totally dug tiny furniture
― max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.
guardian interview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/mar/23/lena-dunham-tiny-furniture-emma-brockes
― just sayin, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://nymag.com/print/?/arts/tv/features/girls-lena-dunham-2012-4/
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 11:31 (twelve years ago) link
I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.
the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
the pipe scene was the clincher
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, agreed.the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
"In the street?""No, worse than that"
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
twice actually!
― surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?
haha me too
i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
"WKIW", as I believe you say
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
the character, not lena i mean
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".
its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
xxp
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich
I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw
― Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.
That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.
― 1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege
i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22
― Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
^
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here
― y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
felt like the second to last episode would have been a better ending― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
I feel like it's crucial for Hannah to end up alone with her baby though - even though Marnie and her mom are downstairs, but it ends with Hannah and her son upstairs, singing Fast Car. I watched the whole show in 4 months instead of 5 years, and it absolutely benefitted from that, like most shows would. I thought the scope of the show would be bigger than it was, and the situations basically become entrenched in season 4. the more I think about it the more disappointed I am that Marnie was given any quarter after sneaking into Hannah's house in Poughkeepsie and sleeping in her bed and going on her bone-chilling "I won" rant. I have to know Dunham & Konner & Apatow take on Marnie but I'm not ready. How can anyone see this person as anything but a monster, and by far the worst of the bunch?
― flappy bird, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:06 (five years ago) link
I mean, that "I won" monologue makes it pretty clear where the filmmakers stand
― flappy bird, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:07 (five years ago) link
I haven't finished the series (and wonder if I ever will?) but I appreciate your commentary flappy bird, I've always thought Lena Dunham "in the press" belied the work itself, which at the very least, made me laugh, a lot, which is an achievement
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:11 (five years ago) link
The first three seasons still resonate with me as being extremely deft portrayals of NYC 20-somethings (at least, the ones I encountered) and the bizarre mindset that that city creates in young creatives
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link
I mean to me this is the transformation of great white hope to death to hipsters to basicbitch but we suffer them in parts of ourselves.
― Yerac, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:30 (five years ago) link
I don't know what specifically happened on the show about this but I know know too many smart women still caught up in it ( an I Won thing) and I get really sad that it's even a thing.
― Yerac, Sunday, 28 April 2019 04:42 (five years ago) link
Well, I read the wiki synopses and jumped ahead to the last episode and I thought it was great
I don't really know how to type this properly but it is kind of amazing how Lena/Hannah has normalized quotidian onscreen nudebody in a way that is really uplifting. The dovetail of Mom berating Hannah into Hannah berating runaway was perfect. I liked how all the other characters who I essentially don't care about (please save me from ever having to think about an Adam/Desi/Ray/Gay Dad/Mormon Dude ever again) were just not present, that was nice
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 28 April 2019 05:38 (five years ago) link
Marnie was always a total monster and it's only because Desi is an even bigger monster that we entertain the thought that she's not a monster.
― Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Sunday, 28 April 2019 10:03 (five years ago) link
I really enjoy Girls but 'child as redemption' is such bullshit
what happened with jessa/adam at the end, again?
― kinder, Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:09 (five years ago) link
Oh I didn't think there was a "child as redemption" thing. Hannah storms out of the house screaming "thanks mom for choosing to raise me with a homosexual father and deny me any semblance of a nuclear family", then she shows compassion for a teenage girl in trouble only to find out she's just trying to get out of her homework, and she gets mad and asks for her pants back and the girl calls her a psycho. So she goes home and Grover and crying. A running theme in this show seems to be that there is a complicated relationship between children and parents. There's a lot of "Jessa is a monster" "Marnie is a monster" about this show but I think the show very aggressively wants you to understand there are no good or bad people in the show, the characters are too complicated for that reduction.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 28 April 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
I was pretty drunk last night and was wondering what thread I had posted on. Ha!
