Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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Classic in theory, dud to actually listen to for more than 2-3 songs in a row

Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Poliopolice wrote this on thread Islands (Ex-Unicorns project) on board I Love Music on Mar 7, 2012
pitchfork gave it a good review

Poliopolice wrote this on thread Genesis: "Land Of Confusion" on board I Love Music on Mar 16, 2012
this song kicks ass all over the place

Poliopolice wrote this on thread MTV Buzz Bin: Volume 1 - The Zen of Buzz Clips: From a Guy Named Buzz on board I Love Music on Mar 20, 2012
gin blossoms by a country mile, fuckaz

shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hooray! Someone learned how to use search.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

By the way, 3 posts do not completely encapsulate someone's tastes, and to think that you have found damning evidence against my ability to appreciate art suggests that you have bought into a rather silly fallacy that you can generalize heavily about someone by using a very small number of data points.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Poliopolice, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

: )

shur fine (am0n), Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

So Black Sabbath has been confirmed for Lollapalooza this summer (which, given past years, means they won't be playing another Chicago show this year), and the promoters are swearing that all four original members will be there.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

wut

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's encouraging.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Having seen Black Sabbath (original line-up plus replacement model) in (relatively) recent years, plus a few Ozzy solo sets, I fear this show will find the band at ... off-peak. But I bet the crowd will be a blast.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hey, even doddering old Black Sabbath would be a treat for me, since I've never seen them before. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Wouldn't be the first time a Chicago promoter was blowing smoke.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw the originals in '06 and they were incredible, and the Dio model at Radio City and the subsequent tour and they were incredible. Granted that's a few years ago, and as everbody knows I'm a little biased, but you definitely have to go.

I really hope Ward is involved, its not the same if he's not

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

The question is not whether they're booked, it's whether they'll ... make it. When I saw them years ago I thought Ward looked half-dead (because he had just recovered from a heart attack, for sure). Ozzy was a mess, barely hitting his cues. And now with Iommi's deal, I dunno. I hope they pull it off.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ward was good in '06 post heart attack. The weak link was totally Ozzy, which was the case in their heyday as well. 70's era Sabbath was great due to a combination of cruashing riffage combined with a killer bass-drums pocket. Elmer Fudd could have sung for them, I wouldnt have cared

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a lollapalooza this summer? lol

lebron traveled (am0n), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a lollapalooza every summer!

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

lebron traveled (am0n), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm just pissed that the Afghan Whigs are on the bill, which means they won't play somewhere I'd rather see them and will force me to find a way to go just for them. Ideally on Black Sabbath day.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, its sort of annual ritual of disappointment, looking over the Lollapalooza schedule seeing 2-3 bands out of hundreds that I really want to see, then realizing I'm not going to pay ridiculous money to see those 2-3 bands but also realizing they won't be playing anywhere else around town any time soon

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

What an incredible and underrated song

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did a little Audacity work and mixed the drum & bass tracks for three tunes ("After Forever", "Sweet Leaf", "Into the Void"), check 'em out here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bczmt70ehltjq05

Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Original Black Sabbath drummer Bill Ward made a statement confirming that "a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued."

Writing on his website, the drummer said.

"At this time I have to inform you that I won't be playing with Black Sabbath at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at Download on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza on August 3, 2012.

It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I'm very, very sorry that it's fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.

He goes on to say:

"Earlier in April 2012, I'd been asked to participate "minimally" in the Download festival. I believe I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs."

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

disgusting. fuck osborne and fuck the rest of sabbath for going along with this. it's a disgrace.

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

ozzy's just a pathetic joke at this point.

It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs.

this is fucking ridiculous

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

lame.

Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, indicates that they just wanted his name & endorsement for marketing purposes. bastards.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

sharon to blame or all of them?

