Celebrating Five Glorious Years of Heikki Kovalainen: Formula 1 in 2012

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Not suggesting that was deliberate - but if it were me driving and I'd gotten that message, I might have run off the road simply because I wasn't concentrating on the drive any longer. The pit stop thing definitely seemed like an attempt to hold Perez back, and the message got sent to drive the point home that second place suited everyone just fine. Perez took Sauber by surprise, I think. Nothing nefarious or awful, just unfortunate since he could have taken Alonso with many laps to spare. Sauber of course denies any scheming, which makes sense since from his point of view it isn't scheming to settle for second.

Brakhage, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Gotta say it's great to have a race in which there's something to talk about instead of marvelling at somebody's 15-second lead they keep for the entire race!

Brakhage, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:17 (five years ago) Permalink

Worst-case scenario at the time for Sauber would have been some horrible clash with Alonso defending like a maniac, Perez running into him, and Hamilton just gliding into first

Brakhage, Monday, 26 March 2012 03:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Alex Wurz on the Austrian tv (he's pretty fantastic as a commentator, doesn't hesitate to tell the tv sports guys they're being idiotic when they're being idiotic, and actually speaks English so that pit radio bits aren't immediately followed by "well, I couldn't really hear that" any more) said he thought that was a good young driver going for it and blowing it, and that a more experienced driver probably would have backed off a bit sooner. When his sports guy co-commentator made the Ferrari shenanigans suggestion, Wurz (who never misses an opportunity to criticize Ferrari's role in F1) said he thought it was just too soon in the season for that.

Three Word Username, Monday, 26 March 2012 06:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Never soon for the Maranello Krew, especially when they know they've got a rubbish car. Alonso, despite being a knob, is a terrific driver and probably wrung the neck of that car get it over the line in first.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Monday, 26 March 2012 07:52 (five years ago) Permalink

Everything in this NYT blog piece is horrific, but that last photo just broke my heart.

Brakhage, Friday, 6 April 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

"A lot of kids having a go at the police."

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 14 April 2012 07:24 (five years ago) Permalink

lolwut nico on pole

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 14 April 2012 07:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Bernie Ecclestone, 81, the F1 supremo, speaking at the Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai, said of Bahrain: "I know people who live there, and it's all very quiet and peaceful."

The comments provoked a storm on social media sites as local activists said there were fears of a clampdown on protesters to prevent disruption to the event.

Pictures emerged of Ecclestone's image being burned in Bahrain posted on a Facebook page called "Pearl Family Circle – Martyrs' Square".

Sounds promising.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 14 April 2012 13:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Brundle with the up to date references, "I haven't been this disappointed since 'Shrek 2'."

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 15 April 2012 07:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Hey, imagine if all this great racing and overtaking was for the LEAD?

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 15 April 2012 08:37 (five years ago) Permalink

"Did I ever tell you about the 1982 season?..."

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 15 April 2012 08:41 (five years ago) Permalink

Disastrous Button stop robbed us of a hell of a finish for first, but all that duelling for the other spots was pretty great. Pretty open so far this year.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 15 April 2012 17:56 (five years ago) Permalink

Schumi's supercool "hey, shit happens" reaction to idiocy in the Mercedes pit = A++.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 15 April 2012 18:45 (five years ago) Permalink

he seemed genuinely chuffed for Rosberg all weekend.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 15 April 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm reading someone's ~think piece~ which argues that this isn't Mercedes' first win since 1955, but rather Tyrrell's 43rd win. Which technically is sorta true and ~makes u think~.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 08:29 (five years ago) Permalink


Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 08:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Wild race!

Nice article on the technical reasons for the sudden reversal of fortune of Vettel and Webber.

I don't think a similar article can be written yet about Ferrari - Brundle mentioned at one point during Malaysia, the problem seems to be mystery performance issues that crop up between the wind tunnel/computer model/manufacturing/testing phases of building the car. So there's not much they can actually talk about in public and not much for people to find out, since they don't know themselves. That's my impression anyway ...

