GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

she's not talking about "sexual assault and rape on campus in general" she's talking about a case where no real person has been named and no charges have been sought, no suspects have even been brought in, no report has been made. The truth doesn't matter in the sense that nothing is at stake other than one man's quest to prove that Lena Dunham is a lying liar and in turn cast doubt on whether women actually get raped much.

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

at least that's what I can glean based on what sounds like a garbled quote from "memory" and "notes"

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

i completely agree, and i'm still mystified why conservative men in particular LOVE TO HATE lena dunham, clearly because she's threatening to them in some way, which rules. sorry to harp on the quote, i didn't know if that was the consensus.

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

glad you "learned" something today but kinda rmde @ you right now

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

just an aside: LD wrote that her gynecologist used to pitch for the Mets, and no ex-Met pitchers are in that field.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

I feel like there is a joke in there but not one I want to come up with let alone make

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 20:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Maybe it was Doctor K

18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's Doc Gooden, but not that Doc Gooden.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 December 2014 21:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

so Sunday then..

piscesx, Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

wow for a show that we manage to talk about so much it sure is boring isnt it

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Monday, 12 January 2015 04:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Marnie-fails always oddly gratifying

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I hate Marnie's band

so

fucking

much

Jennifer 8. ( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

I thought they were one of the better things in the episode. The ass eating was good and Elijah was good as always. Or maybe it's just the actor, he's always good isn't he?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

they are such a terrible folk duo, their attempts at "harmonizing" are laughable

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 18:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

"boring" otm

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

I read some ep summaries and it looks like my last watched episode is the end of season two.

Do I watch season three? Should I skip to new eps?

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

since this show is v plot-driven I would say no don't skip s3

for one thing, there is great Laird action in season 3

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

I don't even remember who Laird is! I'm sure it'll come back to me

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol I couldn't either, but then I looked it up and realized I remembered the character just not the name

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

You know what's even more boring than Girls? Togetherness, which I was looking forward to because Mark Duplass is awesome on The League.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:19 (1 week ago) Permalink

I need to try Looking just to see if HBO has hit a trifecta of "why would anyone watch these whiny people not be funny or interesting for 30-45 minutes?"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

I really liked the first episode of Togetherness, will totally watch

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

The sounds of Public Enemy?

bit of a singles monster (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

Night of the Living Basehead.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah was good as always.

His line about how he wouldn't have to see his ex if he didn't live in New York had me genuinely LOLLING

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 09:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

Same, but I'd started when said ex turned up at brunch wearing three tired New Jersey faghags.

camp event (suzy), Friday, 16 January 2015 10:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

The first episode seemed more like the last one of the series before.

Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 16 January 2015 11:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah is consistently the funniest lately. but this show isn't particularly interested in comedy.

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 January 2015 16:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

I like his character, he's very good at doing that thing where a person is obviously full of shit but kind of believes his own bullshit.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

ok the degree to which this writing workshop episode is incredibly awkward is sorta the narrow sweet spot where the show shines

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Monday, 19 January 2015 21:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

Elijah again w the only laughs

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 January 2015 23:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

I couldn't watch the writing workshop all the way through.

franny glasshole (franny glass), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:50 (6 days ago) Permalink

as many problems as i have with this show, there's a compilation of those and related scenes that should be shown to every young person interested in creative writing on every campus in america

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:53 (6 days ago) Permalink

ha, yes

Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 01:00 (6 days ago) Permalink

yes x1000 - I had a concentration in creative writing as an undergrad and fear of shit like that is one of the reasons I decided not to continue that path into grad school. That scene was so horribly awkward. Also Elijah is the best and I think I hate everyone who is not him too. Why am I still watching this?!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 13:18 (6 days ago) Permalink

god I haaaated Elijah when he was introduced but he has really grown on me.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:06 (6 days ago) Permalink

Like HPV.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:06 (6 days ago) Permalink

he's a stereotype/caricature - at the same time I totally had friends p much exactly like him at that age

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:25 (6 days ago) Permalink

I def feel like there are scenarios w/ certain friends and at certain events where I am an Elijah and it kind of horrifies me.

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:35 (6 days ago) Permalink

rly hope someone who's met me will rush in and vehemently deny this

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:38 (6 days ago) Permalink

i have a disproportionate number of friends who went to the Iowa Writer's Workshop, so i look forward to seeing this & hearing how they got it wrong.

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:44 (6 days ago) Permalink

from a friend on facebook: "The one thing they got right: Lena Dunham is definitely the type of person who would corner you in a booth at the Foxhead after workshop and demand to know why you hated her story so much."

virtuoso thigh slapper (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:57 (6 days ago) Permalink

I can't speak to it's realism, but this was def the most enjoyable episode in a long, long time

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:56 (6 days ago) Permalink

I liked the bat.

akm, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:24 (6 days ago) Permalink

another almost entirely laugh-free episode (until her exit from the convo at the end, that was lol)

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 January 2015 19:09 (3 hours ago) Permalink

sounds like I have two hours of unenjoyable television to get pressured into catching up on while I'm snowed in

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 26 January 2015 19:52 (2 hours ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 January 2015 22:21 (10 minutes ago) Permalink


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