GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

i sorta love how terrible they had to make desi to find an appropriate match for marnie's self-absorbtion

ive seen enough Good Wife episodes (s.clover), Monday, 28 March 2016 05:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

like a one hour play about just the two of them fighting would be sort of amazing, in a modernist avant-garde awful way

ive seen enough Good Wife episodes (s.clover), Monday, 28 March 2016 05:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

man that was bad

only funny moment/laugh was when Desi started to cry

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

glad they brought Marnie's douchebag ex back around for one final round of humiliation though

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 March 2016 20:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

"What have you been doing since you left Girls we broke up?"

"Now I'm a fat drug-dealing junkie!"

schwantz, Thursday, 31 March 2016 21:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

ok so Hannah has become so improbably immature and bad decision makey and just a fucked up nonsense shell of a human being and it has completely ceased to be funny, interesting, or even remotely logical or realistic. It makes absolutely zero sense, and also it's very tiresome and I don't care about anything she does at all.

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 4 April 2016 14:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

I can't separate this show in my mind from Dunham's sycophantish public displays of appreciation for people like Hillary Clinton and Melinda Gates, and to me that is of a piece with the show's very narrow, mainstream young upper-middle-class liberal take on things -- forward thinking about sex and relationships up to a point, complacent about p much everything else.

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 4 April 2016 14:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

Lol desi's ray bradbury shelf

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 03:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

Hannah needs to get fired from this school.

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 03:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

This show is amazing

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

Desi is so ridiculous

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wtf with charlies accent

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

Is that what happens when you get addicted to cocaine?

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

This episode was totally filmed in my neighborhooddddd

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

Its not rough the way they make it seem in the episode. Far more marnies than nu-charlies

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 04:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol so no one's watching this eh

Οὖτις, Monday, 18 April 2016 16:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

this was the best episode of this show in a very long time.

akm, Monday, 18 April 2016 17:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

it seems to have virtually vanished in terms of popular buzz

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 18 April 2016 17:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

this episode managed the amazing trick of underscoring and making extremely blatant every critique you could possibly make about most of the main characters, and yet, somehow, making them more likable in the end. in fact this should probably have been the last episode of the series.

akm, Monday, 18 April 2016 17:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh wow this gives me hope! I was planning on getting around to this week's ep like whenver, eventually

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 18 April 2016 23:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

it was very good.

akm, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 03:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

Really good ep. But I didn't dislike the panic in needle park one either. The show is easily overrated but also easily over hated imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 06:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

these were okay, a little DO U SEE with the characters' stating things so plainly

also lol @ Dunham getting her characters' ethnicity wrong

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 17:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

Last two episodes some of the best of the entire show, enjoyed them more than anything since before Hannah went to Iowa. Jenny Slate was great (even if I got weird vibes that Lena Dunham was trying to cop some Broad City vibe in their scenes) and that ep's denouement with Jessa and Adam was great. The Jessa and Adam stuff in the final episode was really dark, and painful, and stirring.

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

even if I got weird vibes that Lena Dunham was trying to cop some Broad City vibe in their scenes

yeah, yr not alone on that one

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

turned out that broad city was i wanted Girls to be, just sayin.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

yup. joeks are funny. navel gazing not so much.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

Oh wow that WAS a good episode. So fed up w Hannah for stealing a bike tho.

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 22:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

a twenty-five or whatever yr old w a framed seance on a wet afternoon poster is the least realistic thing ever depicted on this show

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 23:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

i knew twenty five yr olds w/ a framed Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? poster tho -- is that more realistic or less realistic?

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

All through that fight I kept thinking "Oh Ray, your lovely, lovely apartment..."

What's the Elliot Gould movie he's got the poster for over the fireplace?

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

Poster is Ray's, he's older.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 12:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

What's the Elliot Gould movie he's got the poster for over the fireplace?

that's from Long Goodbye, and its a cardboard standup iirc?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

altho yeah lol my thought too was "wow what a couple of assholes, breaking all Ray's shit"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

i knew twenty five yr olds w/ a framed Who Are You, Polly Maggoo? poster tho

more realistic, bcz that movie's not so hot ;)

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

Polly Maggoo massive style icon to my other half when she was a teen

Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

yah slow motion weed smoking to urban outfitters music was wayy too broad city for me

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 17:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

My wife started watching girls and I missed most of the first season but I kept catching bits of the end of the first and second season and started watching it with her. I will say that I had assumed I would hate this show, and I mostly do. Season final was very good, even though I hate most of the characters, I will say, Shoshanna is way underused, and Elijah is maybe the best.

JacobSanders, Thursday, 21 April 2016 03:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

I had to look up polly maggoo, damn Dorothy McGowan could pass for could i get some nude photoes of audrey hepburn's neck plz

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

this show is so tonally bizarre--i've never understood how its admirers (which included me once upon a time) can square the "you're supposed to hate the characters and their privilege etc" with what can only be described as bathetic non-sequiturs for which caring about the characters seems a prerequisite. and the lazy hipster caricatures! and the flatly fantastical parable in which ray's coffee shop catera to "adults" where adulthood simply means, i dunno, having a job and not being a hipster anymore? and i felt like the trashing of the apt sequence was kind of desperate because they didn't really have anything actually dramatic to do. i guess i dont get this show at all.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh and the broad city thing was strange, since it seemed like a fairly explicit allusion. it somehow comes off as professional jealously.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

also was the last shot a reference to the 400 Blows.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

yea the anti-hipster coffee shop seemed like a misstep for this show. otm on too flat a portrayal. I think the rest of ur critique is on point but the tone mix is a strength & makes it sortof more nuanced than staying in 1 lane. like y cant you hate their privilege and also care abt them?

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

i think that's fair--maybe the cognitive dissonance is too much for me.

ryan, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere.

Treeship, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

Last two shows were really poorly written. They do this every season - Hannah asks like a jerk for nine episodes then gets some kind of gentle affirming resolution. Everyone else has their character monstered at the last minute for holding Hannah back.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 22 April 2016 19:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

add this to the list of shows that i just keep watching out of some self imposed obligation to finish what i started while no longer getting enjoyment out of it.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

Ray rode by me slowly on a bike recently and if it's possible for a facial expression to say "Yeah, that's right, I'm Ray," that's exactly what it said.

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Friday, 22 April 2016 19:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

"there are no coffee shops without lids. they all have the lids off to the side somewhere."

i've absolutely been to coffee shops without lids

akm, Friday, 22 April 2016 20:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

Cafes Sans Frontiers

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Friday, 22 April 2016 20:32 (1 month ago) Permalink


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