WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

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toss in "Fool to Cry" and "Memory Motel" and you've got half a good album.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps Hand of Fate is a wonderful track.

yeah, i slighted it by saying only that it's "worth a listen". has been bouncing around my head for hours after one listen this morning. catchy tune, great riff and tone, good lyrics. main problems are that it's at least a minute too long, and i don't like the solos. that and there's a weirdly empty quality to the sound, loose and airless at the same time, that's initially off putting, but the swagger manages to cut through anyway. always makes me want to hear what they'd have done with it circa exile.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I often wish Wayne Perkins had joined the band instead of Woody ("Worried About You"). What tone!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can barely put into words how I feel about this song, but know that I love it more than any other Stones track (and probably more than most songs I've ever heard by anyone). Plz consider giving it points on your ballots!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

1st cut gets me down to 130 songs

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, feel for u, WMC. mine was around 70s, then when up to 90 on a second pass. getting it down past 40 was a kind of hell, like using a knife to select your favorite fingers.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

re "she smiled sweetly": it's not one of my favorites, but i think it'll do just fine, JF, what with the massive wes anderson boost and all. "ruby tuesday" seems like the perfected version, and i cut that, too.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always forget it was in The Royal Tenenbaums (I've only seen that one time, back when it was in theaters).

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would like to take this opportunity to remind you all to vote early and often for Have You Seen Your Mother Baby

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm with whoever said upthread that it's nearly impossible to pick tracks from BtB and Aftermath (my faves on most days, too) on account of the fact that the songs come off better in their natural environment. but "Back Street Girl" **cking slays me no matter where or when
and on the most hated note "my girl" is the worst thing they ever recorded

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm leaning in the direction of obnoxiousness instead of bad songwriting on the most-hated ballot.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fair, but I voted a poor cover version. Not saying which song, but UB40's version was better.

Mark G, Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ballot ready, but I'm going to ponder it for a couple of days before I send it.

This is the biggest discography by far for the single-artist polls, right? I wouldn't be surprised to see #1 votes as far down as the #150-200 range, if the ballot count goes over 50.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

do you really think "Winning Ugly" will get that many #1 votes?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is the biggest discography by far for the single-artist polls, right?

Naw, James Brown's was/is way huger. Problem was, said huge discography seemed to intimidate people into not voting.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not convinced about JB vs RS! I'd bet a shiny dollar that more RS songs will get votes than JB songs did, but that would only work if the number of ballots were the same for both polls. The Stones song list is 450+.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are something like 1200 songs listed here for Prince: http://www.princevault.com/index.php/A-Z_song_list

smash williams, Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if it's possible to accurately calculate James Brown's song list, given live versions and multipart singles. But, at the very least, he matched the Stones year-for-year, album-for-album, and started a good 5+ years before them.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, I'm full of beans

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd really like to see everyone's first draft lists after posting our 20, but that would probably get unwieldy real fast

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me...it would have made such a better album closer than Salt of the Earth, which is such a dud

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Salt of the Earth is a wonderfully insincere closer, just what the album needs. If anything's wrong with it it's that it's too obvious in making things explicit.

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

It didn't feel insincere when they played it at the Concert for 9/11 or whatever...is it really tongue in cheek? sorry to sound naive!

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Salt of the Earth is the fucking great.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

(no the)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

never heard "salt of the earth" as ironic.

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me

yes! love it so much & felt like i was the only one.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

...but i guess i'm wrong abt "salt". i dunno if it's precisely insincere, but it's definitely quite cynical.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

we love you is insincere

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

no irony...and it's got nothing to do with Jagger changing one key verse (guess which...?)

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you hear Salt of the Earth as insincere then to me it just means your jadedness is maybe getting out of hand, idk

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

in fact it sounds so strange

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

but that jaded faded junkie nurse, oh what pleasant company!

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses. if it helps, bear in mind that e.g. many tea partiers are salt-of-the-earth types.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that's right, & that you can hear the Jagger / Keef songwriting dynamic at work in that (though I should read up to see if that's right)

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, I can hear that, the both positions at once, but I still hate it!

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses.

Yes. I'd argue that this has been Jagger's power from the beginning.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

before Bowie and Ferry he was the first to conflate notions of "irony" and "sincerity"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'll take that, roger

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

we love you is insincere

― Iago Galdston, Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

maybe, but it is great and it is on my first draft of 20.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

we love you is insincere
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

maybe, but it is great and it is on my first draft of 20.
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I meant that as a compliment! It's one of the great FU songs, and is in my top 20 too

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

still working through my own ballot, somewhat surprised. going in i would have expected to rate "rocks off" over "tumbling dice" but it's not workin' out that way. and was certain that "let it loose," which I love dearly, would rate over "shine a light." still will i think but dear lord the leadwork in "shine a light" is really something else.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

oic (xp)

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm up to Beggar's Banquet now

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

"we love you" is almost certainly getting one of my satanic majesties-era slots. 9 year old me would go for "dandelion" or "she's a rainbow" or "2000 man" for the opening lick alone but damn. for your consideration:

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

2000 Man is fab, 2nd best on the album after the mighty Citadel

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

both likely gonna be on mine

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vegas has installed Gimme Shelter as the favorite, at 5 to 1.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 26 March 2012 02:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses. if it helps, bear in mind that e.g. many tea partiers are salt-of-the-earth types.

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:56 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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before Bowie and Ferry he was the first to conflate notions of "irony" and "sincerity"

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:05 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this read makes the most sense to me, because it doesn't come across anywhere near so black-hearted as it would if you figured the whole thing was a pisstake, but that "when i look into the faceless crowd" refrain does put a big kink in the apparent sincerity of the rest. like the compassion (or attempted compassion) is in earnest, but mick can't help admitting that he's looking down from above. i like the honesty of this.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

dagmn, "we love you" is so fucking great! killed me to cut it, but i did. agree that it's one of their very best SM-era tracks. like "child of the moon", it's probably gonna get screwed due to not appearing on any of the studio albums or hot rocks.

also:

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink


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