WTF is wrong with me. There are two, count em TWO Radiohead related events in London tonight, and I'm not going to either one of them.
I think The Fandom has done in my fandom. I hate that.
― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 March 2012 11:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Arseholes have charged me for two pairs of tickets with the same names on. What do you reckon are my chances of being able to get my friends in if their names aren't on the tickets? Bearing in mind this is the O2.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 March 2012 11:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
I feel that I am completely indifferent about a Radiohead album release now.
"In Rainbows" was a minor step in the right direction, then last year's release was their worst ever. Frankly, I don't care anymore. Not until they finally make a proper followup to "OK Computer", but they seem to have left that up to Pineapple Tree and Elbow.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm assuming you mean Porcupine Tree lol
Actually you're pretty OTM about them, although I think Steven Wilson's two solo albums (which are both excellent) are closer to OK Computer than PT are.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
You two are definitely on the wrong thread. I mean, I have my doubts that DC might be a fangirl, but I think he's got it in him, but Geir has never and will never be a fangirl.
I am boycotting the O2 Centre forever so I have no idea how fascist bastardy the place is, but the tour seems to have had its share of ticketing problems.
Anyway. Tonight. I'm definitely not going to Penderecki, no matter how much the Barbican stalks me about it. (Sorry, I used up this month's budget for contemporary classical on the Nico Muhly/O-Palz thing, which actually I think I probably enjoyed more than I'd enjoy Penderecki in any format.)
I just wish I could stop being a mope about the Stanley Donwood thing tonight. Like, I do actually want that book (won't grumble about him biting my style, honest) but I don't know that I can deal with a ~signing~ and all that and there's all this gossip about ~who will turn up where~ because apparently TY often goes to his shows, but that's a reason that I would NOT go because the idea of running into him in the flesh in a little bookshop in Notting Hell is, well, ARGH so I should just order the book off the website and be done with it. But I feel stupid for feeling that way.
Someone post a picture of the red trousers so I feel better.
― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^^short dude with boner-pants complex.
― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Are those 501s?
I have a pair.
― Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't know what they are but I LOVE it every time he wears them.
I mean, there were those 501s they all got on an early Japanese tour that they wore so tight that fangirls have known ever since who packs on which side (except for Ed, oddly, who got cut off by a page crease) but, erm, even those were not as, erm... revealing as those red trousers.
Do you understand now, the excitement when they resurfaced?
― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
No, I mean Pineapple Thief.
Porcupine Tree aren't that Radiohead influenced. Pineapple Thief are sort of a cross-inbetween Porcupine Tree and Radiohead, actually. :)
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
haircut rundown justifies the thread
― internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
I totally missed a really key and important stage!
Kid A - brushed-forward Caesar crop
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
(I am slightly embarrassed to confess, I don't actually hate Popcorn Superhet Receiver. I thought it was going to be awful artwank, but it sounds like the weird tapes that HSA's sound artist friends used to make. I don't like having to re-evaluate my dismissal of artists like this.)
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
You should listen to 48 Responses to Polymorphia, I think you'd be surprised.
― Melissa W, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
But but but I hate Penderercki so why would I willingly listen to music that was a response to one of his pieces?
I think I'm too attached to the idea of hating that I don't want to have to change my mind any more.
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Luckily I quite enjoy feeling guilty"
(Are you sure about that not-being-Catholic thing, Jonny?)
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
48 Responses to Polymorphia honestly sounds almost nothing like Polymorphia. Just listen!
― Melissa W, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am, I am!
And fuckinell... I'm utterly gutted. I ... I ...
((I like this.))
Pacay Tree is absolutely awesome.
I hate that I like this.
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
You shouldn't though! It's a genuinely great piece.
― Melissa W, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's like Jonny Greenwood did to Penderecki what Radiohead did to the fringes of electronic dance music. He cleaned all the rough edges off, gave it a pop sensibility and a good choon, and made it listenable.
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think the interesting thing about it is that in the process he created something that's quite unique? I listen to a lot Penderecki & friends and a lot of classical music in general and there really isn't anyone else who's carved out this weird space between Polymorphia and something far more lush and Romantic.
