Nina Kraviz - Nina Kraviz [2012]

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fwiw, the only track on this i'd actually want to hear (or play) out is "ghetto kraviz"

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i also just really like how loose and breathable her stuff is. as far as the album goes it's not a "major" album, it's casual, but with a very defined vision, which feels kind of rare in this protooled-within-an-inch-of-its-life world which shows every sign of worsening

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I hardly think that's a major issue in the genre context in which she's working.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe not, i have no idea!

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess the reason it occurs to me is that the SOUNDS she uses are very, very nice, pristine almost, but it's in service to loose and almost ramshackle songs, which is a neat combination

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

(though "songs" is maybe overstating what they are..)

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

There are a hell of a lot of dance music albums like that though. It's practically traditional at this point.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess i am just way out of it.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

No it's good news. If you like this kind of thing then there a lot of great albums for you to check out. Start with Kalabrese!

― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also I stand by my Dani Siciliano reference above.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love kalabrese! they/he seems more jam-packed and maximalist to me though. not skeletal and spare like this.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

some of those dance albums with pristine sounds and ramshackle songs ALSO have ramshackle voices, be warned (iirc i thought kalabrese was one of these)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh yes I would expect you to have some issues with Kalabrese, lex. Also Noze.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

yup nôze have always repelled me slightly apart from "remember love". just...disgusting vocals

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

there's also something just a little bit evil and twisted about nina kraviz that i'm responding to. like she is going to drag you down into her dark world if you let her. looseness + great sounds + evil = turkish delight for tracer hand

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

yea i think dani siciliano is a fair comparison, maybe luomo too. it's not mining any strikingly new territories but honestly it doesn't matter because it nails the vibe it's going for perfectly - and i don't get 'druggy blankness' at all. again, i can't imagine hearing this in a club, but maybe it codes that way in that setting.

i'm actually glad that it wasn't produced by someone like matthew herbert tho, it wouldn't have the same warmth. tbh i think siciliano, kalabrese and noze actually accomplish something a lot more twisted than this record. nina gets a little 'evil' as tracer mentioned but if you're looking for disjointed alien sex jamz you have come to the wrong place

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i meant psychologically twisted rather than anything specifically in the sonics

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

more of that indie tech house

2012 landfill indie house

Big up the ghost of DFA

Blondes/Talabot/Kraviz

Your time

― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

yea we've already talked about how none of those things have anything to do with dfa

lol @ 'landfill' in the context of three albums as they compare to the glut of post-dubstep blah (talk about BORING) put out in the first few months of 2012. and talabot might be a bit indie but don't you like sun araw and shit?

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.

― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

so what (it isn't, but so what anyway)

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

i agree with some of those qualifiers but still sorta fail to see how dfa has anything to do w/it (maybe ndf/benoit & sergio at a stretch)

plus, dfa is great! i love all of those qualifiers except "tech house", but i guess that term can be stretched to mean p much whatever you'd like

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

when i think 'tech house' i think of maetrik or smthg and then i want to fall asleep

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

I keep wondering why I have such an urge to post negatIve comments on this thread, but then I realise that's because I've listened to the incredibly mundane music linked in the youtubes. Come on, it's Beatport fodder super-clean quasi deep "t-shirt house" with a marketing angle. Lee Foss mentioned above is probably about right for the sort of music you'd have in the same set.

I don't want to be a hater, but I can't help myself with this one.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hope that wasn't too harsh :/ I'm a little dunk

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

would have never guessed this would be something so many people would take such a strong disliking to :/

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

still my favorite album so far this year tho all y'all can suck it ^_^

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Its some kinda turbo bland stealth tech house vibe washing over ealy 2012 like a brown turd fog.

― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Every time Jimi references DFA in these discussions his point loses a bit more credibility.

Surely the default negative comparison point for dark, smoky repetitive pre-and-post minimal techo-house is Poker Flat (though nb. I love loads and loads of Poker Flat).

And this does sound like an album that might have been released on Poker Flat literally at any time between 2001 and 2011.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

well dfa is the only indie house explosion I can remember I'm not that old.

shitty live-ish drums on some kinda techy disco house grid with some kinda deep house vibes.

+vaugly loose analouge synth work... its all there DFA is all over this shit.

depressing old man indie house

― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like DFA and I like this and this sounds nothing like DFA.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

And I don't see what this has anything to do with indie or live drums or disco house.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

or old men

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is just grid locked DFA Papa house.

DFA is THE indie dance label of ye olde times.

This shit has live sounding drums locked to a house grid.

+I keep seeing Nina/Blondes/Talabot as the only dance album on indie forums this year.

They're the dad house indie house tracks of the year so far.

― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

u make no sense

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Jimi, you tell me some albums from indie artists that have crossed over to dance forums so I can come vomit on them, plz.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

jimi, step your guilt by association game up, please

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Beach House

I don't mind a cross over.

It's just that this stuff is kinda shit/boring.

― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

jimi i love u but i don't hear anything the tiniest bit live-sounding about these drums, and it doesn't read as DFA-ish at all to me. i hear it as analog-ish straight-up house (and i don't have the dance music background to be able to really distinguish between different genres of house, but i want to say it sounds like 'classic' or 'regular' house, whether that means 'deep' or Detroit techno or whatever), and the vocals are the one thing giving it some identity and personality (and that's not a diss, necessarily).

― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Jimi would you like to borrow a shovel to save some time.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

jimi i love u but you're bringin me down

its all sampled kits clipped from dads drums and clicked to a grid

to make it sound generic in that dfa kinda way.

the early dfa comps went right into this sound: /