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

My wife likes to watch America's Got Talent (we all have our weaknesses) and, as a result of only seeing her on that show, thinks Sharon is just "the sweetest" and she rolls her eyes at me whenever I launch into a "Sharon is evil" tirade.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow, that's messed up. is there some reason to think that Ward isn't physically capable of playing the drums for these gigs?

tylerw, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

sharon to blame or all of them?

it might be sharon's idea, but the other three are willing to go along with it.

i don't know. maybe bill ward's an intolerable person to be in a band with. i find it hard to believe though, and the osbournes have previous when it comes to fucking over their rhythm sections.

Sisig Steve (stevie), Thursday, 17 May 2012 07:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe bill ward's an intolerable person to be in a band with.

^never met him, but by all accounts he's one of the best guys in rock. Fuck the osbournes, and fuck iommi and butler for going along with this shit. This is one of the most insulting things Ive ever heard of. 3 songs????? It's Bill fucking Ward!

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

BLACK SABBATH Statement:

We have decided not to make any detailed comment on Bill's latest statement. There are two sides to every story. We have been working hard at rehearsals making excellent progress after Tony's treatments and we have engaged a substitute drummer for the forthcoming shows. See you at Download.

--Black Sabbath, 5/17/12

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

in other words bill is telling the truth and they cant come up with a truthful credible reply

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Didn't they have an agreement (similar to the Sex Pistols' one) where it's not "Black Sabbath" if it's not the four originals? (witness the release of the RJDio fronted live album where even that's who Black Sabbath was at the time, they couldn't name the band on that CD?)...

or was it 'verbal'..

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 08:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've seen the original Black Sabbath, plus "Black Sabbath" with Mike Bordin from Faith No More on drums, so no. Also, there have been lots of other Black Sabbath permutations on the road. Always business, never personal.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 11:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

but then sharon bought the rights to the name from Iommi.

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 11:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

When did that happen? Because I don't think there's ever been a Black Sabbath minus Iommi. In fact, I want to say that Iommi is the only one who has never been replaced in Black Sabbath, and weren't there lawsuits regarding the name as recently as a year or two ago?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

presumably when ozzy rejoined late 90s. thats why dio sabbath couldnt use the name

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

tbf for a huge % of the population the black sabbath name = ozzy, so billing the dio band as "heaven & hell" was probably a good idea just for bringing in just the audience that wanted to see that lineup, which was large enough to suggest the name change didn't hurt them

some dude, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

tbf for a huge % of the population the black sabbath name = ozzy

^then a huge % of the population is idiots who don't know a fucking thing about what they are talking about.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

For me Bill Ward>>>>>>>>Ozzy

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

When did that happen? Because I don't think there's ever been a Black Sabbath minus Iommi. In fact, I want to say that Iommi is the only one who has never been replaced in Black Sabbath, and weren't there lawsuits regarding the name as recently as a year or two ago?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, May 18, 2012 8:48 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Correct, the settlement on the use of the name was very recent.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ward apparently was not a party to the settlement, if all this crap is hitting the fan.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

So, what constitutes a bottom-line Black Sabbath now? Ozzy, and Sharon on Bongos?

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

summary:

On 2 February 2012, Ward publicly announced that he would not participate in the Black Sabbath reunion unless he was given a "signable contract." The following day, the other group members announced they had "no choice but to continue recording without him," but also said "our door is always open" for Ward to return to the band.[13] In February 2012, the band announced that they will not continue the world tour but will play the Download festival in June 2012. Instead of Black Sabbath, the tour will feature Osbourne and a revolving line-up of guest musicians, billed as "Ozzy and Friends".

On 11 April 2012, Lollapalooza founder Perry Farrell announced that Black Sabbath will perform at Lollapalooza 2012. Farrell said this will be Black Sabbath's only American concert in 2012.[151]

Some time in late April 2012, Bill Ward was added back to the band's official Facebook page as a member of Black Sabbath.

On May 15, 2012, Bill Ward posted on his website that "after a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued" and that he would not be participating in the reunion shows, but "will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate 'signable' terms with Sabbath’s representatives in the future."[152]

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Misread part of the above as the tour will feature Osbourne and a revolting line-up of guest musicians.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:18 (1 year ago) Permalink


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