― Melissa W, Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is where I just don't have enough knowledge of classical music (Romantic era or contemporary) to respond in any kind of meaningful way except "I like the way it sounds." He occasionally touches on that terrifying atonal noize that Penderecki excels at bringing, but he seems to fill in around the edges with these soft, fluttering, harmonious bits. That there are passages of reassuring beauty, as opposed to Penderecki's full on DOOM DOOM EVERYTHING IS TERRIFYING all bold all caps sans serif text. Jonny's music is a serif font.
Oh god this makes no sense at all to anyone but me.
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Things Radiohead fans say: "Dear Jonny Greenwood, your compositions are in a serif font."
SHOOT ME. NOW.
― Masonic Boom, Saturday, 24 March 2012 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
You should listen to Doghouse. I think it's my favorite piece by him by far.
― Melissa W, Monday, 26 March 2012 00:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is it anything like "In A Doghouse"? Otherwise I'm not having it.
Anyway, stop trying to make me listen to Greenwood. You know I'm a Yorkist. I feel all disloyal. I might have to go and sack St Albans.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 26 March 2012 08:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and I'm going to answer here to that artsdesk review that you posted on The Other Place.
I mean, the reviewer played his cards in the first paragraph of the piece - whenever anyone says "I like my genre X x-ish and my genre Y y-ish and NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET" you know you are in the presence of someone so small minded that they probably also say things like "I don't know much about art but I know what I like" which means it's perfectly OK to just go ahead and not read the rest of the review.
I find theartsdesk often baffling because they have one or two really good critics/writers, and then seem to make up the rest of the team with people who stubbornly fold their arms across their chest and refuse to have their preconceptions challenged - and the editorial team goes for it because they know that nothing brings the pageviews like challops.
We get it! You don't like synthesis, homage or genre-fusion. We got it from the first paragraph. We continued to get it over the pageview-grabbing two-page split to double advertising revenue on what was a really boring and tedious 1-note review. And we continue to get it. Now fuck off back to Covent Garden you Britney-loving rebel you.
Sorry I couldn't have responded in The Other Place. I still feel awkward and unhappy about how things went down over there.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 26 March 2012 09:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
smdh at that Arts Desk critic. You're right - the first paragraph makes the rest of the review redundant.
It's also a very common anti-middlebrow pose dressed up as if it were iconoclasm. Like critics who say they only like Iranian arthouse and Transformers 3 and nothing in between.
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Monday, 26 March 2012 10:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
Have to say that I thoroughly agree with both MB and DL here. And also with Owen Pallett on another thread who said that the Worst 200 Songs Project was redolent of the kind of book-burning “THIS IS SHIT” English mentality that made him sick. It really gets my goat too (but then I’m not an Englishman).
You see it all over the place; Ian Martin’s Guardian column today, the Popdose website (don’t waste your time; I look at these things so you don’t have to), too many other places – the underlying message being “Don’t bother with that awful new music that is so difficult to listen to, stick with what you know, let’s all like the same things and that will simplify our demographic reach, make our lives easier.”
Fair enough, Mr Petridis tries to readdress this issue in today’s edition (with the substantial aid of his daughter). The difference being that when young Richard Williams was making his way as a music writer in the late sixties, he already knew about Ligeti and Stockhausen, but I recognise that these are different times.
But when you have someone say, in today’s paper, that “we want to turn our readers into a resource,” then it’s a revolver-reaching-for situation, I’m afraid.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 26 March 2012 13:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sorry MB, I didn't notice this was your thread, feel free to delete and I'll go off and have a moan elsewhere
*exits sheepishly, stage left*
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 26 March 2012 13:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
The only ownership that I assert over this thread is that it is specifically ~for fangirling~ - i.e. one should only post on it if one is actually a fangirl or else if one is prepared to put up with, support, condone or otherwise just not-be-awful-and-negative-about fangirling as a mentality. Anyone who is prepared to do that, is welcome. Anyone who isn't won't be deleted, they'll just be squealed at, loudly, until they go away. ;-)
But yeah, the whole schtick of that article was just so distasteful. In point of fact, what it screamed was I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ART, BUT I KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!
Like, I understand the appeal of hating. It's very comforting, in a way. I know I do it myself, that there are artists I just *take against* and it becomes almost part of my identity that I hate Artist X. Because it's easier to establish one's identity in opposition to something, rather than by positive qualities. Maybe also lazier, and avoids actually ever putting oneself out there emotionally by committing to something as ~uncool~ as love. Because loving something or someone, really renders one quite vulnerable.
