GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

obv the Adam Sackler character is an unnerving basket case, but Driver is just the hottest escapee from the Ascent of Man diorama I've ever seen.

(I'm curious to see on the S3 DVDs how he went from a half-assed performance artist to a Shavian actor on Broadway in a year)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 May 2014 03:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

i am only a critic as it were but adam seems p hot to me too, also i caught myself making his frustration-noise the other day and couldn't tell if it was in male-monkey imitation or not

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 May 2014 04:51 (7 months ago) Permalink

(I'm curious to see on the S3 DVDs how he went from a half-assed performance artist to a Shavian actor on Broadway in a year)

He's absolutely terrible in the Major Barbara scenes. Unsure if it's intentional or not

Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 09:31 (7 months ago) Permalink

kid got good reviews doing Shaw in NY in 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Driver#Stage

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 May 2014 11:33 (7 months ago) Permalink

Adam is insanely hot imo.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Friday, 9 May 2014 14:46 (7 months ago) Permalink

dude has eclipsed Lisa Germano as most famous person from my hometown

the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 May 2014 15:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

He's bad in the Major Barbara scenes and it is intentional but it's not successfull. He doesn't pull it off but that's possibly the directors fault or just the fault of the filming schedule.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

These things take time.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:53 (7 months ago) Permalink

that article and every comment on it makes me deeply miserable and I have nothing else to say about it

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 16 May 2014 01:14 (7 months ago) Permalink

sorry for hurting Hurting

some dude, Friday, 16 May 2014 01:38 (7 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Just finally finished S3. I honestly feel like Andrew Rannellis might be the best thing about this show at this point.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Saturday, 12 July 2014 04:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

They really went all-in on the Hannah and Marnie being terrible people thing huh

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Saturday, 12 July 2014 05:04 (5 months ago) Permalink

i've had the last five episodes on my tivo since they aired; the season they all got jobs and started boring lives was the season they lost my attention

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 July 2014 05:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

I didn't know Andrew Rannells was in the original cast of The Book of Mormon; he's replacing NP Harris as Hedwig on Broadway in a few weeks. He massively irritates me.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 July 2014 08:51 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

thought s3 was good but reading this thread is absolutely the most frustrating experience.

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 1 September 2014 14:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

I didn't believe that. It made her decision too simple. Art or Mammon? Hmm, which shall it be? In reality people do both. I suppose I've never believed her memoir sounded good or necessary so I found her puritanical response especially hard to take.

― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:24 AM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not if they want to be any good at one of them

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 1 September 2014 14:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

Her NYer piece last week was alright if a bit by the numbers. Not sure what she expects us to take away from it. Seems a bit like writing as therapy. Which is fine, but keep it to yourself. When you share that kind of stuff, does it lose its efficacy?

calstars, Monday, 1 September 2014 14:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Oh no, oh no

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

on the one hand, the breitbart agenda here is pretty loathsome, but this exchange between the writer and a current Oberlin student is pretty fucked imo:

"What you're looking for," Ms. Hess informed me, "could create a conflict of interest on campus regarding sexual assault."
"I'm not sure what you mean."
"People here are less interested in justice for this kind of crime and more interested in helping the victim. I'm not psyched to help you do this."
"You can look at everything I've thus far written about this. We just want to know the truth."
"Asking whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant," Ms. Hess proclaimed. "It's just not important if they are telling the truth. If this person had wanted criminal justice they would have pursued it."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/12/03/investigation-lena-dunhams-republican-rapist-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny

it doesn't matter if she's telling the truth??? breitbart sucks and i can't stand all the conservative white men who get so riled up and angry by Dunham's existence, but "it doesn't matter if she's telling the truth"??????????

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 17:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

you're a moron

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yes i know i am, i'm not disputing anything in Dunham's book (which i loved), but doesn't it matter if someone is telling the truth about a rape? that's important right? i'm not being glib - the whole notion that this needed to be investigated by breitbart is completely ridiculous, but I am having a hard time wrapping my head around "It's just not important if they are telling the truth." i don't think she's lying, and all the discrepancies the writer points out are so flimsy, like "oh, he actually didn't have a mustache and purple pants" and "he graduated a semester later than Dunham said." it's an obnoxious hit piece. "Asking whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant" - i completely agree this is not something you ask a victim, but "It's just not important if they are telling the truth" - wtf? it isn't??

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

you, like breitbart.com, are misapprehending the context of that quote and also attaching importance to what this one person says for reasons that remain unclear to me, and also you are actually engaging at all with something posted to the website breitbart.com, hence you are a moron

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

jfc someone sent me the link because she knew i loved the book, and fwiw engaging an article or a website you vehemently disagree with does not a moron make. how did i "misapprehend" the context of the quote? i want to understand "Whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant," because i don't.