― Yerac, Sunday, 28 April 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
earlier post was about how Hannah figured it out and grew up after deciding to have a baby
― kinder, Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
holy shit this lunatic narcissism
As I planned my summer in Wales, my head filled with visions of romance, I supposed I’d do what the heroines of novels did when they crossed the pond for a new life: go to the shore to take the healing air. Meet a man and move into his stunning manor, possibly watched over by a sinister housemaid. Scurry through cobblestoned streets and into dusty bookshops, furtively pulling up the hood of my cloak. Go to a banquet and dance to piano music in a great hall. Taste gamey meats on a date with a count, then become a countess. Shoot a bow and arrow. Develop a slight accent. Images of everything from Brighton Rock to Emma, The Woman In White to Notting Hill, filled my head. There was even a little 24 Hour Party People in there. But as it would happen, my days were long, and much more Wernham Hogg than Wuthering Heights.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Spoiler: It's about Love Island
― kinder, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
we must protect lena dunham at all costs
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
why would anyone print this inane article
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
^ probably to quietly point out how she has spent five months in the country without ever noticing that it is a different country to the one she thought she was going to
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
Emma is set in Surrey, EnglandWuthering Heights is set in Yorkshire, EnglandWernham Hogg is situated in Slough, England24 Hour Party People is set in and very specifically about Manchester, EnglandBrighton Rock is set, and there may have been some clue to this, in Brighton, EnglandNotting Hill also drops some subtle titular hints as to its setting in Notting Hill, a district in London, EnglandThe Woman In White is set in Cumberland, England and Hampshire, England, and London, England
also Wales has neither counts nor countesses. you can become a countess by marriage in England, but not by marrying a count, because England also does not have counts.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
Has she done this before (getting things terribly wrong about the U.K)? Otherwise I'm just experiencing deja-vu and nevermind.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
she's just in "britain" and is eliding - just due to ignorance, i would assume - the particularity of the member nations
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link
just due to ignorance, i would assume
yes
this is the point
she literally can't be bothered to look out of her own head for 0.5 seconds to realise that she is thinking about a different country, even when she is writing 9,000 words about how ignorant she is due to making unthinking assumptions
the particularity of the member nations
she's eliding a bunch of European nations too
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
sounds like you find her annoying sic
― badg, Thursday, 1 August 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
It’s dumb spacefiller but would be hard-pushed to find it annoying or lunatic or... anything, really
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
common or garden yank ignorance wrt these islands is hardly in the top 1000 of lena dunham's crimes of discourse
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
I watched and mostly liked the first four or so seasons of Girls
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
I love Lena and everything she's ever done and said
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link
:D
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
She is a flawless human being and an inspiration to everyone
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
idk im tired at work it's slow as shit this is pure unfiltered sleep deprived flappy bird hours
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
New feature film (Sharp Stick) debuts at Sundance (online) this weekend.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 20 January 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
Enjoyed this more in retrospect than while watching it. If the strengths of Girls made that show worth watching for you (great casting, honest moments, good dialogue, complicated sex), this one has those as well – as well as (as with Solondz et al) the feeling of an individual rather than a studio deciding how to provoke in ways that match her personal truths.
What’s different is that this protagonist feels much, much younger than the Girls women. Not just sheltered. And only a throwaway line of dialogue establishing her as 26 keeps this from feeling like it’s about someone mid-teens.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Sunday, 23 January 2022 04:42 (two years ago) link
I love Girls. An amazing show all the way through.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 23 January 2022 07:10 (two years ago) link
Great post:
Emma is set in Surrey, EnglandWuthering Heights is set in Yorkshire, EnglandWernham Hogg is situated in Slough, England24 Hour Party People is set in and very specifically about Manchester, EnglandBrighton Rock is set, and there may have been some clue to this, in Brighton, EnglandNotting Hill also drops some subtle titular hints as to its setting in Notting Hill, a district in London, EnglandThe Woman In White is set in Cumberland, England and Hampshire, England, and London, Englandalso Wales has neither counts nor countesses. you can become a countess by marriage in England, but not by marrying a count, because England also does not have counts.― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, July 31, 2019
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, July 31, 2019
― the pinefox, Sunday, 23 January 2022 09:37 (two years ago) link
finally watching season 5 and finding it frequently funny tbh
― nashwan, Thursday, 10 February 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
rewatching this series for the first time since it originally ran and shocked at how good it is, but also how it seems to be from another century entirely, despite only being 12 years old.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 17 March 2024 02:03 (one month ago) link
funny to look back at the reactions people had toward these characters, who are simply human.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 17 March 2024 02:08 (one month ago) link
I loved this show from start to finish.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 17 March 2024 02:20 (one month ago) link
Even with the passage of time and eating ass becoming a meme, the kitchen butt motorboat still seems pretty out there for a non-Cinemax show.
Empire had the blowjob bib but American TV is regressing when it comes to lol wtf sex scenes.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 17 March 2024 07:37 (one month ago) link