GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

guardian interview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/mar/23/lena-dunham-tiny-furniture-emma-brockes

just sayin, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:09 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (four years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (four years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (four years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (four years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (four years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (four years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (four years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (four years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I never really understand the "ugh, why would i want to watch something about rich people" criticism. I like to watch things about all kinds of people. I'm not rich btw

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

That being the case, I almost wish it had been less self-aware and more just a document of 23/24-ness. She probably had more awareness of how ridiculous people are at that age than most people do when they actually are that age, but it still didn't seem like a terribly high level of awareness.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

am i automatically supposed to give a shit about poor people but not about rich people

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:48 (four years ago) Permalink

I've also heard the opposite argument, the why-make-art-out-of-other-people's poverty argument that seems to suggest ALL films should be about people who are at LEAST of the same social status as the filmmaker/potential audience, which is deeply weird.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:50 (four years ago) Permalink

It's interesting that a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege translates to some as a demand for an apology or a lack of desire to see a movie about rich people. Kinda not the same thing at all.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:51 (four years ago) Permalink

i think its really 'self-aware' but not entirely self-critical, like these are the worst impulses and decisions and stuff but its not about how terrible its just like, this is how it is

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:52 (four years ago) Permalink

i tend to think that the best art is usually made about people from the same social/economic background as the filmmaker, this is not a real Rule at all but i guess im saying id rather lena dunham make this movie and whit stillman make those movies and john updike write about rabbit than have them all try to do like "menace II society" or something

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:53 (four years ago) Permalink

OTM. Although the attempt might be horrifyingly absorbing.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:54 (four years ago) Permalink

anyways her character is not rich, her parents are better off than average. she leaps head on into being working poor. Having the puffy white cloud of conditional support beneath you is nice, but her story seems to be about what happens when you've always had gentle hands carrying you everywhere and then the palanquin stops and you gotta figure out how to be a grown up.
the "I feel like I'm entering a really exiting period in my life right now" / "What are you talking about? Everything you own is in garbage bags on my kitchen floor" joke is very much dead on with my experience during that time and feels pretty real. sure it's privileged, but she's hyperaware of it and seems to be primed to make good stories within that space

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:55 (four years ago) Permalink

a desire to see a higher level of awareness of the characters' privilege

i mean i think there are lots of parts of 'tiny furniture'/what ive seen of 'girls' thats really aware of how privileged some of the characters are but they maybe still dont know what that means, how they should deal with their comparative privilege not knowing the right tone to strike or pose to take or w/e like knowing w/o really understanding, being 22

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:56 (four years ago) Permalink

^

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

as a guy who DID move back home with his parents after college i suspect i'll find things to sympathize with here

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:58 (four years ago) Permalink

it was very good.

akm, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 03:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

Really good ep. But I didn't dislike the panic in needle park one either. The show is easily overrated but also easily over hated imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 06:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

these were okay, a little DO U SEE with the characters' stating things so plainly

also lol @ Dunham getting her characters' ethnicity wrong

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 17:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

Last two episodes some of the best of the entire show, enjoyed them more than anything since before Hannah went to Iowa. Jenny Slate was great (even if I got weird vibes that Lena Dunham was trying to cop some Broad City vibe in their scenes) and that ep's denouement with Jessa and Adam was great. The Jessa and Adam stuff in the final episode was really dark, and painful, and stirring.

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

even if I got weird vibes that Lena Dunham was trying to cop some Broad City vibe in their scenes

yeah, yr not alone on that one

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

turned out that broad city was i wanted Girls to be, just sayin.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

yup. joeks are funny. navel gazing not so much.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh wow that WAS a good episode. So fed up w Hannah for stealing a bike tho.

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 22:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

a twenty-five or whatever yr old w a framed seance on a wet afternoon poster is the least realistic thing ever depicted on this show

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 23:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

i knew twenty five yr olds w/ a framed Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? poster tho -- is that more realistic or less realistic?

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

All through that fight I kept thinking "Oh Ray, your lovely, lovely apartment..."

What's the Elliot Gould movie he's got the poster for over the fireplace?