Big shock this race, happy for Rosberg. It was unreal seeing him in Vettel's place from last year. I agree about Schumacher's attitude (my guess is he talked to the gun guy who was suitably distraught) which was awesome. He can smell podium, and would not want to slag anyone on the team when he's that close. Also he is a total pro who actually does seem to care about people around him ... unless they get in his way. Well done Mercedes and Ross.

Disappointed for Kimi, once the tires died that was it. It was as if somebody had whacked the back of his head with a two-by-four as people passed him at will.

Love these crazy deviation-from-average-lap-time graphs.

Brakhage, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:33 (five years ago) Permalink

so this is gonna be great: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I heard today on a podcast that Kimi's tires didn't fall off the cliff. He got off the racing line and picked up so many marbles he couldn't hold speed through the corners until he wore them off.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:27 (five years ago) Permalink

That's what the Speed Channel commentators were saying.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:39 (five years ago) Permalink

BBC guys were saying his tires were shot.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:00 (five years ago) Permalink

suck on that, BEEB! USA! USA! USA!

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'd heard the marbles thing too. I should have taken a bit more time with that post - either way the tires prevented Kimi from doing well towards the end, I felt bad for him since I wanted him to do well ...

Independent is saying two Force India mechanics have left the country, evidently in reaction to what Gukbe linked to upthread. This whole thing is so awful.

Brakhage, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Ecclestone comments are...predictable.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Oooh Anonymous will bring down ... the F1 web site

Brakhage, Friday, 20 April 2012 20:35 (five years ago) Permalink

If I get up early enough and actually use the F1 app for the iPad, it'll probably show purple when in fact they are the SLOWEST laps of the race.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:58 (five years ago) Permalink

oh no where will I get FOM's press releases/fluffy copy now

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Friday, 20 April 2012 22:23 (five years ago) Permalink

So I watched this despite my bleeding liberal heart. I have read that there might be a dead protester, which casts a pall. Force India's defense of missing P2 as a "strategy" seemed absurd and awful. I felt really bad when the footage showed some rich prince on top of a stand/building with a couch and an attractive woman at his side, then a bunch of white people in sunglasses sitting in the stands.

All that said, qualifying was pretty good! I can't remember seeing virtually every team using two sets of softs in qualifying. Apparently the sand on the track is ripping up the tyres and the optimum laps for softs is 3 and primes is 11 (though I seem to remember hyperbole like that on some tracks last year and they could stretch them longer in the actual race without a significant drop off).

I hope the race is good. Everyone seems to be locking up on turn 13 (I think that's the one) so that might help even it out. Even if Vettel gets away and makes it clear around the first corner, I imagine the tyre situation could keep it interesting and competitive. There was very little between Red Bull and McLaren.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 20:26 (five years ago) Permalink

The haze and the lack of vegetation on the track is kind of unreal, the whole thing looks like CGI to me

Brakhage, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:29 (five years ago) Permalink

i think it's kind of pretty as a track. very unreal, though, yes.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:31 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm finally playing through F1 2011 for the Xbox btw and I can't believe how many tracks I hate. Shockingly I love the Hungarian one.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:32 (five years ago) Permalink

So this is going ahead then.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:31 (five years ago) Permalink

I HATED HATED HATED the Hungaroring when playing Grand Prix 2 back in the day, sadly it's "not too bad" today compared to some other circuits (lol Valencia).

btw can we start a fund to bring back Istanbul Park and its 'Faux Rouge'.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:34 (five years ago) Permalink

The Heppenheim Kid & The Ice Man are back.

I am getting a bit confused by these races tbqh.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Confused how? About what factors lead to success or failure in these races? Or just how close everybody is?

Beginning of 2011, Lotus looked fantastic - I remember at the start of China, they just blasted by everyone. By the end of 2011 you'd forgotten they were even on the track. I would love to read something on what the hell happened during 2011 for them, technically. They've sorted it out now, whatever that was.

Really rooting for Kimi with this one - like he said in interviews he really only had one chance to overtake and didn't make it.

