling over with white self-hate.

I try to be more constructive in directing my hatred towards pieces of human shit like that awful CNN anchor. But I definitely feel you inasmuch as a lot of our fellow white people are the fucking worst.

http://globalgrind.com/node/829140

I really want to just spam right wing message boards with trayvononahorse.jpg

trayvon in a CANDY SHIRT riding a PONY.

candy, ponies, baby cousins

Well another depressing right-winger link here, EXCEPT

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-good-teen-or-gangbanger.html

the lead photo is one of the famed middle finger photos. Only guess what -- no middle finger. Another reminder of how likely it is that a lot of the stuff going around is shopped/fake.

the battle over representation of martin is so weird, people on each side of the issue somehow seeking to prove that THIS (actual, verifiable) picture of trayvon is the REAL trayvon, how he ACTUALLY TRULY was in real life: smiling kid who loves candy and gets kissed on the cheek by his dad vs. aggressive teenage thug wearing grills and acting tough. one is supposed to be real, and the other not real or less real.

like -- aside from the fact that NONE OF IT MATTERS -- how difficult is it to accept that may ALL be trayvon because he was a real, actual, complex person with different relationships and a faceted personality because he was a HUMAN BEING?

but... i guess that is maybe a lot to ask and i should know better

i totally agree elmo, its ridiculous on both sides, but otoh, since the right-wing pretty much initiated this discourse with all of the bullshit "trayvon was a gangster, SEE" finger-pointing, i think its important to kind of balance all that out with a more complete idea of who he was. i mean, yes, we shouldn't have to be involved in this AT ALL, but its not helping to just let the right run with their control of the images.

Totally agree. What shocks me is that there's actually a race to create a FAKE image of what Trayvon was like. That there are people so invested in this that they will actually shop trayvon photos to make him look more thuggish or w/e.

And agree with jon too -- once the right wing starts a media war, you have to fight back. Not unlike what happened with DSK, where the woman kind of had to start putting out her own side of things because otherwise he was controlling the media narrative

yeah i don't mean to imply that both sides in the representation war are equally wrong, because yeah one side is egregiously, virulently wrong

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/03/the-terrible-no-good-very-bad-month-for-the-left.php

In this rightwing post, Trayvon is just another item in the battle versus the left.

Amazed that "Chicago News Report" (sounds very staid and institutional) states that these pics are the ones "the media doesn't want you to see" and how trayvon was no baby faced child as seen in somewhat older photos widely circulated.

So I look at the scandalous pics and he looks exactly like a young black man of about his age. Horrors! These photos PROVE he was a 16 year old, not a 12 year old as the MSM would have you think. Gah!

The CNR site also posts a photo with an arrow pointing at what might be anything, but if you squint real hard looks vaguely like a gun, and screen shot of what is alleged to be Trayvon's MySpace page, with some photos of guns and cars and a header describing these as "Fools's Photos". This PROVES, er, something?

But. We know Trayvon was unarmed, and Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon was shot and killed. Zimmerman was not. Gah! Stupidity! Nasty mean stupidity. Racist stupidity, tyvm.

"i call em april babies cuz they fools" is a lil wayne line, which just goes to show how DANGEROUS this kid really was -- he didn't just listen to allan sherman records like the MSM would have you believe

wow @ "suspicious hand gesture"

I also just wouldn't really trust anything claiming to have been his twitter or myspace account at this point, seeing how motivated people are to blatantly fabricate things about him

do 17 year olds still use myspace

cousin on fb called trayvon martin 'the biggest scam'. sort of want him to clarify but thinking it's a can of worms better left unopened.

See if you can coax him into using "race pimps" then do a shot.

how can trayvon martin be a big scam, he doesn't know about any of this, when he last knew anything he was an ordinary boy on a quiet street being shot for nothing on his way back from the store. there were never and never will be any gains from this situation for trayvon martin.

i think he means the whole circus surrounding him. what exactly he means i have no idea.

why is everyone on twitter talking about toure

every time al sharpton is on tv he gets a million dollars, duh

most of the people protesting are actually just in it for reparations

its because toure and piers morgan got all mad at each other on tv today

would watch

the point in that blog post i posted way above is more pertinent than ever given all the stuff that's happened in the past few days. if trayvon _was_ a "thug," a drug dealer, a tough kid, whatever -- IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. hell, if you chase down a guy who is trying to rob your house, and then shoot him to death, without your ever having been (or well after you felt you were) in immediate danger, then that is murder. who the dead guy was doesn't matter a whit.

horrible horrible horrible people in this world, this country in particular. very depressed about this.

the feds should step in and fire the whole fucking police department in this shit suburb.

they would only do that if it would make sense to build an ikea there