GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

...and she appeared in a Scandal skit on that ep!

https://screen.yahoo.com/scandal-073806617.html

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 March 2015 21:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

during her book tour she mentioned being obsessed with shonda rhimes

diamonddave85​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 23 March 2015 21:36 (5 months ago) Permalink

liked the pregnancy/delivery stuff in the finale (guess they had to give Jessa something non-evil to do this season). Ray/Marnie thing still totally unbelievable to me, also lol @Pfork and Brooklyn Vegan et al being into Marnie's sub-Lilith Fair crapola

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2015 22:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

What an odd aimless grim boring season.

nashwan, Monday, 23 March 2015 22:52 (5 months ago) Permalink

yeah it just felt really sloppy. also lol @ "6 months later" title card that is some lazy shit

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2015 22:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

what made the teacher dude fall for Hannah in the end? guess we'll never know

nashwan, Monday, 23 March 2015 23:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

Yeah jeez that went by fast and nothing happened, how is it over already?

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 23 March 2015 23:20 (5 months ago) Permalink

cannot imagine anything worse in life than jessa as a therapist

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 01:51 (5 months ago) Permalink

wtf I enjoyed the hell out of this season, it leaned hard on the funny, which it is good at

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 01:52 (5 months ago) Permalink

i liked the hannah/adam scene, and i thought this season was kinda patchy but ok

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 01:56 (5 months ago) Permalink

The series overall was mundane yet still unbelivable. I have no idea why I'm watching this.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:16 (5 months ago) Permalink

guys is this ok i don't think so? http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/03/30/dog-or-jewish-boyfriend-a-quiz

creaks, whines and trife (s.clover), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 04:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

I am gonna say no

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 04:16 (5 months ago) Permalink

oh, Lena.

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 04:38 (5 months ago) Permalink

"He doesn't tip"?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:07 (5 months ago) Permalink

(grimace)

drash, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:16 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm honestly more annoyed at the New Yorker for thinking it was worth printing than Dunham for writing it

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:26 (5 months ago) Permalink

Loved the last few episodes. Some corny business in the finale (cue miracle of childbirth, earnest montage music) but worth it to finally move the characters forward and make even Jessa sympathetic. They've driven the "these people are terrible" approach into the ground so I can forgive a little sentimentality. Favourite bit was the woman who offers Shosh the Tokyo job. Hai!

Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 12:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

She was GREAT!!!! Aidy Bryant is a godsend and needs to be everywhere all of the time.

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 12:49 (5 months ago) Permalink

"She's bipolar so between you and me we're going to fire her as soon as she hits her next manic upswing."

Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:09 (5 months ago) Permalink

9. This is because he comes from a culture in which mothers focus every ounce of their attention on their offspring and don’t acknowledge their own need for independence as women. They are sucked dry by their children, who ultimately leave them as soon as they find suitable mates.

uh

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:39 (5 months ago) Permalink

well now I am pissed off

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:44 (5 months ago) Permalink

like it's gross enough to compare your boyfriend to a dog idk why you gotta throw "Jewish" in there except to make some anti-semitic joeks about being cheap/mama's boy etc

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

I like this show but LD seems dumb as shit tbh

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

Like a genuinely dense and stupid person

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

i basically assume everything she says/does at this pt is said/done to elicit some kind of dramatic reaction which is unfortunate bc i think it is a lazy approach to creating art and it devalues her work generally

head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:35 (5 months ago) Permalink

saying this w the whole memoir controversy in mind.

head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

Not gonna approve of what she said, but isn't she also Jewish?

camp event (suzy), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:55 (5 months ago) Permalink

Dunham has described herself as feeling "very culturally Jewish, although that's the biggest cliché for a Jewish woman to say”; her father is Protestant, and her mother is Jewish.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:56 (5 months ago) Permalink

Really liked the finale, even the maudlin shit with Ray and Marnie, this show is solid pretty much any time it's not the Lena Dunham Hour as it turns out.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

Lotta good moments in the finale, good balance of 'lol these ppl are awful' and emotional stuff that actually worked. Cut to 6 months later too abrupt.

Fave bit was Shosh saying "--in Japan!" and wiggling her chopsticks. Shosh wins this season overall.

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:27 (5 months ago) Permalink

Do I want to see s4

deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 08:11 (4 months ago) Permalink

Yes

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 10:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

no

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 15:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

yes

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 16:40 (4 months ago) Permalink

No

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:31 (4 months ago) Permalink

Maybe

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 21:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

if there's another season of this show I ain't watchin it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 22:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

How abt just watch a few episodes and then decide

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 9 April 2015 03:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

Even with all my complaining, I'm still gonna watch. It's still sporadically very funny.

schwantz, Thursday, 9 April 2015 03:45 (4 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"TMI is such an outdated concept. There's no such thing as too much information. This is the information age!"

Episode 2 of this season was really interesting. The radical transparency/online exhibitionism Hannah champions feels like it is already outdated. People's online personae are so polished and cultivated now. Our discourse, too, doesn't feel freewheeling of anarchic, there is a real cost to saying the wrong thing. I think it was different around the end of the last decade. Not everywhere, but in the aggregate.

Treeship, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:23 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Iowa students were sancimonious and annoying. Hannah is different: she is narcissistic and annoying. She has adopted some of their language and positions herself as an ally/activist and definitely believes in those causes but still, she is not one of them. It's not so much about actual positions as this insider/outsider thing, she signals all the time that she has these different values, finds pleasure in transgression rather than censure. I feel like Lena Dunham did a great job depicting these highly relevant antinomies in this episode

Treeship, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 16:28 (3 months ago) Permalink

Bristol on Lena

To save you the trouble, here's the most of the post...

Remember the liberal media outrage?
Oh that’s right. It didn’t happen. The liberal media darling Dunham was praised for her “honest and witty” book.
The double standards make me sick. Josh Duggar touched a sleeping girls breast – a terrible thing to go. But now their ENTIRE family is punished and their hit show is canceled? He’s labeled as a pedophile? His family is crucified!
Liberals in today’s media can do no wrong, while conservatives can do no right.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

There's probably a better place for this, but this group interview with Dunham, Amy Shumer, Tracee Ellis-Ross, Gina Rodriguez, Ellie Kemper and Kate McKinnon is very interesting
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lena-dunham-amy-schumer-comedy-797861

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

god when will Amy Schumer's moment be over

Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

she's having an amazing season right now but i don't wanna have this argument again

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

Remember the liberal media outrage?

I remember her being shredded on Twitter. Does that count?

Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:08 (2 months ago) Permalink

12 Angry Men Inside Amy Schumer maybe the single greatest episode of TV this year

some dude, Friday, 5 June 2015 18:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

not trying to be contrary, but i thought that was the worst episode of the season for her!

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:22 (2 months ago) Permalink


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