Since you all have been mentioning the video game I looked it up - wow, that thing is amazing, it looks like a total blast. If it existed for Mac I'd be all over it (I think the online version of it is more like a manager thing rather than a racing thing?)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Never played the online version, but i do love the Xbox version I've got, even if it frustrates the hell out of me sometimes.

I had just assumed re: Lotus 2011 that they weren't producing high-enough quality upgrades through the season and they just dropped off. Maybe it's also a symptom of the high speed emphasis that featured in this race? Even without the blown diffusers, Vettel's speed in the corner was way better and, for whatever reason, he could fly out of that first corner and rebuild his slight lead so Kimi was always left where he was going down that long straight again.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Checked and it looks like the racing in the online version is strictly viewed from overhead, no steering involved - so it looks like a 'football manager' kind of thing. I'd rather drive ...

What did you think of Rosberg shoving people off the track twice? That was crazy but Alonso slipstreaming to the pit entrance and breaking away was crazier (and I think he did that twice as well, the camera people didn't focus on the second time though)

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 18:17 (five years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen any news of a penalty on Rosberg, but if there isn't one I'd be surprised. Alonso seemed more upset that he Rosberg didn't leave him space to get around. But yah, his slipstream thing was nuts. I didn't see it the second time.

loled at Alonso v Hamilton reactions though. Alonso gripes and complains, Hamilton just passes him off track anyway (apparently this had happened in the GP2 as well?).

One thing I noticed playing through the game is that some of the newer tracks (India, especially) feature more solid run-off areas on the sides of the track compared with Spa or Monza, which seems to rely on gravel. In the game (and I am playing it on the Medium setting as I work it out) you can run off the track a bit in India and lose only a little bit of speed and time, but when you hit the gravel at Spa or Monza (especially with my set up on those tracks) you're basically fucked. So it was interesting to see the Bahrain off-track bit be solid enough to maintain speed and even overtake. I'd like to see how the stewards rule on it.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 18:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Rosberg was cleared. Alonso's response:

Fernando Alonso ‏ @alo_oficial

· Open

I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ;)))

Three Word Username, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Ahhhh hah ha that's excellent - I do feel for the guy though, that looked scary

The team radio stuff that ends up on air is determined by the teams though right? So Hamilton might have been bitching a blue streak and we'd never know.

Not really into installing bootcamp or whatever, though I'm sorely tempted. That game looks sooooo good.

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

"“I can only say that if, instead of such a wide run-off area there had been a wall, I’m not sure I’d be here now to talk about it.” - Alonso

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 19:56 (five years ago) Permalink

I really don't know what to think about it other than a. looked scary b. I don't understand the overtaking rules cos I'm a noob c. the stewards evidently don't think it's a big deal

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:09 (five years ago) Permalink

Did they determine what was up with Hamilton's left rear tyre during the pit stops?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, Whitmarsh talked about it

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

I think the defensive rules is you have one move, but after that move you have to give space. Alonso seems to be interpreting that to meant that after Rosberg more or less pushed him off the track and Alonso pulled back, Rosberg should have basically let him by, maybe. Rosberg's issue with Hamilton is that he didn't pull back - he just kept going off track and passed him. It felt dangerous to me, and I was reminded of that incident last year where, I think it was Schumacher, running Rubens almost into a wall by not allowing him to get by.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:20 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost re McLaren:
Evidently it's a recurring mechanical issue rather than gross pitstop stupidity, though I really don't get how after the first set of problems they couldn't replace everything on that side? Maybe a defect in all parts that were made

reviewing the Rosbergs, it doesn't look as if it's really his fault, Ham and Alonso just get stuck in and refuse to back off

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess not. It does seem like a very aggressive defensive move, but then he was coming up against aggressive driving. I guess Alonso interpreted Rosberg's move back to the racing line to be a second defensive move, but it really wasn't.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah you can see Ros is just doing his thing (he wasn't pulling a Schumi from last year and weaving all over the place) - one thing I read though is people thought that Hamilton shouldn't have gained a place by overtaking off the track.

I don't know if you're familiar with these video game race/GP reviews, they're pretty fun

Brakhage, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:06 (five years ago) Permalink

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