GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

S4 seems to be where this show has properly hit the skids. loved the last season but yeah kinda aimless right about now.

piscesx, Monday, 23 February 2015 22:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

When I think about it in practical terms I shoudl really have got off the bus after S2. Watching S4 'in case it got better' has been an exercise in frustration at how much I don't care about anybody. Old Man Ray is the only recurring character I give a shit about, following what happened to Adam this series.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 23 February 2015 22:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

oh yeah i've seen 3 of s3, b'day party ep yuck

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 February 2015 22:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

I actually kind of enjoyed this week's episode, which is the first time that's happened in a long time! (I even laughed out loud when Marnie and Desi were arguing about She & Him). I thought the Mimi-Rose / Adam dynamic was well done and it was refreshing to see a likeable female character who has their shit together.

bae sremmurd (monotony), Monday, 23 February 2015 22:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

I can't really begrudge the show for being something that maybe just wasn't meant to have this many seasons. You can only do the stuck early 20-somethings thing for a few years, then stuff kind of has to happen. Even the characters who stay "stuck" have to have their FRIENDS moving on and leaving them behind, making their own stuckness start to feel sad (I think Baumbach has handled this subject well). In Girls, characters' lives are moving but in a way that feels unrealistic and forced, with suddenly several characters from the same group of friends going from nothing happening to a lot happening.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 22:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I mean being in your 20s in a big city, youre jettisoning friends and gaining new ones all the time, so there feels something forced in having the girls hanging out and still trundling along doing nothing. Last episode was really really bad imo.

tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 19:09 (6 days ago) Permalink

it is weird how their social world feels so small - there's never other extraneous random friends around

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 19:25 (6 days ago) Permalink

i feel like this is compelling television and also in real life people often end up hanging out with the same three or four people all the time

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:29 (5 days ago) Permalink

shoshanah was hilarious. desi was an asshole/should serve as a warning to ilmers

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:29 (5 days ago) Permalink

also adam's a dickhead i hope he gets run over by a truck

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

Desi and Marnie are both horrible awful people who deserve to be trapped in an apartment arguing about whether or not they are like She & Him imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:38 (5 days ago) Permalink

marnie isn't so bad. she is just superficial in all ways.

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:39 (5 days ago) Permalink

i don't really want to watch hannah try to become a teacher though. seems like it's going to be ridiculous/brutal

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:41 (5 days ago) Permalink

marnie isn't so bad. she is just superficial in all ways.

― Treeship, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How is that not bad?

schwantz, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:46 (5 days ago) Permalink

i mean, there's bad and there's bad. hannah and especially jessa are narcissistic to the point of delusion and this has had disastrous consequences for other people in their lives. marnie is comparatively harmless. she is narcissistic in a way that strikes me as adolescent-like.

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:53 (5 days ago) Permalink

we all know marnies, i'm sure. they're just like, people who see their lives as a really shallow movie that they are obsessed with interpreting and reinterpreting

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 00:54 (5 days ago) Permalink

Ok, fair enough. I guess she isn't as vengeful or spiteful as Hannah/Jessa are. Still pretty narcissistic tho.

schwantz, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:01 (5 days ago) Permalink

i love Shosh.
butdussy.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:45 (5 days ago) Permalink

"harvard grad makes good, what an inspiring story!"

Treeship, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 01:47 (5 days ago) Permalink

Lollll

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:09 (5 days ago) Permalink

Elijah also had good lines
"I had just put a bid in on 16 acres"

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 02:11 (5 days ago) Permalink

I love how Elijah constantly spouts all this really weird shit that is amusing in its zaniness and then completely falls apart when you imagine Elijah as a character actually following through w/ these things off camera

Like I don't mean that as a critique, I just enjoy it. It's like there's a secret ~productive~ Elijah running around

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 17:12 (5 days ago) Permalink

Doesn't it seem odd how few characters there are on the show (any?) who aren't completely narcissistic and self-obsessed?

walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 18:54 (5 days ago) Permalink

I can't think of one

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 18:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

Laird maybe

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 18:57 (5 days ago) Permalink

those are the defining traits for mid-20 yr olds so, no

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:00 (5 days ago) Permalink

it's funny, i didn't get on board with the show until i took it as a sloppy collection of moments that are tonally inconsistent and regularly undercut established character work that still manages to be amusing and occasionally cutting for 30 minutes, like they made a soap opera out of the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie. so it couldn't really go haywire or down the wrong road unless i stopped enjoying the actors.