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

Poster is Ray's, he's older.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 12:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

What's the Elliot Gould movie he's got the poster for over the fireplace?

that's from Long Goodbye, and its a cardboard standup iirc?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

altho yeah lol my thought too was "wow what a couple of assholes, breaking all Ray's shit"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

i knew twenty five yr olds w/ a framed Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? poster tho

more realistic, bcz that movie's not so hot ;)

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

Polly Maggoo massive style icon to my other half when she was a teen

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

yah slow motion weed smoking to urban outfitters music was wayy too broad city for me

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 17:51 (seven months ago) Permalink

My wife started watching girls and I missed most of the first season but I kept catching bits of the end of the first and second season and started watching it with her. I will say that I had assumed I would hate this show, and I mostly do. Season final was very good, even though I hate most of the characters, I will say, Shoshanna is way underused, and Elijah is maybe the best.

JacobSanders, Thursday, 21 April 2016 03:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

I had to look up polly maggoo, damn Dorothy McGowan could pass for could i get some nude photoes of audrey hepburn's neck plz

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

this show is so tonally bizarre--i've never understood how its admirers (which included me once upon a time) can square the "you're supposed to hate the characters and their privilege etc" with what can only be described as bathetic non-sequiturs for which caring about the characters seems a prerequisite. and the lazy hipster caricatures! and the flatly fantastical parable in which ray's coffee shop catera to "adults" where adulthood simply means, i dunno, having a job and not being a hipster anymore? and i felt like the trashing of the apt sequence was kind of desperate because they didn't really have anything actually dramatic to do. i guess i dont get this show at all.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh and the broad city thing was strange, since it seemed like a fairly explicit allusion. it somehow comes off as professional jealously.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

also was the last shot a reference to the 400 Blows.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

yea the anti-hipster coffee shop seemed like a misstep for this show. otm on too flat a portrayal. I think the rest of ur critique is on point but the tone mix is a strength & makes it sortof more nuanced than staying in 1 lane. like y cant you hate their privilege and also care abt them?

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

i think that's fair--maybe the cognitive dissonance is too much for me.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere.

Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:49 (seven months ago) Permalink

Last two shows were really poorly written. They do this every season - Hannah asks like a jerk for nine episodes then gets some kind of gentle affirming resolution. Everyone else has their character monstered at the last minute for holding Hannah back.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

add this to the list of shows that i just keep watching out of some self imposed obligation to finish what i started while no longer getting enjoyment out of it.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ray rode by me slowly on a bike recently and if it's possible for a facial expression to say "Yeah, that's right, I'm Ray," that's exactly what it said.

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

"there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere."

i've absolutely been to coffee shops without lids

akm, Friday, 22 April 2016 20:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

Cafes Sans Frontiers

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Friday, 22 April 2016 20:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Ugh: http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/11/10/milo-offers-to-pay-for-lena-dunhams-one-way-ticket-to-canada/

I kind of hope Lena runs riot over Dumpster Person #1 here.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 November 2016 21:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i kind of despise the "I'm moving to canada" crap tbh, it's so smug, entitled, and disingenuous, not available to the people who might actually benefit from it, and it plays into the hands of the "cosmopolitan elitist liberal blah blah blah" label the right puts on rich/famous liberals. also the country i live in is not a consolation prize.

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 November 2016 21:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The not-entirely-serious frustration-vent of "I'm gonna move to XXXXX" is not the coolest thing to say but can we in this shitty new era please recognise that Milo is the actual piece of shit here?

the fog of "Wha...?" (stevie), Friday, 11 November 2016 09:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

useful rule of thumb: in any given situation, milo is always the actual piece of shit

not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 11 November 2016 10:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

well obvs

the fog of "Wha...?" (stevie), Friday, 11 November 2016 10:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

More like Lena dudham, amirite?

Ross, Friday, 11 November 2016 15:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/797107117601816576

FREE BRADY (daria-g), Saturday, 12 November 2016 03:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 13h13 hours ago
@DouthatNYT Certainly I don't think *critics* on the left mistake "Girls" for " a fun show about 'the youth.'"

Ross Douthat ‏@DouthatNYT 13h13 hours ago
@AlyssaRosenberg Allow me my jokes.

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 12h12 hours ago
@DouthatNYT How else will I prove that I am the Humorless Liberal Critic, Destroyer of Jokes?

Treeship, Saturday, 12 November 2016 04:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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