I think what gives Polow the edge with this stuff is how heavy (almost clunky) his beats are in spite of swaddling them in tearjerking synth cumulus. It makes it all very much more emotional, like, the stakes become really high or something! Who would have thought "Get Up" would sound so wracked and bittersweet (big kudos to Ciara here too, she sounds great)? Distant distant relative of the old Trackmasters remixes I guess, although it's not just the name that makes me think of Paul Poli as well.
(conversely, the precise problem with a lot of the candyfluff timbaland/tim & bob style stuff is that the stakes don't seem high enough, the utopian glint of the music and the vocals (cos they're all perfect loverboy vocals) feels too easily attained and thus not worth much. Sometimes you gotta work hard for it. Interesting then to work out why, of the recent stuff, what does work works - "Rearview (Ridin)" is slow and dark in the vein of "Tell Me", but i have no idea with Lloyd's "You", it's just too too good I guess)
― Tim F, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
Alright, more thoughts on "Wonder Woman" vs "Anonymous".
I think "Wonder Woman" has what you're talking about, Tim. It's very dark and unhappy-sounding. Forboding, almost, a bit less slick than the other (more popular) recent Timbo+R&B dude singles of late. Trey completely tries to oversell it; there's no reason "Wonder Woman" should be menacing, but he has to bring out this unnecessarily masculine tone (which surprised me. The stuff I'd heard from him before had him sounding very thin) that doesn't really fit the song. But that actually ends up working in his favor, as the voice ends up adding to the general darkness, and thus ups the stakes.
"Anonymous" on the other hand, has Valentino acting like a big, giant puss, and Timbo's production does nothing to toughen him up. Maybe, unlike Trey, Bobby has nothing to react against, no instigator to tell him to be a man, no stakes. Also, no tune, but that's a seperate problem.
Moving along, "Get Up" remix pwns all, we hold these truths to be self-evident, etc.
And WTF is this? Some song that jacks "Stand By Me" and replaces Ben E. King with some Fakon dude, (he even mentions that he went to jail!) who sounds like he's just singing through his nose to sound African or whatever, singing the word "suicidal" over and over. Oh, fuck! You who he sounds like? The "Fuck You, I Don't Want You Back" guy. Disgusting. Anyway, this is easily the worst thing on the radio right now.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 03:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
You got me suicidal... suicidal... SUICIDALLLLLL
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 05:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
ok so i don't really have anything to say, or rather can be bovd to think anything thru, it's just that all the other threads on this fuckass board make my eyes bleed. someone talk.
eamon! hating on eamon is 4bidden, for "i love them hoes" is an alltime classic. it takes too much effort to hate on sean kingston - this is how you know you love it really, you slags.
(i seriously didnt think the world could manage a more disgusting white dude than scotty storch, but jr rotem take a bow! also at least with storch you feel he could make a good beat if he wanted to)
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 10:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
well done lance bass for making a new career for himself as part of the runners though.
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 10:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
is it just 'so sick' you hate rtc, or 'hey hey hey' as well?
― lex pretend, Monday, 4 June 2007 10:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
well first of all i should say, people always be taking my hate so literal. there are only three songs i definitely, unquestionably HAAAATE this year and they are: 'give it to me', 'girlfriend', and 'we taking over'. and mainly i say that cos those are songs that people really really like, so an opinion is all too necessary. everything else is not worth the effort to feel strongly about and so therefore are also up 4 grabs for future changing of mind. they also come in handy for poking fun at other people as and when, obv.
sooo anyway let's listen to natasha's oeuvre again. not like i'm gonna hear them on the radio or anything. 'so sick', here we go
beat not bad in itself, but a bit passe these days. needs someone exciti- guhhhh hello the clipse. wack by default. and now AHHH LORD WHAT A HIDEOUS SOUND NATASHA MAKES. chorus is ok tho, and i like the scratches and why-why-why stutters, and the smooth breakdown - maximal nods making the minimal more severe. so it seems to have a certitide that it knows what its doing, yet not enough so that you find out by yrself like kelly r's 'like this'. this is a writer's record, nonexistent without some sort of championing, a revealing. this is what's playing when nails are getting did at the critical salon. harsh right?
'hey hey hey' i've come to ummm not like, but lets say value for its blahzay inconsequential vibe - not many tunes around have this as standard. perhaps this is it being bubblegum, or whatever.
