WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

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I'm having a run through It's Only Rock & Roll at the moment. Thoughts on this one? It seems to be regarded as a bit of a dud, if it gets regarded at all, but there're some nice cuts on here - title track, Time Waits For No-One and Luxury are all my kind of Stones, to varying degrees.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 25 March 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of their worst.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

B&B is my favorite of the Stones' mid seventies Anomie Trilogy but not by much.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like If You Want To Be My Friend and Fingerprint File too. The album as a whole seems vaguely lifeless - I'd need to live with it a bit to be sure - but those are good songs.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 25 March 2012 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah It's Only Rock N Roll is not good, I have a hard time hanging with it. It always sounded like they didn't even want me to *listen* to it, let alone play on it themselves.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like there is another quote about the Stones nicking something else from the VU & Nico but I can't find it...

i mentioned upthread that "child of the moon" reminds me strongly of the first-album velvets (GREAT SONG, VOTE FOR IT NOW), but i don't know that there's any stones-on-record commentary supporting the connection

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Black and Blue at least has Fool To Cry, so not a total waste.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

It always sounded like they didn't even want me to *listen* to it, let alone play on it themselves.

Hahaha, that's so perfect.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

re IORnR: i half like both "time waits for no one" and "fingerprint file", but they're both a bit dismal and overlong

"fool to cry" is the only really great song on black and blue, i shed a few tears over cutting it, but "hand of fate" and "memory motel" are at least worth a listen

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think Dance Little Sister is my favorite off that album, but even that didn't go on my ballot. Title track is pretty good for a meathead rawk anthem, but is still a meathead rawk anthem.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

No one's mentioned this yet:

Probably not as good as Vashti Bunyan's hit, but it's on my ballot.

clemenza, Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am a huge fan of "hand of fate" fwiw tho i recognize it's a minor work

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mick Taylor told Jim Lea of Slade that the title track of IORnR was Jagger/Richards attempt at the "Slade formula".

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Needs more handclaps imo

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps Hand of Fate is a wonderful track. Don't know if I'd put it in my 20, but it'd be somewhere in my 40.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Hand of Fate" and "Crazy Mama" are two of my favorite Stones throwaways. The guitar sound on both is shit-hot.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

toss in "Fool to Cry" and "Memory Motel" and you've got half a good album.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps Hand of Fate is a wonderful track.

yeah, i slighted it by saying only that it's "worth a listen". has been bouncing around my head for hours after one listen this morning. catchy tune, great riff and tone, good lyrics. main problems are that it's at least a minute too long, and i don't like the solos. that and there's a weirdly empty quality to the sound, loose and airless at the same time, that's initially off putting, but the swagger manages to cut through anyway. always makes me want to hear what they'd have done with it circa exile.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I often wish Wayne Perkins had joined the band instead of Woody ("Worried About You"). What tone!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can barely put into words how I feel about this song, but know that I love it more than any other Stones track (and probably more than most songs I've ever heard by anyone). Plz consider giving it points on your ballots!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

1st cut gets me down to 130 songs

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, feel for u, WMC. mine was around 70s, then when up to 90 on a second pass. getting it down past 40 was a kind of hell, like using a knife to select your favorite fingers.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

re "she smiled sweetly": it's not one of my favorites, but i think it'll do just fine, JF, what with the massive wes anderson boost and all. "ruby tuesday" seems like the perfected version, and i cut that, too.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I always forget it was in The Royal Tenenbaums (I've only seen that one time, back when it was in theaters).

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would like to take this opportunity to remind you all to vote early and often for Have You Seen Your Mother Baby

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm with whoever said upthread that it's nearly impossible to pick tracks from BtB and Aftermath (my faves on most days, too) on account of the fact that the songs come off better in their natural environment. but "Back Street Girl" **cking slays me no matter where or when
and on the most hated note "my girl" is the worst thing they ever recorded

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm leaning in the direction of obnoxiousness instead of bad songwriting on the most-hated ballot.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fair, but I voted a poor cover version. Not saying which song, but UB40's version was better.

Mark G, Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ballot ready, but I'm going to ponder it for a couple of days before I send it.

This is the biggest discography by far for the single-artist polls, right? I wouldn't be surprised to see #1 votes as far down as the #150-200 range, if the ballot count goes over 50.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

do you really think "Winning Ugly" will get that many #1 votes?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is the biggest discography by far for the single-artist polls, right?

Naw, James Brown's was/is way huger. Problem was, said huge discography seemed to intimidate people into not voting.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 March 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not convinced about JB vs RS! I'd bet a shiny dollar that more RS songs will get votes than JB songs did, but that would only work if the number of ballots were the same for both polls. The Stones song list is 450+.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are something like 1200 songs listed here for Prince: http://www.princevault.com/index.php/A-Z_song_list

smash williams, Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if it's possible to accurately calculate James Brown's song list, given live versions and multipart singles. But, at the very least, he matched the Stones year-for-year, album-for-album, and started a good 5+ years before them.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, I'm full of beans

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd really like to see everyone's first draft lists after posting our 20, but that would probably get unwieldy real fast

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me...it would have made such a better album closer than Salt of the Earth, which is such a dud

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Salt of the Earth is a wonderfully insincere closer, just what the album needs. If anything's wrong with it it's that it's too obvious in making things explicit.

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

It didn't feel insincere when they played it at the Concert for 9/11 or whatever...is it really tongue in cheek? sorry to sound naive!

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Salt of the Earth is the fucking great.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

(no the)

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

never heard "salt of the earth" as ironic.

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me

yes! love it so much & felt like i was the only one.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

...but i guess i'm wrong abt "salt". i dunno if it's precisely insincere, but it's definitely quite cynical.

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

we love you is insincere

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

no irony...and it's got nothing to do with Jagger changing one key verse (guess which...?)

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you hear Salt of the Earth as insincere then to me it just means your jadedness is maybe getting out of hand, idk

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

in fact it sounds so strange

Euler, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

but that jaded faded junkie nurse, oh what pleasant company!

Iago Galdston, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses. if it helps, bear in mind that e.g. many tea partiers are salt-of-the-earth types.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 26 March 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink


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