Nina Kraviz - Nina Kraviz [2012]

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Its some kinda turbo bland stealth tech house vibe washing over ealy 2012 like a brown turd fog.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Every time Jimi references DFA in these discussions his point loses a bit more credibility.

Surely the default negative comparison point for dark, smoky repetitive pre-and-post minimal techo-house is Poker Flat (though nb. I love loads and loads of Poker Flat).

And this does sound like an album that might have been released on Poker Flat literally at any time between 2001 and 2011.

Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

well dfa is the only indie house explosion I can remember I'm not that old.

shitty live-ish drums on some kinda techy disco house grid with some kinda deep house vibes.

+vaugly loose analouge synth work... its all there DFA is all over this shit.

depressing old man indie house

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like DFA and I like this and this sounds nothing like DFA.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

And I don't see what this has anything to do with indie or live drums or disco house.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

or old men

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is just grid locked DFA Papa house.

DFA is THE indie dance label of ye olde times.

This shit has live sounding drums locked to a house grid.

+I keep seeing Nina/Blondes/Talabot as the only dance album on indie forums this year.

They're the dad house indie house tracks of the year so far.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

u make no sense

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jimi, you tell me some albums from indie artists that have crossed over to dance forums so I can come vomit on them, plz.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

jimi, step your guilt by association game up, please

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Beach House

I don't mind a cross over.

It's just that this stuff is kinda shit/boring.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

jimi i love u but i don't hear anything the tiniest bit live-sounding about these drums, and it doesn't read as DFA-ish at all to me. i hear it as analog-ish straight-up house (and i don't have the dance music background to be able to really distinguish between different genres of house, but i want to say it sounds like 'classic' or 'regular' house, whether that means 'deep' or Detroit techno or whatever), and the vocals are the one thing giving it some identity and personality (and that's not a diss, necessarily).

40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jimi would you like to borrow a shovel to save some time.

Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

jimi i love u but you're bringin me down

its all sampled kits clipped from dads drums and clicked to a grid

to make it sound generic in that dfa kinda way.

the early dfa comps went right into this sound: /

Nina just sounds like a minimal dub version of that.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like drum machines to me

and huge lols at dissing something by comparing it to "casual friday"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

(which nothing on this sounds anything like)

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

to make it sound generic in that dfa kinda way.

If it's generic, how can you assign any of its characteristics to a source?

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did shovel do the drums for DFA?

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

at this point, i'm just going to sit back and commend your trolling.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

The only trolling here is generic house like Nina the Blondes & Talabot.

jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOL @ this sounding remotely like black leotard front. that would be AMAZING but unfortunately it is not true

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

This reminds me a bit of Blackdown's eternal crusade against "winebar house".

Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

also - wtf are "dad drums"? i think i like them

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

This shit has live sounding drums locked to a house grid.

oh man that is just THE WORST. Live drums and house music is SO DFA

never mention the fact that there is absolutely nothing resembling live drums on this at all

all these 'criticisms' make me want to like this even more than i already do

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 08:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

and yea it is weird how earnest posts about an understated album have inspired so much vitriol.

i feel like i can listen to something on hessle or swamp 81 and think to myself, "i have no idea where or why anyone would listen to this stuff" but that doesn't mean i'm not willing to accept that i might have overlooked smthg or be listening to it in the wrong context and maybe i should just let it slide and post about stuff i actually enjoy

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 08:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOL @ this sounding remotely like black leotard front. that would be AMAZING but unfortunately it is not true

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:42 AM Bookmark

yeah, really!

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 08:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is kind of cool. reminds me of kate wax, julia holter, emika and all the other chicks from the arty electro thread

cock chirea, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sascha Funke vs. Nina Kraviz
http://open.spotify.com/artist/1meuzXhsNqB8rtK4Cc2MUy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"vitriol" seems kind of hyperbolic

jimi's just offering a gentle "idgi"

the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

idgi it either but tim's comment about it sounding more or less like a poker flat album from the last 10 years kinda covers any other comments i could add to the thread

the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't hear even any vague similarities between nina kraviz, blondes, john talabot and dfa. also the only people who have heard of nina kraviz are huge dance heads, not indie people

lex pretend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

also the only people who have heard of nina kraviz are huge dance heads, not indie people

I played her for Rev in the outloud room one night, which I think was his first time hearing her. I'm neither a dance head or an indie people.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

neither/nor, rather.

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Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're head people.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

nina released records on dj jus-ed label, can't get realer house than that.

sisilafami, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's not house cos i like house", "it's not indie cos i hate indie"... jesus, state of some of you.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's not indie cos i hate indie"

who said this?

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

superfluous "not" there

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, gotcha

The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am frequently surprised by the lengths people will go to in order to categorise things together based on their own feelings of love or hate rather than, um, what the music sounds like.

Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.

lmao dude

art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

still gotta hear this album but i like what i've heard from nina kraviz. also she's hot. and hey is she dating ben klock??

she's def popular with teh dance heads.

art dealin' thru the west coast (tpp), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't get the "indie" thing or the dfa comparisons either. haha ok i just relistened to some kalabrese and i don't know what i was remembering because kalabrese is certainly not "jam packed" or maximalist, by and large. there is a lot of overlap with what nina kraviz is doing for sure. it's more interesting to me to figure out why they're different, though, and to my mind they are. damned if i can really explain it. i can also see the comparisons with poker flat but again i've been bored silly by most poker flat stuff i've heard and not this, which despite its surface-level boringness and songs which develop maybe 2mm from where they started still manages to keep me listening (some more than others, obv; i don't really like the ultra-leaden voice on "ghetto kraviz" for example). perhaps one point of distinction between kraviz and somebody like dani siciliano (or kalabrese) is the sense of cheapness to it, for lack of a better word. half thought-out. which is maybe what jimi was getting at. but me, i like cheap if it sounds like this!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am frequently surprised by the lengths people will go to in order to categorise things together based on their own feelings of love or hate rather than, um, what the music sounds like.

i feel like this has been the scourge of dance discussion here and beyond for a long, long time. not that there hasn't been plenty good discussion. really wish it would stop, there is this constant thing everything some people hate is labelled as a word they've already decided they hate and vice versa, regardless of the music.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh come on, makes perfect sense, this music sounds like shit, that other music sounds like shit, qed

the late great, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

that post was indie nonsense.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

only a soulless dance fan would say something like that

Number None, Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

on the essential mix...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h5gtt

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Loving it so far. Very much making me want to don a pair of shades and sway by a rooftop pool rather than being in the basement shop of a university selling Polo mints.

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink


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