PAUL SIMON POLL RESULTS THREAD AND DISCUSSION

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speaking of the Live in Central Park thing, this has always bugged me: how could the city possibly have openly accepted money from drug dealers (per Simon's line from the stage re: "the guys passing around loose joints are donating half of their money to the city tonight")? isn't that, like, blatantly illegal? or is it just lol 70s NY

um, lol joek?

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it? Simon appears to be serious, he prefaces it with that "people who don't get recognition for doing good deeds" iirc

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

shakey

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

shakey

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's just such a weird thing to say - it goes beyond "lol weed! we all love weed right?" (which would not be an unusual sentiment for a performer to express from the stage) to this awkward "drug dealers are people too!"/civic minded thing. it's always stuck out to me as odd.

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

paul simon has what some might call a dry wit, Shakey.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

^

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't even imagine Rhymin' Simon being all like "HELLLO Manhattan! lol weed! We all love weed, right?"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

a radio-button poll might be a good indicator

if not, it'll just be a party of two poll again, Doc <3

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:52 PM Bookmark

hahahah sad but true

There was this one I guess Billy Joel: The Complete Hits Collection, disc 1

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

very surprised by the extent of preference for the solo paul simon vs. S&G from some of the most ardent posters itt. have always loved both, though my preference does tilt towards the latter due to childhood indoctrination. is this an age-related thing? do you have to be over 40 to have strong feelings abt S&G?

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, some dude put lots of S&G on his ballot.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

paul simon has what some might call a dry wit, Shakey.

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:56 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes for example how he's all seriousface in the "you can call me al" video

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

under 40 here

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't even imagine Rhymin' Simon being all like "HELLLO Manhattan! lol weed! We all love weed, right?"

okay irl lol

I admit my confusion may have been compounded as a child by asking my (very straightedge) parents what it meant and them giving me a very literal, face-value interpretation.

xp

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think that video was my first encounter with paul simon and i was enchanted. i thought he was the funniest ever.

xxp

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

aww Shakey
that's pretty cute

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would probably participate in a joel poll, but i don't know that he's got more than 5 songs i'd be super excited to vote for, if that

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I own every Simon album except the One Trick Pony soundtrack and YTO but have zero curiosity about the S&G catalog.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I'm surprised by the popularity of that Central Park record. Was it a big deal growing up? I know PBS played that thing for the next twenty years.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thing is that solo paul simon is better than simon & garfunkel.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

fiddlesticks

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

To me, "Born at the Right Time" is about having a conscience bringing a baby into the world ("The planet groans/Every time it registers another birth") balanced out by the actual beauty and miracle of an actual baby. There's never a right time to add another person to an overpopulated world, and never a wrong time, either. Plus, that great chorus and those descriptions like "I see them in the airport lounges upon their mother's breast/They follow me with open eyes, their uninvited guest"). Favorite version is the 1991Live in Central Park jam.

"Rene and Georgette" (big fan, but not on my ballot) works kinda like Randy Newman's "In Germany Before The War" (or Van Sant's Elephant as far as making tiny details resonate in the context of unspoken big historic events.

H&B the song will make the top 20 (not my #1), and I was surprised at "Train" placing low because to me that's the clear No. 2 on that album (but Rene trumped!).

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

my S&G bias is about being a casual fan more than anything else. i didn't know much beyond "Mrs. Robinson" and "You Can Call Me Al" until around college age probably and don't a ton beyond best-of stuff even know.

hypnagoonic rock (some dude), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

To me, "Born at the Right Time" is about having a conscience bringing a baby into the world ("The planet groans/Every time it registers another birth") balanced out by the actual beauty and miracle of an actual baby. There's never a right time to add another person to an overpopulated world, and never a wrong time, either. Plus, that great chorus and those descriptions like "I see them in the airport lounges upon their mother's breast/They follow me with open eyes, their uninvited guest").

otm otm otm

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

paul simon writes all the best songs about kids

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ yes

On another note I'm listening to the latest album again and am struck by how wondrous and surprising his guitar playing continues to be.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah so beautiful or so what is a gem. i perfunctorily threw a couple songs on my ballot low down but all of it sounds great to me.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

S&G is 25% of my ballot. Not by design -- I don't make much differentiation in my mind between S&G and solo Simon.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I voted my ringtone #1 in this poll. I think it will place, haha.

I voted for 3 S&G songs, but this poll would be more informative to me if there were fewer S&G songs placing, b/c those are songs that everybody knows & it doesn't seem there's lots more to be said about them, & anyway they're music for squares which kept me for years from listening to solo Simon too, & I've gotten over those dumb feelings now but I dunno, "Feeling Groovy" still makes me feel lame.

Euler, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah S&G were about 25% of my ballot

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

The S&G hate here is making me wish I didn't vote. Some serious bullshit being slung all over the place.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg i am kind of kidding! i don't know the s&g catalog very well; it is not as appealing to me as paul simon's solo catalog (almost nothing is); some s&g songs are wack.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

LOTSA HARMONIES UP IN THIS THING, HUH GUYS? *grin*

I wouldn't take it too hard.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

horseshoe's just kicking dirt <3

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

VG i very much appreciate your take on "Scarborough Fair" btw

horseshoe, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw yay! thanks!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hey! S&G hate needs to be balanced against the doe-eyed love that's causing them to pack these results.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

is the S&G hate just garfunk hate?! we should poll art after paul. dude has got some jams.

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Rene and Georgette" (big fan, but not on my ballot) works kinda like Randy Newman's "In Germany Before The War" (or Van Sant's Elephant as far as making tiny details resonate in the context of unspoken big historic events.

that makes sense, but i've always taken the title as a red herring. the song seems to have nothing directly to do with the artist, his wife or the war. in my mind, it's about a network of things: the mid-20th century immigrant experience in new york, city life itself, the beauty of ordinary things when you are young and they are new - and also age, nostalgia, remembrance, the way a past hidden away inside you can suddenly swell out unexpectedly to carry you away. to some extent, i think of it as paul simon's saccharine-free take on "when i'm 64": a sentimental but understated song about the shared things that sustain us as we age.

i like to think it's about a different rene and georgette magritte. people who happen to share only a name with that famous couple. and who have a dog named "after the war".

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah for me it's S&G Simon frowns, shit like "Dangling Conversation", his precious enunciation, the earnestness of "Silent Night", the fact that an hs english teacher played "Richard Cory" for us in class.

Euler, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp

Euler, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only solo Garfunkel I know is 'Bright Eyes'

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

we should poll art after paul. dude has got some jams.

lol Art's solo work is pretty dire imho. His album cover makes a great tryptich with similar covers for Leonard Cohen and Pete Townsend tho. The "sad balding men of the 70s" motif

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't even deal with bright eyes, too intense. that whole "Breakaway" album is pretty sweet imo. worth it if you find it for 75 cents in the used bin.

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bright Eyes makes me sad for all the bunny rabbits

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

paul simon's saccharine-free take on "when i'm 64": a sentimental but understated song about the shared things that sustain us as we age.

Totally - - - and thus a kind of bracket piece for "Old Friends," which was by a young guy imagining oldness, and here's a guy getting into middle age and working out what musical memory and nostalgia can actually mean to somebody who's stacked up some experiences.

like to think it's about a different rene and georgette magritte. people who happen to share only a name with that famous couple.

yup.

and who have a dog named "after the war".

lol!

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

COFFEE BREAK

"marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

cover connections!

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

*poor bunnies*
&

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

But Art was in this movie:

Which has amazing Go-Go performances from Trouble Funk and Chuck Brown.

Makes up for a myriad of sins.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink


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