But, for me, Hating An Artist is kind of an active process, it's something I'm often testing. Like, I will, every year or so, go and listen to artists I actively hate, to test myself, to test my preconceptions. Sometimes I listen to something I hate for about 30 seconds, and go "yup, so relieved, still hate that" and sometimes it will blindside me and take me by surprise and I'll have to evaluate, has this artist changed, or have my tastes changed, and it's this process of give and take, defining and redefining boundaries. (Relieved I still don't like Penderecki, but have had to adjust my opinions on Autechre and Neil Young in the past few years after being ambushed by unexpected emotion.)
But to go to a show by an artist you know in advance you hate, you have already decided to hate, and then just spend the whole article just missing the point of what other people actually *like* about said artist. There's just something so... *lazy* about that.
And I think DL is right about that, that it's kneejerk anti-middlebrow. That it's actually been established and accepted that to enjoy only highbrow material is limiting, snobby and perhaps even vaguely classist. But if you add in "oh, but I also like complete trash, look at how much I'm enjoying this lowbrow art (with a side order of condescension and lashings of irony)" then somehow that balances it out? No it doesn't! That's not Poptimism, that's inverse snobbery.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 26 March 2012 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
hahahah OK, I guess I don't have a choice in this Dogwood matter.
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Monday, 26 March 2012 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just wanted to say...
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Red trousers. Sigh.
^^^^what's so tantalising is that my father is also a photographer for this paper. If only he could have got the passes instead.
(hey, Thom and my dad could have exchanged ponytail tips.)
― Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 13 April 2012 08:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Melissa W, Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
OK, I hate it, hate it, hate it, when people do this about women, and I'm well aware of how offensive I'm about to be, and yet, I cannot stop myself from shouting out...
JESUS CHRIST THOM YORKE EAT A SANDWICH.
I miss your belly. Your belly was super cute. Please grow it back for me? I will force feed you Cornish blue cheese until you comply.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
wow, he looks really rough.
― crüt, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
<img src="http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0dij1VUmo1robhpjo1_1280.jpg"><img src="http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1scp3ihzY1qa641uo1_1280.jpg">
Just a weird angle on his face in the other one.
― Melissa W, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Melissa W, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Am I gonna be thrown out of the Thomosexuals if I admit I'm not crazy about the stuff he does with Modeselektor? (Though I'm not actually sure I like Modeselektor that much without Apparat to pretty them up.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 08:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I love Shipwreck, but This and The White Flash are a bit on the dull side. I like the Burial/Four Tet singles with Thom from last year a lot more.
― Melissa W, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Too much creaky voice on Shipwreck.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
Let's just bump this thread every time Thom exposes his abdomen.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 07:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
(I mean we could talk about Nigel's and Thom's clicky clacky bleepbloopfest, too, but it's still doing my head in.)
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 07:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Knowing that shot was from the LA DJ MOCA thing they did, this just comes to mind:
And if the world does turnAnd if London burns I'll be standing on the beach with my guitarI wanna be in a band when I get to heavenAnyone can play guitarAnd they won't be a nothing anymoreGrow my hair, grow my hairI am Jim Morrison
Grow my hair, grow my hairI am Jim Morrison
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 April 2012 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
At least his hair now is all his own. Unlike when he wrote those lyrics.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 13:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wonder if some of those AFP tracks are remixes rather than the eventual album tracks. The first one sounds like proper Thom, but the rest sound a lot like they've been reworked by others.
― Melissa W, Sunday, 29 April 2012 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was under the impression that they were live remixing on the fly? (Though that's only based on listening, it's hard to tell if Thom is actually doing something or just dancing and checking twitter in the videos.)
I hope that they're not changed too much from the album versions as I like the clicky bleepbloops.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
(All these DJ-ing videos that keep popping up do amuse me, though, to find out that for all Thom's talk of DJing and DJ culture, he can't actually beatmatch to save his life.)
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Could be. It just struck me how untouched that first track sounded compared to the others.
― Melissa W, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Think the first track is just a song-y bone to throw the ateasers howling for "proper songs" and "less bleeps and bloops" before the album jumps off into the pure "electronic dance music" album he keeps telling people he's going to release.
I want the album to be 12 versions of the long version of Twist just to piss people off, but I would.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
So this summer, Mr Yorke will be DJ-ing RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD from where I used to live.
Real life is no fair
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 1 June 2012 07:00 (3 years ago) Permalink