GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.
the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege

i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

^

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's Doc Gooden, but not that Doc Gooden.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

so Sunday then..

piscesx, Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

wow for a show that we manage to talk about so much it sure is boring isnt it

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Monday, 12 January 2015 04:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Marnie-fails always oddly gratifying

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I hate Marnie's band

so

fucking

much

Jennifer 8. ( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

I thought they were one of the better things in the episode. The ass eating was good and Elijah was good as always. Or maybe it's just the actor, he's always good isn't he?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

they are such a terrible folk duo, their attempts at "harmonizing" are laughable

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 18:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

"boring" otm

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

I read some ep summaries and it looks like my last watched episode is the end of season two.

Do I watch season three? Should I skip to new eps?

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

since this show is v plot-driven I would say no don't skip s3

for one thing, there is great Laird action in season 3

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

I don't even remember who Laird is! I'm sure it'll come back to me

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol I couldn't either, but then I looked it up and realized I remembered the character just not the name

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

You know what's even more boring than Girls? Togetherness, which I was looking forward to because Mark Duplass is awesome on The League.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:19 (1 week ago) Permalink

I need to try Looking just to see if HBO has hit a trifecta of "why would anyone watch these whiny people not be funny or interesting for 30-45 minutes?"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

I really liked the first episode of Togetherness, will totally watch

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

The sounds of Public Enemy?

bit of a singles monster (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

Night of the Living Basehead.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah was good as always.

His line about how he wouldn't have to see his ex if he didn't live in New York had me genuinely LOLLING

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 09:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

Same, but I'd started when said ex turned up at brunch wearing three tired New Jersey faghags.

camp event (suzy), Friday, 16 January 2015 10:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

The first episode seemed more like the last one of the series before.

Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 16 January 2015 11:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah is consistently the funniest lately. but this show isn't particularly interested in comedy.

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 January 2015 16:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

I like his character, he's very good at doing that thing where a person is obviously full of shit but kind of believes his own bullshit.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

ok the degree to which this writing workshop episode is incredibly awkward is sorta the narrow sweet spot where the show shines

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Monday, 19 January 2015 21:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah again w the only laughs

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 January 2015 23:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

I couldn't watch the writing workshop all the way through.

franny glasshole (franny glass), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:50 (6 days ago) Permalink

as many problems as i have with this show, there's a compilation of those and related scenes that should be shown to every young person interested in creative writing on every campus in america

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:53 (6 days ago) Permalink

ha, yes

Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 01:00 (6 days ago) Permalink

yes x1000 - I had a concentration in creative writing as an undergrad and fear of shit like that is one of the reasons I decided not to continue that path into grad school. That scene was so horribly awkward. Also Elijah is the best and I think I hate everyone who is not him too. Why am I still watching this?!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 13:18 (6 days ago) Permalink

god I haaaated Elijah when he was introduced but he has really grown on me.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:06 (6 days ago) Permalink

Like HPV.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:06 (6 days ago) Permalink

he's a stereotype/caricature - at the same time I totally had friends p much exactly like him at that age

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:25 (6 days ago) Permalink

I def feel like there are scenarios w/ certain friends and at certain events where I am an Elijah and it kind of horrifies me.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:35 (6 days ago) Permalink

rly hope someone who's met me will rush in and vehemently deny this

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:38 (6 days ago) Permalink

i have a disproportionate number of friends who went to the Iowa Writer's Workshop, so i look forward to seeing this & hearing how they got it wrong.

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:44 (6 days ago) Permalink

from a friend on facebook: "The one thing they got right: Lena Dunham is definitely the type of person who would corner you in a booth at the Foxhead after workshop and demand to know why you hated her story so much."

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:57 (6 days ago) Permalink

I can't speak to it's realism, but this was def the most enjoyable episode in a long, long time

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:56 (6 days ago) Permalink

I liked the bat.

akm, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:24 (6 days ago) Permalink


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