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 11:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
quickly re the pixelcloudz debate above (good work all) - the idea of unconvincing loverboys sounds about right to me, but perhaps also what this is about is a clash of new and old modes of male rnb posturing; the genius of polow's 'get up' mix lies maybe not in the bigness of the beat (pillow the don) but in one simple line: "FREAK ME BABY", instantly transporting you to the 90s, when sexy was just sex and a million 4fuckingreal bad boys in the vein of dru hill, jodeci, blackstreet prowled the earth straining to tell you just that. ie when things were at stake!
so yeah 'wonder woman' does have something of that, though the glower happens everywhere but in the gimmick wonky evil sound bit; it's in the lowslung motorbiker guitar ('if yr girl only knew' steez), and especially in the staccato ice shard chorus, all mean and sharp, morphing soft-serve trey into a new sisqo - this oughtve been his comeback single, or ginuwine's, but really i guess theyre too old and done to seduce like young uns again. who else then is a bad enough dude to save male rnb? ne-yo's too insecure, usher's marrying his mother apparently, timberlake nahhhh, while all these other new dudes are candyfloss. really as great as lloyd's been this year it's still kinda a shame he had to lose that cold gangsta cherub persona along the way, cos even tho he remains a funny looking little bugger he's all i can think of. DEEP ON A CREEP FIFTY SONGS TUCKED UNDER THE um.... somethiiiing
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 12:42 (5 years ago) Permalink
(srsly what is lloyd saying there, chrome, brome? the lyric sites say 'prone' but then again they also say "Stay down for whatever forever hustle with my mystic hoes"!! mystic hoes!!!!!)
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 12:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
My unflattering comparison for Sean Kingston was a horrific amalgam of T-Pain and the guy from Gym Class Heroes, but you're right, Eamon kinda fits too.
No idea what Lloyd's saying on "Forever" but I love that song. 50 songs tucked under the pwn?
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 4 June 2007 13:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
Hello, Sean Kingston. I am The Reverend, your mortal enemy. I will not rest until you are lying face down in a pool of your own blood. Be warned.
You make me homicidal, homicidal, homicidal.....
― The Reverend, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
The only possible enjoyment I think I could derive from that song is if someone, urged by the many repetitions of the word "suicidal", actually did commit suicide and Sean Kingston gets sued for every last penny he makes off this bullshit, but that enjoyment would still be weighed down by the knowledge that someone died. Unless, of course, that person was me, which I really wouldn't rule out at all. Worst single of the decade is probably a bit hyperbolic, so I'll just settle for worst of '07.
― The Reverend, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:27 (5 years ago) Permalink
My new band name.
― Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
rtc, now that you mention it, "Wonder Woman" does sound a lot like a Ginuwine song. I wish they (Ginuwine/Timbaland) would collaborate again, most of these random Omarion/Trey Songz/Valentino one-shots feel like Gin Lumpkin stand-inism.
Natasha is atrocious. If your going to squeak, please at least squeak in multiple notes, kthxbye.
Lloyd... I really like "Get It Shawty", hated "Southside", and don't care about "You" either way. Is it worth my time tracking down more of his stuff?
― The Reverend, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
well whatever he's actually saying i'd always assumed lloyd was basically singing about erm, having 50 songs available to listen to when he's in his car? but now i think about it, 50 songs?! that's only like a 4cd changer dude. oh well.
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
just remembered this one tune for u&k submittal to pixelcloudz canon; i taped it off rashad morgan's myspace last year - he's signed to ti's label, and is sorta like the rnb variation of him in the same way young dro is the big bouncy miu miu to ti's prada (haha christ) - and it's the epitome of the 90s sly slowjam realness i mightve been trying to talk about. the production almost reminds me of king britt or something! - but in any case at least wait for the totally wicked jerky breakdown at the end. google says it was a minor detroit radio hit before he broke big with the much nastier but also quite hypnotic 'tell em what they wanna hear'. check it:
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 June 2007 14:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
considering that R. Kelly is the first/only 2007 R&B album I've bought (although I'll get Amerie whenever it drops stateside), I should probably ask what I've been missing. should I be looking into the Lloyd or Bobby V. or Rhianna or Tank or Ne-Yo or Musiq or Sunshine Anderson even if I didn't like the singles from any of those albums?
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
not the rihanna.
every lloyd song i've heard off street love begins by underwhelming me for approx 2 minutes, and then unexpectedly seducing me by the close - and then i listen to it again and pay more attn from the start, and it's still underwhelming-then-seducing! almost like the real structure is gradual build to a pretty (pixelcloudy!) intensity.
apart from 'get it shawty' which is one of the most amazing things i've heard this year. funny how the missy verse which sounded so rote on 'i'm really hot' works so well on it.
i will still defend natasha, i know she is a brat who is being obnoxiously squeaky just cos she can but it's not a million miles from lil' mama's galumphing one-cadence rap, and i find natasha herself immensely endearing, and her weird weird snaky dancing very riveting.
― lex pretend, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
really feeling keyshia cole's 'let it go'
― lex pretend, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
RTC, is "We Taking Over" even worth hating on, really?
It's kind of funny how Akon is drafted in for such a dread-laden (or "dread-laden") sub-Wyclef chorus. It's like
"You know I'm from Africa, right?"
"Is that one or two islands over from Jamaica?"
― Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, he is totally doing the Wyclef howl, there, but the song has grown on me.
― The Reverend, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
My enjoyment of "We Takin' Over" is completely in spite of Akon's presence (I usualy don't mind him, but that chorus really is awful). And it's not even so much anyone's verses that are great as it is what the beat does underneath them, the bells that come in during Rick Ross's verse, the dramatic beat drop and build up from Baby to Wayne, etc. I didn't like a whole lot of the TimbaHandz hits, but based on that song I'm convinced that Danja is brilliant on his own.
― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
Rihanna's album is totally worth it...very little filler and lots of potential singles. I'm excited to pick up a physical copy tomorrow.
Speaking of, t/s: Umbrella with Lil Mama vs. Umbrella with Jay-Z vs. Umbrella - on piano
(ok, the latter doesn't have much of a chance, but it really shows how beautiful the song itself is)
― Tape Store, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
Re "We Taking Over": I do like the choirs in the background. But that's mainly because choirs in the background is one of those never-fail "break glass in case of emergency" kind of tricks. Wayne's verse is good too.
― Tim F, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
i had no idea 'we taking over' was hated on so.
― lex pretend, Monday, 4 June 2007 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't hate it. It didn't strike me as the kind of track one would have strong feelings about.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
The pedant in me wants to point out that W. Jean is Haitian, not Jamaican.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
(One island closer.)
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I know, that was kinda my point!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
that guy doing umbrella on piano is great... i really like umbrella now. not sure why i didnt like it before. its great. i hope the rest of the album is as good.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
not sure whats wrong with me listening to so much R&B again but what is ne-yos album like? im quite into because of you.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
It's like the first one, except that the last three songs suck and there aren't any singles on par with "So Sick" or "Sexy Love". It's definitely worth a listen but probably not worth your $15.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
'we taking over' is one of the big, critically acclaimed radio hits of 2007. and its beat annoys the living shit out of me, nonwithstanding any uninteresting raps, and like al says the effort thats gone into it. i realise that it's an unremarkable song in the greater scheme of things, and that i'm hardly nipping any brewing rap movements in the bud by registering my disdain, but still. hell yeah it's worth it.
despite him ruining elephant man's first badboy single, i still can't damn wyclef completely however much i wanna, cos that 'you know what it is' of ti's is apparently my favourite rap tune of the year. dont ask me how! all i know is it's just my crack right now, way more than anything off king.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Juicy Fruit" with just a little "Don't Stop the Music"? Somehow the whole is slightly lesser than the sum of the parts (either that, or I was not in the right mood when I first heard it).
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
Fuck what I just said.
Keyshia could be Alisa Peoples' daughter.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
should I be looking into the Lloyd or Bobby V. or Rhianna or Tank or Ne-Yo or Musiq or Sunshine Anderson even if I didn't like the singles from any of those albums?
Knowing what I know of you? No.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
ok, but does that mean you don't like any of those albums or that you'd imagine I wouldn't?
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
You hate everything, obv.
The "We Taking Over" beat annoyed me at first, too, but I've made peace with it. I still only think the song is alright, though.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
The latter, Al.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 00:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Actually, if you don't like "Umbrella," I retract my Rihanna statement.
― Tape Store, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 00:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha i still can't decide if andy's being genuinely helpful or if he's taking a shot. i was looking to WADE IN.
... a lumidee single w/ pitbull on the old bubble up riddim? what year is this again?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 June 2007 15:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ne-Yo's album got some seriously hyperbolic love on Popmatters today: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/38886/ne-yo-because-of-you/
― matt2, Thursday, 7 June 2007 15:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha i still can't decide if andy's being genuinely helpful or if he's taking a shot.
No shot taking involved!
― Andy K, Thursday, 7 June 2007 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm trying to wrap my head around the ideas that a) In My Own Words is anything resembling mediocre, and b) that Because of You is an improvement upon it of any sorts, and I'm not having any success at it.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 7 June 2007 15:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
I haven't played Because of You since I reviewed it and am hard-pressed to name a single song beyond the near-genius title track, "Sex With My Ex," and the J-Hud duet.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 7 June 2007 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah, serious wtf. I wasn't crazy about In My Own Words but it had solid singles and a couple deep cuts I loved. this new one, I really can't be motivated to check out, "Do You" sounds like a complete dud of a single.
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 7 June 2007 16:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
that's exactly how I feel about In My Own Words.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 7 June 2007 16:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
i never noticed before, but ne-yo's middle name is deliciously close to being 'chimera'.
(also his first name is nearly 'schaeffer', like the pen manufacturing company. and no one's surname is really smith. pen illusion everyman? he's playing with us, i call bullshit!)
anyway i was just about to say that soto's review was the one i felt closest to, and there he is. what might also be an issue with its various positive receptions is perhaps, how shall i put this, a desire to make some sort of stand for the basic elements of good songwriting in the face of cheap chart bauble pleasures. so, a lot of fetishizing of things like the album's 'solidity' and stuff. maybe i'm overdetermining. in any case yeah, i still think the first is lighter, fresher, younger, much more of its own thing than this one, which seems so thick with parody; the more he parodies others the more he parodies himself.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 June 2007 16:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
I fetishized the first album for those reasons of good songwriting and whatever (and still do), but the material was much better. This one isn't worth fetishizing.
― The Reverend, Friday, 8 June 2007 03:42 (5 years ago) Permalink
I thought "Do You" was bad but Ne-Yo really sinks to a new low here.
― danzig, Sunday, 10 June 2007 21:46 (5 years ago) Permalink