WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

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the mick/merry vocal track is INSANE

listening to this should really be a prerequsite for voting

just 2:45 to 3:15

mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

mick's 'woo' is like holy shit merry

mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

And hitting that HUGE high and then going all the way to a perfect low is just...she's incredible

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, maybe that's how we sound to yawl

I been meanin' to come back to this. Do the Stones come across as terribly British to American ears? Both musically as well as vocally, I mean.

Running through the catalogue chronologically, as I've been doing, it seems like there's not much there that isn't basically American after about 1968, except Mick's cab driver on 'Too Much Blood' and one or two other curios like that. But I get that it might not sound that way to yawl.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do the Stones come across as terribly British to American ears? Both musically as well as vocally, I mean.

Yes and yes. A whole lot of subsequent American bands sounded more like the Stones than the Stones' sources, but their early sound screams British Invasion.

I like Jagger's fake redneck accent all right on "Dead Flowers" but it totally ruins "Far Away Eyes" for me, just like his fake patois ruins "Cherry Oh Baby."

Brad C., Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

harping back to "child of the moon", there's something detached about it, and mysterious -- an anomaly in the Stones canon for me, given how direct and pragmatic their approach to songwriting usually strikes me as. it's dreamy enough to get lost in, with those loose, stretched vocal harmonies that are in no hurry to get anywhere, yet somehow stands as an immaculately crafted rock song with hook by way of sublime chord change. my favourite Stones songs are often the unrepentant sleaze-ridden rockers, which build their mettle on bare-boned riff and howl. but as far as their tender stuff goes, "child of the moon" is right up there for me.

charlie h, Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Child of the Moon was a deliberate attempt to court the US market--and Mick described it as having a "California" sound, which makes sense with your description

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh cool. that's a nice little anecdote that i wasn't aware of. and yeah, it does make a lot of sense :)

charlie h, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

to get back to "Bitch" -- this is what the Stooges would sound like if they had Charlie Watts on drums. Such a lethal groove.
and yes, the stones are super-british to my american ears.

tylerw, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah totally british. that campy fey androgyne thing - American white guys didn't do that very much

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

til the NY Dolls, who basically got it from the Stones. VU had it a bit too, i suppose, in a different kinda way.

tylerw, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

never been able to get my head around how Bill does that with his legs

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

"lethal drumming" otm
relentless without being too overbearing/showboaty too

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's the old British-coding-as-gay-and-vice-versa thing again then xps? I wonder how that came about, it wasn't invented by Mick was it? Pretty sure it wouldn't've been high in our armoury of self-image post WWII, I'm guessing.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

well Mick copped it from Little Richard sooooo

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jagger talks about it quite a bit in the Rolling Stone interview that Alfred linked to upthread. Worth a read.

I hadn't considered until Jagger pointed it out that Elvis has a certain feminine quality to him.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Elvis was "pretty"

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lovely lips

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

harping back to "child of the moon", there's something detached about it, and mysterious... it's dreamy enough to get lost in, with those loose, stretched vocal harmonies that are in no hurry to get anywhere, yet somehow stands as an immaculately crafted rock song with hook by way of sublime chord change.

― charlie h, Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:58 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Child of the Moon was a deliberate attempt to court the US market--and Mick described it as having a "California" sound, which makes sense with your description

― Iago Galdston, Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:29 AM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, that's so strange to me, cuz "california" is the last association i'd make. it reminds me strongly of the early velvet underground, especially "all tomorrow's parties" and even "venus in furs" to some extent. though it does work as a pop song, it has a weird, glassy-eyed inertness and vacancy that only amplify its allure. hell, it's practically a drone. so spooky.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i find it weird that mick thought this could be a hit...can't remember what was on the b-side, but it was one of their monster hits I think...

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

jumping jack flash iirc

band of susans used to do a cover of it emphasising its droneyness

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listening to Brussels Affair (thanks to Tarfumes/Tylerw for recommendation) --- the Keys solo in "Can't Always Get What You Want" is so gorgeous, I wish it was on the original. My god.

also Keith doing 'Happy' made me very. Kinda feel like I should've rethought about voting for it. idk.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah contenderizer, i definitely hear some VU sound-wise. both "child" and a song like "all tomorrow's parties" channel something exotic, stoned and distant. lyrically and thematically, i can see how the California thing ties in. i mean, underlying VU's work was a certain street-swagger, self-awareness and poise, which gave even their most abstract songs a defined edge. the Stones obviously exhibited this too in a bunch of their songs, but there's something naive and idealistic about "child of the moon", which i find pretty charming. what is kind of surprising is that it was a calculated move on their part, because even if it was just a one-off of sorts, it sounds natural and inspired.

charlie h, Friday, 30 March 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've never really gotten all the way into the Stones like rock/pop fanatics are supposed to, so beyond the singles I mostly know Exile, Aftermath, Sticky Fingers and to a somewhat lesser extent Beggars & Let it Bleed. All terrific records of course, and Emotional Rescue was a pleasant Spotify surprise a couple weeks back, but I can't imagine omitting more than half a dozen of the tracks previously compiled on Hot Rocks, which I've loved to pieces since high school. Fucking dilettante, I know. But I wanna vote in this, so I guess I'll be that guy.

do dat do dat do do dat dat dat (thewufs), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

before you do vote, at least consider listening to some of the less well-known stuff posted itt. promise you won't regret it.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

an all HOT ROCKS ballot would be frighteningly reasonable. but which of the 21 tracks would you cut?

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

good question. looking at the tracklist now, i'd probably cut "honky tonk woman". maybe "get off of my cloud".

charlie h, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

An all More Hot Rocks ballot would be fine challops.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

once you made the necessary cut/s, how would you ORDER said Hot Rocks tracks, that is the question

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost suddenly reconsidering on ethical grounds whether to allow any ABKCO tracks on my ballot

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Midnight Rambler and Can't Always Get would be easy cuts from a Hot Rocks ballot. Cutting eight songs from More Hot Rocks would be tougher.

Whiney Houson (WmC), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I voted Connection (though not #1)

broom air, Friday, 30 March 2012 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, as Xgau sez, Hot Rocks is for the people, More Hot Rocks is for specialists.

broom air, Friday, 30 March 2012 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm a special people

Whiney Houson (WmC), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope "19th Nervous Breakdown" gets serious love in this.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

specialists, like assassins?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Late voters! Love songs that work on multiple levels? Love Keith Richards's voice? Like humor that's kind of serious? Please consider:

Three Word Username, Friday, 30 March 2012 06:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

looking at the tracklist now, i'd probably cut "honky tonk woman". maybe "get off of my cloud".

>>>>>>:[

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

"wear white..."

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2012 06:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that's my favorite bit. song bugs me otherwise.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the song is kind of creepy, and I like my Stones kinda creepy, to be honest.

Three Word Username, Friday, 30 March 2012 07:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

How many ballots submitted so far? On the fence, really need to work next week (and not follow the results obsessively ...)

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you haven't voted yet, then we're one short.

Whiney Houson (WmC), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hah

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

wmc otm

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't be a baby, vote today!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Considering that there is a lot of love for certain songs I don't like very much I really should

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

eesh i have to vote i guess.

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loading up Spotify now, will put in some quality time and see where I end up.

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink


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