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

in the context of a breitbart reporter calling you up and digging for dirt?

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 18:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Why should anyone care what breitbart or ms. Hess have to say in this context, both are completely irrelevant.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

for starters, whenever you see url's containing breitbart.com, just assume whatever you are reading is being presented incorrectly, especially if the subject matter involves rape but also pretty much anything else. sincerely hope that is helpful.

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"Whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant" - does anyone agree with this? i'm speaking generally, not about LD - the quote seems insane to me and i wanted to see how ILX felt about it, if it's a common sentiment going over my head. and i don't mean asking/grilling a victim about the veracity of their claims - that is unacceptable unless abundant evidence suggests otherwise...but whether or not a rape occurred matters, yeah? am i just cherry-picking a wrongheaded line from a college student or is this more of an accepted notion than i thought? that's all. i'm genuinely confused by it and want to understand the context of the quote

for starters, whenever you see url's containing breitbart.com, just assume whatever you are reading is being presented incorrectly, especially if the subject matter involves rape but also pretty much anything else. sincerely hope that is helpful.

i read it with a pound of salt in my lap. the writer is garbage. but that quote threw me for a loop and i want to understand it, and if anyone agrees with it and why, so i can learn.

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Hi James O'Keefe

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Your attention is probably best directed elsewhere, rather than allowing yrself to be trolled by breitbart.com

Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

christ i was expecting to get chewed out but neither of y'all have explained why i'm wrong, which i almost surely am, and i want to understand the thinking behind that quote and if many people felt the same way. i don't think i'm cherry-picking - it's a bold statement. i'm just eager to see what other people think of it so i can learn. honest to god!

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

First of all: This transcript is based on memory and extensive notes taken during the call

do you really need more?

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Second, why does it matter at all what this person said? She is the current student station manager of a station where maybe Dunham's purported rapist worked years earlier, before Hess was there (and we don't necessarily know that Dunham hasn't changed details, e.g. to avoid a libel suit).

Third, she pretty clearly did not want to help breitbart.com with anything at all, so the conversation has to be read in that context.

Fourth, she not only has no connection to the case, but she has no connection to the campus's dealings with reported rapes. So, again, why does it matter what she says?

Fifth, I think it's likely that what she means is "truth would matter if there was actually a specific person's guilt or innocence or reputation at stake, but there is not."

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

In other words "why are you poking your nose around in this, asshole?"

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 19:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Oh wait, I know why it matters, because as a prominent Oberlin student she is part of the larger SJW conspiracy to cover up false rape accusations against people who don't exist.

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well, there is a person's guilt and innocence and reputation at stake. Dunham didn't use a pseudonym for the rapist and he was quickly found online. Side with and help the victim always, but to say "the truth is irrelevant" seems messed up to me, and if it doesn't to you, i want to know why because like i said, i am most likely wrong and ignorant. in context, she's (the student) not referring just to this case - she's talking about sexual assault and rape on campus in general. i'm not begrudging her or berating her, it doesn't even matter who said it, it's the quote itself that took me by surprise and i'm just seeing if anyone feels the same way, so i can understand it properly, if it has any merit at all, which is why i posted in here in the first place.

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

sorry for writing in circles - i want to learn about something that's totally out of my depth + experience because i am probably wrong, thats all

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It's a questionable quote from an untrustworthy source, it has zero importance or relevance.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"he" wasn't quickly found online, some guy named Barry who otherwise bore little resemblance to the person Dunham named (as Nolte himself is adamant to point out!) was found online

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

she's not talking about "sexual assault and rape on campus in general" she's talking about a case where no real person has been named and no charges have been sought, no suspects have even been brought in, no report has been made. The truth doesn't matter in the sense that nothing is at stake other than one man's quest to prove that Lena Dunham is a lying liar and in turn cast doubt on whether women actually get raped much.

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

at least that's what I can glean based on what sounds like a garbled quote from "memory" and "notes"

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i completely agree, and i'm still mystified why conservative men in particular LOVE TO HATE lena dunham, clearly because she's threatening to them in some way, which rules. sorry to harp on the quote, i didn't know if that was the consensus.

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

glad you "learned" something today but kinda rmde @ you right now

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

just an aside: LD wrote that her gynecologist used to pitch for the Mets, and no ex-Met pitchers are in that field.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lol

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I feel like there is a joke in there but not one I want to come up with let alone make

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe it was Doctor K

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:04 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It's Doc Gooden, but not that Doc Gooden.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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