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:14 (5 days ago) Permalink

ike they made a soap opera out of the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie.

holy. shit.

this is such a brilliant summary.

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:15 (5 days ago) Permalink

i also watch the show to learn new annoyed sounds from adam that i can make during my commute

da croupier, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

stop fucking murdering buñuel you charlatans

vacuum head tree disease (imago), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:19 (5 days ago) Permalink

Lena Duñuel

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:06 (5 days ago) Permalink

Watched a few episodes of S4 last night, I think the first scene I've actually enjoyed of this show was Dunham's takedown of her fellow MFAs.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:49 (5 days ago) Permalink

croup otm

SO otm

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:59 (5 days ago) Permalink

rattlesnake cowgirl
heart for sale
whoa wow wonderful
song for marcus garvey
oaxaca blues
kokopeli shelly

that's top six right there

slam dunk, Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

loooool

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:03 (4 days ago) Permalink

desi is the worst. so perfectly, punchably realized

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

Haha I know. As awful and overblown as these characters seem sometimes, I have met all of them (except Shosh! Who is the best anyway) to a tee in real life, and I still have a hard time believing they exist like that.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:37 (4 days ago) Permalink

yeah like they are broad strokes caricatures but the tiny details are well-observed enough to make them seem somehow familiar

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:56 (4 days ago) Permalink

i'm a year behind, like Gaby Hoffmann as Adam's batshit mess sister

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:58 (4 days ago) Permalink

she's so good

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 February 2015 05:06 (4 days ago) Permalink

Loved this week's abortion plotline and the Adam/Mimi-Rose relationship in general.

Desi is the magnificent worst. His misplaced snobbery about She & Him was perfect.

Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:09 (4 days ago) Permalink

back to s3: Ray-Marnie ridiculous as a zipless fuck, let alone a couple for any length of time. Sub-Dawson's Creek.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:12 (4 days ago) Permalink

tho it does recall Judy Tenuta's line "Did you ever start dating someone, instead of committing suicide?"

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:13 (4 days ago) Permalink

lol

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 February 2015 20:14 (4 days ago) Permalink

ok, the second half of the third season got a LOT better. The biggest shocker was that Shoshanna bacame more than a cartoon (or a deeper one). She was great drunkenly ripping everyone to shreds in the Beach House ep, and then incredibly moving making her plea to Ray in the finale. Z Mamet has my respect.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 February 2015 12:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

she's kind of my favourite character in s4

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Friday, 27 February 2015 12:41 (3 days ago) Permalink

definitely

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 February 2015 15:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

and then incredibly moving making her plea to Ray in the finale.

agree that this was one of the few moments in this show that felt emotionally real, almost to a disturbing degree

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 February 2015 16:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

Mixed feelings about Girls (and S4). Notably not enjoying this season (so far) as much as others; considering giving up on it.

Yet I do want to give Dunham credit for something I'm not sure has been much discussed. There's a lot of cartoonishness in Girls. But (in all seasons) the depiction of male/ female sexual relationships has a surprising complexity, nuance, even courage. (Much of the charge of the previous seasons is the unfolding complexity of Hannah's and Adam's relationship.)

E.g. abortion in last episode. No matter how one as tv watcher reacted to the early scene (whether you feel Adam is the asshole or Mimi-Rose is the asshole; the dress is blue-black or white-gold), the episode was fair to and acknowledged both deeply felt and authentic positions.

It's ironic because Dunham's IRL messiness (e.g. memoir-ed alleged Republican rapist or sister pebbles-- on which topics I haven't read ILX) provoked opposed extreme reactions. But while (I think) Dunham is probably IRL an asshole; her fiction is nuanced and complex and (even against certain politically correct supposed "SJW" "feminist" preconceptions) brave-- just in conveying a descriptive (not prescriptive) experience from both male and female perspectives.

NB not that it makes any difference but I'm an XX female.

drash, Saturday, 28 February 2015 07:56 (2 days ago) Permalink

PS If I had to pick a "side," I'd pick Mimi-Rose. But I was also completely empathetic to Adam's POV.

I think this is an admirable skill for an author/ creator (what Bakhtin calls polyphony).

drash, Saturday, 28 February 2015 11:30 (2 days ago) Permalink


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